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  4. # [00:07] <@davidb> MarcoZ, eeejay, tbsaunde i'm in a meeting until about 6:30
  5. # [00:08] <tbsaunde> davidb: ack
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  10. # [00:44] <@firebot> lsblakk@mozilla.com granted approval-mozilla-aurora for attachment 653003 on bug 781090.
  11. # [00:44] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=781090 nor, --, Firefox 17, hub, RESO FIXED, Firefox no longer responds to Spectacle's keyboard shortcuts to resize application windows
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  19. # [01:43] <@davidb> tbsaunde: I think #ateam are the folks to talk to about Talos.
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  32. # [03:46] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 784899 filed by jamie@nvaccess.org.
  33. # [03:46] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=784899 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Consider how to handle some uses of role="presentation" on focusable elements; e.g. new Google Group
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  49. # [04:53] <tbsaunde> surkov: so, for bug 766112 it looks like what's happeneing is we get a load complete on the document containing the iframe before the iframe is inserted into the document somehow
  50. # [04:53] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=766112 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Intermittent accessible/events/test_docload.xul | uncaught JS exception - TypeError: currentTabDocum
  51. # [04:54] <tbsaunde> I'm not sure how, if that is reasonable or what to do about it
  52. # [04:54] <tbsaunde> but I'm about to run off, but might be around in a bit
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  54. # [04:55] <@surkov> tbsaunde|afk: did we changed something about load complete order recently?
  55. # [04:56] <@surkov> I recall something but not sure
  56. # [04:56] <@surkov> or we had discussion
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  84. # [11:52] <@firebot> scoobidiver@netcourrier.com cancelled status-firefox17 on bug 781090.
  85. # [11:52] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=781090 nor, --, Firefox 17, hub, RESO FIXED, Firefox no longer responds to Spectacle's keyboard shortcuts to resize application windows
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  97. # [13:23] <mib_e4mz6g> hii guys
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  99. # [13:26] <mib_e4mz6g> what does eisPrimaryForNode() check ?
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  106. # [14:23] <scott_gonzalez> Does anyone know why the decision was made for TAB to behave the same as DOWN when suggestions are shown in the Awesome Bar?
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  108. # [14:24] <scott_gonzalez> http://www.w3.org/TR/wai-aria-practices/#autocomplete has no mention of behavior for TAB, so I assume it's up to the author to decide.
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  124. # [15:37] <@firebot> scoobidiver@netcourrier.com changed the Component on bug 785047 from Untriaged to Disability Access APIs.
  125. # [15:37] <@firebot> scoobidiver@netcourrier.com changed the Product on bug 785047 from Firefox to Core.
  126. # [15:37] <@firebot> scoobidiver@netcourrier.com changed the Status on bug 785047 from UNCONFIRMED to NEW.
  127. # [15:37] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=785047 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Firefox introduced a regression introduced in 769721 that breaks blind and low vision assistive tech
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  129. # [15:45] <eeejay> davidb, git log --graph --pretty=oneline --abbrev-commit --decorate
  130. # [15:47] <eeejay> davidb, bug 783077
  131. # [15:47] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=783077 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Add AccessFu to shell.js
  132. # [16:00] <@davidb> tbsaunde: wanna do the desk thing?
  133. # [16:01] <tbsaunde> davidb: sure
  134. # [16:03] <@firebot> hub@mozilla.com set status-firefox16 to fixed on bug 781090.
  135. # [16:03] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=781090 nor, --, Firefox 17, hub, RESO FIXED, Firefox no longer responds to Spectacle's keyboard shortcuts to resize application windows
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  147. # [17:00] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org requested review from dbolter@mozilla.com for attachment 654615 on bug 785076.
  148. # [17:00] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=785076 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [AccessFu] Work around timestamp issue in emulated touch events.
  149. # [17:09] <scott_gonzalez> Does anyone know why the decision was made for TAB to behave the same as DOWN when suggestions are shown in the Awesome Bar?
  150. # [17:10] <@davidb> not off hand - so many discussions - so many days
  151. # [17:11] <scott_gonzalez> We're currently selecting the currently highlghted item in jQuery UI.
  152. # [17:11] <scott_gonzalez> But we've been basing everything on the Awesome Bar, so this is something we're going to change.
  153. # [17:11] <scott_gonzalez> But actually don't match Firefox or Chrome right now :-/
  154. # [17:12] <scott_gonzalez> I was kind of surprised to notice that http://www.w3.org/TR/wai-aria-practices/#autocomplete doesn't event mention TAB.
