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  28. # [03:36] <@tbsaunde> surkov: hi
  29. # [03:36] <@surkov> hi, tbsaunde
  30. # [03:38] <@tbsaunde> surkov: how goes?
  31. # [03:42] <@surkov> tbsaunde: it's ok
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  34. # [04:00] <@tbsaunde> surkov: I was thinking about converting nsIAccessibleTableCell methods to TableCellAAccessible earlier, and realized GetTable / Table() is a little interesting
  35. # [04:01] <@surkov> tbsaunde: what's up with them?
  36. # [04:01] <@tbsaunde> its sort of nice for Table() to return a TableAccessible* which is what most callers want
  37. # [04:01] <@tbsaunde> but getting from a TableAccessible* to a nsIAccessibleTable* is not trivial
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  39. # [04:02] <@surkov> I assume static_cast doesn't work?
  40. # [04:02] <@tbsaunde> in particular atm I think you just can't do it
  41. # [04:02] <@tbsaunde> no, it doesn't
  42. # [04:02] <@tbsaunde> since you need to down cast to the concrete type
  43. # [04:03] <@tbsaunde> which there are multiple of
  44. # [04:03] <@tbsaunde> though templating xpcAccessibleTableCell on the concrete type works and gets around
  45. # [04:05] <@tbsaunde> alternatively you can add a virtual AsnsIAccessibletable() to TableAccessible
  46. # [04:05] <@tbsaunde> or have Table() return Accessible*
  47. # [04:05] <@tbsaunde> or make TableAccessible inherit nsISupports
  48. # [04:06] <@tbsaunde> or maybe something else I haven't thought of yet
  49. # [04:07] <@tbsaunde> surkov: ^
  50. # [04:08] <@surkov> tbsaunde: would it be reasonable to add AsAccessible to table interfaces?
  51. # [04:26] <@tbsaunde> surkov: hm, maybe not sure when else you'd need it though
  52. # [04:26] <@tbsaunde> also would mean two steps to get between them, though I'm not sure it needs to be blazing fast
  53. # [04:26] <@surkov> tbsaunde: if we have one way conversion then we could have conversion to another way
  54. # [04:28] <@tbsaunde> surkov: your saying you think it makes sense to be able to convert both ways just for symetry?
  55. # [04:30] <@surkov> tbsaunde: yes
  56. # [04:39] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com changed the Resolution on bug 780888 from --- to WONTFIX.
  57. # [04:39] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 780888 from NEW to RESOLVED.
  58. # [04:39] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=780888 nor, --, ---, nobody, RESO WONTFIX, Actually prune the aria-hidden tree
  59. # [04:39] <@tbsaunde> surkov: ok
  60. # [04:45] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 786143 filed by surkov.alexander@gmail.com.
  61. # [04:45] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=786143 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, inherit aria-hidden through subtree
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  79. # [07:37] <drexler> surkov: there's a bit of code i'm unsure of: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/accessible/src/msaa/nsAccessNodeWrap.cpp#136
  80. # [07:38] <@surkov> drexler: what about it?
  81. # [07:38] <drexler> i've checked it several times, how does it ApplicationAccessible have a QueryNativeInterface method?
  82. # [07:39] <@surkov> drexler: I think it's inherited from AccessNodeWrap
  83. # [07:44] <drexler> probably inheriting it somewhere..but i doubt it's AccessNodeWrap.
  84. # [07:44] * drexler looks further
  85. # [07:46] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 786163 filed by jamie@nvaccess.org.
  86. # [07:46] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=786163 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Alt and title should always take precedence as image button label
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  88. # [07:59] <@tbsaunde> drexler: no, I'm pretty sure its because nsAccessNodeWrap implements nsIWinAccessNode
  89. # [07:59] <@tbsaunde> (which should die btw)
  90. # [08:02] <drexler> back on the ISimpleDOMNode patch. looks like it but still cant see the exact relationship where an ApplicationAccessible is a nsAccessNode.
  91. # [08:03] <@tbsaunde> drexler: ApplicationAccessibleWrap -> ApplicationAccessible -> AccessibleWrap -> Accessible -> nsAccessNodeWrap -> nsAccessNode
  92. # [08:03] <drexler> killed nsIWinAccessNode and that's the current nasty 'side-effect'
  93. # [08:04] <@tbsaunde> drexler: no, nsIWinAccessNode is still around
  94. # [08:04] <@tbsaunde> its not used much, but there is still a few uses :/
  95. # [08:05] <drexler> oh drat! forgot about the *Wraps. thx :)
  96. # [08:07] <@tbsaunde> drexler: np, thx for getting back ot that
  97. # [08:08] <drexler> had to finish the llvmpipe patch in #gfx midweek.
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  115. # [10:57] <@firebot> marco.zehe@googlemail.com set status-firefox17 to unaffected on bug 777752.
  116. # [10:57] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=777752 nor, --, ---, eitan, RESO FIXED, [AccessFu] Disable EBT in Firefox 16 for Jelly Bean
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  155. # [14:53] <@davidb> heyo
  156. # [14:53] <@davidb> tbsaunde: sleep well?
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  159. # [15:24] <@marcoz> Hi davidb, tbsaunde!
  160. # [15:24] <@davidb> hi hi
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  165. # [15:40] <@marcoz> OK, bug 785510 didn't cause any regressions. Phew.
  166. # [15:41] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=785510 nor, --, mozilla17, eitan, RESO FIXED, [AccessFu] only instantiate a11y engine on AccessFu._enable()
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  169. # [16:02] <@marcoz> davidb: Might want to jump in on the discussion on #developers with topal...
