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  24. # [03:18] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com changed the Assignee on bug 772782 from surkov.alexander@gmail.com to nobody@mozilla.org.
  25. # [03:18] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=772782 cri, --, ---, nobody, NEW, crash in DocAccessible::Shutdown @ NotificationController::Shutdown
  26. # [03:41] <@firebot> andrew.quartey@gmail.com requested review from surkov.alexander@gm ail.com for attachment 656701 on bug 772782.
  27. # [03:41] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=772782 cri, --, ---, nobody, NEW, crash in DocAccessible::Shutdown @ NotificationController::Shutdown
  28. # [03:44] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com granted review for attachment 656701 on bug 772782.
  29. # [03:44] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com changed the Assignee on bug 772782 from nobody@mozilla.org to andrew.quartey@gmail.com.
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  31. # [03:46] <drexler> surkov: i'll land it straightaway.
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  34. # [03:59] <@surkov> drexler: thank you
  35. # [04:03] <@firebot> andrew.quartey@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 772782 from NEW to ASSIGNED.
  36. # [04:03] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=772782 cri, --, ---, andrew.quartey, NEW, crash in DocAccessible::Shutdown @ NotificationController::Shutdown
  37. # [04:06] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 786901 filed by surkov.alexander@gmail.com.
  38. # [04:06] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=786901 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, cache misspelled text attribute offsets
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  40. # [04:24] <@tbsaunde> surkov: are you sure we actually need to cache the offsets? I seem to remember the code that gets them currently not being particularly effecient, so just making it less dumb might be fine
  41. # [04:25] <@surkov> tbsaunde: if we can do without caching than it's great. Do you have ideas how we can improve GetRenderedText?
  42. # [04:25] <@surkov> since it's a bottleneck
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  46. # [04:31] <@tbsaunde> surkov: not off hand, but I don't remember it well
  47. # [04:31] <@tbsaunde> surkov: I was thinking more about the stuff at the very bottom of HyperTextAccessible.cp I forget what method it is
  48. # [04:31] <@surkov> tbsaunde: anyway, the idea of rendered text is to traverse the whole text and it seems it's a problem
  49. # [04:32] <@tbsaunde> I just remember it being one of the remaining things there using nsIDOMNode
  50. # [04:32] <@tbsaunde> surkov: on the other hand I did want to talk to you about the text interface stuff at some point soon
  51. # [04:33] <@surkov> yep, we should do something about that
  52. # [04:33] <@surkov> but I didn't dig into the problem
  53. # [04:34] <@surkov> tbsaunde: about text attrributes: I think it might be worth to cache text attributes in general since they seems to be slow and drop the cached values when tree mutates
  54. # [04:34] <@surkov> similar stuffs like we do for group position
  55. # [04:35] <@tbsaunde> surkov: maybe
  56. # [04:35] <@surkov> yep
  57. # [04:35] <@tbsaunde> but don't we have to drop or mutate them for every css change?
  58. # [04:35] <@surkov> it's worth to consider at least
  59. # [04:36] <@tbsaunde> true
  60. # [04:36] <@surkov> tbsaunde: yes, drop them
  61. # [04:36] <@surkov> if we can drop them fast then it makes sense
  62. # [04:36] <@tbsaunde> we also probably want to store each attribute and its range so then we can compute the attributes at each point
  63. # [04:37] <@surkov> tbsaunde: that was idea
  64. # [04:37] <@tbsaunde> well, I said mutate since you don't have to rebuild the cache
  65. # [04:37] <@surkov> I'm not sure about mutate because if nobody needs them then why would you need to update the cache
  66. # [04:38] <@tbsaunde> surkov: I not sure I follow, if nobody needs them then why do you cache them in the first place
  67. # [04:39] <@surkov> tbsaunde: cache them when somebody asked
  68. # [04:39] <@surkov> if nobody requested then do nothing
  69. # [04:39] <@tbsaunde> surkov: sure, so its an optimization thing right?
  70. # [04:40] <@surkov> yes
  71. # [04:40] <@tbsaunde> if nobody asks for them again then updating the cache you loose, but if someone does then you win
  72. # [04:40] <@surkov> the problem is how to keep cache, I don't want to spend a lot of memory if nobody needs it :)
  73. # [04:40] <@surkov> tbsaunde: true, how would we know though
  74. # [04:40] <@tbsaunde> yeah, and I'm not really sure what we can listen for too drop it
  75. # [04:41] <@tbsaunde> you don't, you just get to guess which is more effecient over all ;)
  76. # [04:41] <@tbsaunde> same sort of thing as the tree
  77. # [04:41] <@surkov> the idea was that most of attributes seems to be unchanged when the user interacts with content, so we don't need to calculate them everytime
  78. # [04:42] <@tbsaunde> probably true
  79. # [04:43] <@tbsaunde> surkov: didn't you want to cache the text itself? it seems that might need more memory than attributes
  80. # [04:44] <@surkov> tbsaunde: we cache text itself already for text leafs
  81. # [04:44] <@surkov> do you mean something else?