  155. # [17:12] <scott_gonzalez> s/event/even/
  156. # [17:13] <scott_gonzalez> davidb: Do you remember if discussions were on a public mailing list?
  157. # [17:14] <@davidb> i think in a bug
  158. # [17:14] <@davidb> marcoz: do you recall? ^
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  160. # [17:18] <scott_gonzalez> Ugh, "location bar" and "tab" are not a good combination to be searching with.
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  162. # [17:23] <@davidb> awesome bar
  163. # [17:24] <scott_gonzalez> Yeah, that doesn't make the results any better. They're all related to actual browser tabs :-P
  164. # [17:26] <@firebot> dbolter@mozilla.com granted review for attachment 654615 on bug 785076.
  165. # [17:26] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=785076 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [AccessFu] Work around timestamp issue in emulated touch events.
  166. # [17:43] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org changed the Assignee on bug 785076 from nobody@mozilla.org to eitan@monotonous.org.
  167. # [17:44] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=785076 nor, --, ---, eitan, NEW, [AccessFu] Work around timestamp issue in emulated touch events.
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  184. # [20:04] <marcoz> scott_gonzalez: davidb: I think it was bug 407359.
  185. # [20:04] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=407359 maj, P2, mozilla1.9beta3, aaronlev, VERI FIXED, Popups on main screen have issues
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  187. # [20:13] <scott_gonzalez> marcoz: That seems to be about what happens when you tab out of the awesome bar, as opposed to what happens when you press tab while the suggestions are visible.
  188. # [20:16] <marcoz> scott_gonzalez: I *think* it's all intertwined really.
  189. # [20:17] <marcoz> scott_gonzalez: But you are welcome to dig in that history even further, this is the big accessibility and keyboard related bug I remember.
  190. # [20:18] <@davidb> tbsaunde: when do we want to propose pico in gone?
  191. # [20:18] <@davidb> oops tbsaunde/ee
  192. # [20:18] <scott_gonzalez> Is there a general rule that Mozilla follows that tab should not leave the current widget?
  193. # [20:18] <@davidb> eeejay
  194. # [20:18] <eeejay> davidb, yo
  195. # [20:18] <scott_gonzalez> That's the behavior that was surprising.
  196. # [20:18] <@davidb> sigh (autocrrect)
  197. # [20:18] <@davidb> gonk
  198. # [20:19] <@hub> davidb: I disable autocorrect on desktop. always
  199. # [20:19] <@hub> i'm not as good typist, but autocorrect is worst
  200. # [20:21] <@davidb> yeah
  201. # [20:30] <tbsaunde> autocorrecting irc client O.O
  202. # [20:30] <marcoz> scott_gonzalez: No, there is no such general rule. The issue here may be that we want to make sure something is actually selected or that escape is being pressed on purpose to indicate nothing is to be selected. I don't remember the history, TBH, and we haven't touched that behavior in almost five years.
  203. # [20:32] <scott_gonzalez> Ok, I think this will be the first place that we deviate from the Awesome Bar behavior then.
  204. # [20:33] <scott_gonzalez> Normal autocomplete in a form field doesn't follow that behavior, so I think we're good.
  205. # [20:33] <scott_gonzalez> Thanks.
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  216. # [21:31] <@davidb> tbsaunde: Preferences->Applications->Portable Document Format
  217. # [21:39] <@davidb> sdfsd
  218. # [21:39] <@davidb> sorry
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  220. # [21:39] <tbsaunde> davidb: sdfsd?
  221. # [21:39] <tbsaunde> also I'm about to run out
  222. # [21:40] <@davidb> tbsaunde: ah right your meetup!
  223. # [21:40] <@davidb> tbsaunde: i could come with you
  224. # [21:40] <tbsaunde> davidb: no need
  225. # [21:40] <@davidb> ok, see you when you get back
  226. # [21:47] <satdav> hub, davidb was wondering if we can arrange a big global assibility meeting once a month for all accessibility to get together
  227. # [21:47] <satdav> marcoz, ^
  228. # [21:47] <icaaq> how about a11y on the x-tags, is there any documentation on that?
  229. # [21:47] <@davidb> icaaq: some discussion happening in dev-gaia
  230. # [21:48] <@davidb> satdav: i'm really not excited about more meetings
  231. # [21:48] <satdav> davidb, we can do a irc meeting
  232. # [21:48] <satdav> if its better
  233. # [21:48] <@davidb> satdav: meetings should have a goal, and that goal should be worth the time. Do you have an elevator pitch?