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  172. # [16:12] <@marcoz> davidb: 1:1? Or have you had enough of me from last week? *ggg*
  173. # [16:13] <@davidb> MarcoZ: heheh
  174. # [16:13] <@davidb> up to you
  175. # [16:13] <@davidb> unfortunately i'm on hold (on the phone) and i really don't want to hang this one up
  176. # [16:14] <@davidb> MarcoZ: let's talk later this week?
  177. # [16:15] <@marcoz> davidb: Perfect! :)
  178. # [16:15] <@davidb> groovy
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  181. # [16:46] <@davidb> MarcoZ: can you ask Nolan if he crashed and maybe cross check the id?
  182. # [16:47] <@davidb> maybe cc him on bug if he has bmo account
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  184. # [16:53] * @davidb is finally off the phone
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  188. # [17:05] <@davidb> AleksandarS: I hope to respond to you later this week ok?
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  190. # [17:07] <AleksandarS> davidb no pb , when you have time read it then , as I said it's not urgent :)
  191. # [17:07] <@davidb> i did read it - but i need to think :)
  192. # [17:07] <AleksandarS> ok np :)
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  194. # [17:14] <@marcoz> davidb: I'll leave communication to eeejay since he has been in contact with Nolan.
  195. # [17:15] <@davidb> sure
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  202. # [18:06] <@davidb> MarcoZ: I PM'ed you
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  205. # [18:13] <@marcoz> A version with first Talkback support is on the official Google Play store! As a release, not as a beta! \-o-/
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  208. # [18:16] <drexler> is there an alternative to JAWS for testing apart from NVDA?
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  211. # [18:17] <@davidb> drexler: specific to windows?
  212. # [18:17] <@davidb> MarcoZ: hurrah!
  213. # [18:17] <drexler> davidb: yes.
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  215. # [18:18] <@davidb> drexler: i usually just go with nvda
  216. # [18:19] <@davidb> drexler: you can use the dom inspector add-on to inspect the a11y tree
  217. # [18:20] <drexler> oh, ok.
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  223. # [18:54] <@davidb> MarcoZ: are you still time shifted? :)
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  230. # [19:07] <@marcoz> davidb: Sort of, but in a weird way. And Hexe, too. The times when she indicates that she needs to be taken out are totally off right now as well. O_O
  231. # [19:07] <@marcoz> davidb: I usually need a week to fully get back in order when I come from the north American continent back to Europe.
  232. # [19:10] <@marcoz> Hi eeejay!
  233. # [19:10] <eeejay> marcoz, yo yo
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  236. # [19:13] <@marcoz> eeejay: Regarding bug 768240, in which condition could view be NULL? And why just now, not earlier? Hmmm..
  237. # [19:14] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=768240 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Unified Search: Favor solved forum threads
  238. # [19:14] <@marcoz> Umm, bug 786340.
  239. # [19:14] <eeejay> marcoz, i don't know enough about the LayerView lifecycle. so it might be worth checking for that. although without str we can't be certain
  240. # [19:14] * @marcoz nods.
  241. # [19:15] <@marcoz> Like I said, I didn't see this crash.
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  245. # [20:06] <@davidb> hub, eeejay, tbsaunde shall we shout out ff os tts progress at platform meeting?
  246. # [20:07] <eeejay> davidb, cautious progress
  247. # [20:07] <@davidb> heh
  248. # [20:07] * eeejay is taking it apart and putting it back together
  249. # [20:07] <@hub> oh yeah, platform meeting
  250. # [20:08] <@davidb> eeejay: ok maybe i won't say anything yet
  251. # [20:10] <@hub> it is in WarpCore, isn't it?
  252. # [20:10] <@davidb> yes
  253. # [20:10] <@hub> just making sure I didn't join the wrong gathering
  254. # [20:10] <@davidb> heh
  255. # [20:10] <@davidb> hub: i am facemuted
  256. # [20:11] <@davidb> eeejay: sanity check https://wiki.mozilla.org/Platform/2012-08-28#Accessibility
  257. # [20:11] <@hub> davidb: me too
  258. # [20:11] <@hub> davidb: laptop is closed, so no camera
  259. # [20:11] <eeejay> davidb, looks good
  260. # [20:12] <@davidb> ok. ok. thanks.
  261. # [20:12] <@davidb> hub: i just lost audio etc
  262. # [20:12] <@hub> davidb: still good here
  263. # [20:13] <@davidb> oh am i supposed to upgrade the client?
  264. # [20:13] <@hub> not yet
  265. # [20:13] <@hub> thursday
  266. # [20:13] <@hub> it would block you otherwise
  267. # [20:13] <@hub> there is no opt out
  268. # [20:13] <@davidb> ok
  269. # [20:14] <@davidb> hmm tried again - total fail
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  277. # [21:07] <@tbsaunde> davidb: hey, sleept fine though I went to bed really late and got up late
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  288. # [22:09] <@davidb> eeejay, hub, tbsaunde let's do the meeting tomorrow ok?
  289. # [22:09] <eeejay> sure
  290. # [22:10] <@davidb> tbsaunde: i'll in in the office tomorrow FWIW
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  294. # [22:31] <@davidb> i wonder how big the android braille use case is
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  298. # [22:39] <@hub> davidb: ok,
  299. # [22:39] <@hub> looks like Sina had issues activating talkback on startup on the Nexus 7
  300. # [22:39] <@davidb> bug filed?
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  302. # [22:41] <@hub> davidb: it is an android matter
  303. # [22:41] <@hub> not ours
  304. # [22:42] <@hub> marco had the same
  305. # [22:45] <@davidb> ok
  306. # [22:45] <@davidb> hopefully bug filed there
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