  82. # [04:44] <@tbsaunde> surkov: true, but I thought at some point we talked about only operating on cached text
  83. # [04:44] <@surkov> I'd like it
  84. # [04:45] <@surkov> it would simplify and make things much faster
  85. # [04:45] <@surkov> since we operate on strings
  86. # [04:47] <@tbsaunde> surkov: true
  87. # [04:47] <@tbsaunde> atleast for simplicity
  88. # [04:47] <@tbsaunde> I'm not completely sure if it would make it more complicated because of needing to watch for stuff to update the cached text
  89. # [04:48] <@tbsaunde> if we did that we should probably also cache attributes so they stay in sync
  90. # [04:48] <@surkov> tbsaunde: one problem of cached text is get text methods should be in sync with user text navigation
  91. # [04:50] <@tbsaunde> surkov: not sure what you mean by user navigation
  92. # [04:50] <@tbsaunde> but I'd think if we update it every reflow it changes then we should match what is shown
  93. # [04:50] <@tbsaunde> and presumably what is shown matches what you can move around in
  94. # [04:51] <@surkov> if you press ctrl+right arrow then you move to next word, our method should return the same offset. It might be not trivial
  95. # [04:51] <@surkov> we need to be closer to frame tree I guess for that
  96. # [04:52] <@surkov> I guess they might practice the different logic rather than simple frame tree navigation
  97. # [04:52] <@surkov> all I want to say it might not so easy
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  133. # [11:27] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com changed the Assignee on bug 776912 from nobody@mozilla.org to jmathies@mozilla.com.
  134. # [11:28] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=776912 nor, --, mozilla17, jmathies, RESO FIXED, DocAccessibleWrap nullptr related build error with vc11
  135. # [11:28] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com changed the Assignee on bug 765252 from nobody@mozilla.org to trev.saunders@gmail.com.
  136. # [11:28] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=765252 cri, --, mozilla17, trev.saunders, RESO FIXED, crash in nsCaretAccessible::RemoveDocSelectionListener
  137. # [11:29] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com changed the Assignee on bug 778569 from nobody@mozilla.org to jmathies@mozilla.com.
  138. # [11:29] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=778569 nor, --, mozilla17, jmathies, RESO FIXED, Add uiautomationcore to accessibility client detection
  139. # [11:29] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com changed the Assignee on bug 783072 from nobody@mozilla.org to eitan@monotonous.org.
  140. # [11:29] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=783072 nor, --, mozilla17, eitan, RESO FIXED, [AccessFu] Support gesture scrolling and pages
  141. # [11:29] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com changed the Assignee on bug 779386 from nobody@mozilla.org to dzbarsky@gmail.com.
  142. # [11:29] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=779386 nor, --, mozilla17, dzbarsky, RESO FIXED, Clean up some includes in a11y
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  152. # [12:30] <@firebot> ravicat2013@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 767755 from ASSIGNED to NEW.
  153. # [12:30] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=767755 nor, --, ---, ravicat2013, NEW, Re-implement IsPrimaryForNode() using an Accessible::mFlags bit
  154. # [12:31] <@firebot> ravicat2013@gmail.com changed the Assignee on bug 767755 from ravicat2013@gmail.com to nobody@mozilla.org.
  155. # [13:00] <@firebot> bmo@edmorley.co.uk changed the Resolution on bug 772782 from --- to FIXED.
  156. # [13:01] <@firebot> bmo@edmorley.co.uk changed the Status on bug 772782 from ASSIGNED to RESOLVED.
  157. # [13:01] <@firebot> bmo@edmorley.co.uk changed the Target Milestone on bug 772782 from --- to mozilla18.
  158. # [13:01] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=772782 cri, --, mozilla18, andrew.quartey, RESO FIXED, crash in DocAccessible::Shutdown @ NotificationController::Shutdown
  159. # [13:03] <@firebot> bmo@edmorley.co.uk changed the Resolution on bug 767860 from --- to FIXED.
  160. # [13:03] <@firebot> bmo@edmorley.co.uk changed the Status on bug 767860 from NEW to RESOLVED.
  161. # [13:03] <@firebot> bmo@edmorley.co.uk changed the Target Milestone on bug 767860 from --- to mozilla18.
  162. # [13:03] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=767860 nor, --, mozilla18, trev.saunders, RESO FIXED, stop using nsIDOMHTMLInputElement in a11y
  163. # [13:04] <@firebot> bmo@edmorley.co.uk changed the Resolution on bug 767843 from --- to FIXED.
  164. # [13:04] <@firebot> bmo@edmorley.co.uk changed the Status on bug 767843 from NEW to RESOLVED.
  165. # [13:04] <@firebot> bmo@edmorley.co.uk changed the Target Milestone on bug 767843 from --- to mozilla18.
  166. # [13:04] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=767843 nor, --, mozilla18, trev.saunders, RESO FIXED, stop using nsIDOMHTMLOptionElement in a11y
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  221. # [18:11] <clown> Stevef: according to the UAIG, browsers (I summarize) should fire a system alert event for role=alertdialog
  222. # [18:11] <clown> http://www.w3.org/TR/wai-aria-implementation/#mapping_role_table
  223. # [18:12] <clown> there is an associate note that says browsers are not required to fire the alert event.
  224. # [18:12] <clown> http://www.w3.org/TR/wai-aria-implementation/#ftn.note2
  225. # [18:13] <clown> so, FF should fire an alert. Dunno if it actually does...
  226. # [18:13] * clown just realizes that Stevef has left the building. d'oh.
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  238. # [19:21] <@eeejay> bah bugzilla down
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  250. # [21:33] <fxa90id> NOO
  251. # [21:34] <fxa90id> why bugzilla is down :( ?
  252. # [21:51] <@hub> even the best of us needs to rest
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