  234. # [21:49] <icaaq> davidb: dev-gaia irc channel?
  235. # [21:49] <@davidb> icaaq: mailing list
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  237. # [21:49] <icaaq> ah, ok
  238. # [21:50] <satdav> well davidb it was like for everyoneto get together to talk about progess of project and how we are doing to support the latest versions of firefox and thunderbird
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  241. # [21:51] <@davidb> satdav: i don't see the need (beyond the meetings and other communication we already have)
  242. # [21:52] <satdav> OK
  243. # [21:52] <@davidb> satdav: i thought you were focusing on websites?
  244. # [21:53] <satdav> yes i am but also willing to beta test the accessibility on stable firefox and thunderbird
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  250. # [21:57] <@davidb> satdav: great. filing bugs and helping verify fixes are worth so much more than arranging meetings IMO.
  251. # [21:57] <@davidb> it really helps our users
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  253. # [22:12] <@eeejay> davidb, it talks. shipit!
  254. # [22:13] <@hub> shipit !
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  256. # [22:19] <satdav> davidb, is their docs on how to test for accessibility
  257. # [22:19] <satdav> as i dont use a screen reader or that
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  260. # [22:28] <@marcoz> satdav: There is more to accessibility than just screen readers. You can test for high contrast bugs, color inversion bugs, zooming stuff, visual keyboard focus bugs etc. As I already told you once.
  261. # [22:29] <satdav> is their a list of tracking bugs
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  263. # [22:31] <fxa90id> hi
  264. # [22:31] <satdav> hi fxa90id
  265. # [22:31] <fxa90id> hi satdav :-)
  266. # [22:32] <fxa90id> who're you satdav ? First time see you here
  267. # [22:34] <satdav> I have been on irc for a while i do the website side of stuff
  268. # [22:35] <fxa90id> oh nice :-)
  269. # [22:35] <fxa90id> Im working on websites too ;p
  270. # [22:36] <satdav> fxa90id, pm me if you want
  271. # [22:36] <fxa90id> ok :)
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  276. # [22:52] <fxa90id> davidb, can I pick 722417 ?
  277. # [22:52] <fxa90id> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=722417
  278. # [22:52] <@firebot> Bug 722417 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Expose intended visibility.
  279. # [22:53] <@davidb> fxa90id: sure
  280. # [22:53] <@firebot> michaljev@o2.pl changed the Assignee on bug 722417 from nobody@mozilla.org to michaljev@o2.pl.
  281. # [22:53] <@firebot> michaljev@o2.pl changed the Status on bug 722417 from NEW to ASSIGNED.
  282. # [22:55] <fxa90id> gonna pick this too https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=723847
  283. # [22:55] <@firebot> Bug 723847 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Use VisibilityState() instead of generic State()
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  287. # [23:02] <fxa90id> oh
  288. # [23:02] <fxa90id> thats bad
  289. # [23:09] <fxa90id> davidb, can you write me what should I do in 722417 ?
  290. # [23:09] <fxa90id> Im going sleep :)
  291. # [23:09] <fxa90id> ttyl
  292. # [23:09] <@davidb> heh
  293. # [23:09] <@davidb> i can get you started yeah
  294. # [23:09] <fxa90id> k
  295. # [23:09] <fxa90id> thanks :)
  296. # [23:09] <@davidb> good night :)
  297. # [23:09] <fxa90id> you too ;p
  298. # [23:10] <fxa90id> bye bye
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  301. # [23:22] <@davidb> tbsaunde: bug 785226
  302. # [23:22] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=785226 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, warning spam: accessible/src/base/RoleMap.h:10:1: warning: comparison between 'enum mozilla::a11y::r
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  304. # [23:24] <@firebot> trev.saunders@gmail.com changed the Component on bug 785226 from General to Disability Access APIs.
  305. # [23:25] <@firebot> trev.saunders@gmail.com changed the Assignee on bug 785226 from nobody@mozilla.org to nfroyd@mozilla.com.
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  307. # [23:31] <@firebot> trev.saunders@gmail.com cancelled review?(trev.saunders@gmail .com) for attachment 654787 on bug 785226.
  308. # [23:50] <@firebot> trev.saunders@gmail.com cancelled review?(trev.saunders@gmail .com) for attachment 654332 on bug 739130.
  309. # [23:50] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=739130 nor, --, ---, michaljev, NEW, make GetDocumentNode() inline on nsDocAccessible
  310. # Session Close: Fri Aug 24 00:00:00 2012

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