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  7. # [00:25] <@firebot> trev.saunders@gmail.com granted review for attachment 658398 on bug 507555.
  8. # [00:25] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=507555 nor, --, ---, surkov.alexander, ASSI, wrong accessible is created for HTML:li with float and "display: inline" style
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  17. # [02:05] <@firebot> jruderman@gmail.com changed the Resolution on bug 766471 from --- to WORKSFORME.
  18. # [02:05] <@firebot> jruderman@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 766471 from NEW to RESOLVED.
  19. # [02:05] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=766471 cri, --, ---, nobody, RESO WORKSFORME, "ASSERTION: Wrong offset of the DOM point!" and crash in nsAccUtils::GetTextAccessibleFromSelection
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  38. # [04:53] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com changed the Resolution on bug 761102 from --- to FIXED.
  39. # [04:53] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 761102 from ASSIGNED to RESOLVED.
  40. # [04:53] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=761102 nor, --, mozilla18, surkov.alexander, RESO FIXED, focus may be missed when ARIA active-descendant is changed on active composite widget
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  50. # [08:14] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com granted in-testsuite on bug 507555.
  51. # [08:14] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 507555 from --- to mozilla18.
  52. # [08:14] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=507555 nor, --, mozilla18, surkov.alexander, ASSI, wrong accessible is created for HTML:li with float and "display: inline" style
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  57. # [09:47] <@marcoz> Good morning!
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  70. # [15:10] <@davidb> heyo
  71. # [15:16] <@marcoz> Hi davidb!
  72. # [15:17] <@davidb> hi MarcoZ!
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  74. # [15:18] <@marcoz> davidb: Do you think we really need the granularity surkov suggested in his mail w.r.t the guide for web dev? Not all items are applicable for every web site scenario, and I think all the items are important enough to not neglect them.
  75. # [15:19] <@davidb> I'm unsure. I think the suggestion is reasonable but maybe just adds noise.
  76. # [15:19] <@davidb> I'd stick with simple.
  77. # [15:19] <@marcoz> That's my thinking, too.
  78. # [15:20] <@marcoz> Why don't we show this to topal and see what he thinks? (but we might hold off until after MozCamp, which starts today.)
  79. # [15:21] <@davidb> MarcoZ: why to pal?
  80. # [15:21] <@davidb> topal
  81. # [15:22] <@marcoz> davidb: he was the one asking me about such a guide recently. I thought your initiative was steming from that discussion we had on #developers. Was it not? ;)
  82. # [15:22] <@davidb> not entirely
  83. # [15:22] <@davidb> I promised something to web production team.
  84. # [15:23] <@davidb> Thanks for the reminder about the developers chat
  85. # [15:23] <@davidb> this should be generally useful
  86. # [15:23] <@marcoz> OK, so why don't you loop them in? We can then work through any questions they might have.
  87. # [15:24] <@davidb> I wanted it to be fairly final form before doing that.
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  89. # [15:25] <@davidb> I may fill it out with the actual checkboxes… and tweak wording.
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  93. # [15:41] <@marcoz> davidb: OK! Appreciate you taking over the formatting and nice-looking stuff here! :)
  94. # [15:41] <@davidb> heh
  95. # [15:41] <@davidb> ok
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  98. # [15:50] <@davidb> surkov: hi
  99. # [15:50] <@davidb> surkov, MarcoZ I wrote a summary bug comment
  100. # [15:50] <@surkov> hi, davidb
  101. # [15:50] <@davidb> AIUI
  102. # [15:50] <@davidb> (bug 785047)
  103. # [15:50] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=785047 nor, --, ---, surkov.alexander, ASSI, OOPP for Flash breaks some blind and low vision assistive technologies
  104. # [15:52] <@surkov> I see
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  107. # [15:53] <@marcoz> davidb: TBH, I'd rather block Flash completely for JAWS users rather than open those portals for possible security risks.
  108. # [15:54] <@davidb> I mostly agree
  109. # [15:54] <@marcoz> We claim to be the most secure browser. I think we should keep that in mind when working out the right solution to this bug.
  110. # [15:55] <@davidb> I'm unhappy with Adobe. Do they not have any beta audience to catch stuff like this?
  111. # [15:56] <@davidb> I guess it was a perfect storm with us now ignoring the pref.
  112. # [15:56] <@davidb> surkov: did Brett say he would chime in?
  113. # [15:57] <@surkov> no
  114. # [15:58] <@davidb> MarcoZ: i wonder if i should write a greasemonkey for http://webaim.org/standards/wcag/checklist/
  115. # [15:58] <@davidb> nah
  116. # [15:58] <@marcoz> davidb: A GreaseMonkey? To pull all the stuff in automatically?
  117. # [15:59] <@davidb> to doctor the page
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  129. # [17:13] <aaronlev> hey Stevef
  130. # [17:18] <@davidb> the titans are here ^
  131. # [17:22] <@marcoz> :D
  132. # [17:22] <@marcoz> Hi aaronlev, Stevef! :)
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  134. # [17:31] <@marcoz> davidb: eeejay: Re the videos: I wonder whether we should upload them to Youtube or so. I don't think all browsers decode webm.
  135. # [17:32] <@davidb> MarcoZ: was that a bug in the third vid?
  136. # [17:32] <@davidb> (see my reply)
  137. # [17:33] <@marcoz> davidb: I have to check. Was that the button double-speaking or something? That was fixed in the meantime.
  138. # [17:33] <@firebot> joshmoz@gmail.com denied review for attachment 654946 on bug 785047.
  139. # [17:33] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=785047 nor, --, ---, surkov.alexander, ASSI, OOPP for Flash breaks some blind and low vision assistive technologies
  140. # [17:33] <@davidb> MarcoZ: a link
  141. # [17:34] <@davidb> Rose something
  142. # [17:34] * @marcoz looks.
  143. # [17:38] <@marcoz> davidb: Oh you mean the redirect? That's a Wikipedia thing.
  144. # [17:39] <@marcoz> Where I clicked on the "House of Lancaster" link and it brought me to the "Wars of the roses" article.
  145. # [17:39] <@davidb> ok it looked funny since the visual box changed when you double tapped… it went back to the previous link before activating.
  146. # [17:39] <@davidb> it is worth double checking with eeejay
  147. # [17:42] <@marcoz> davidb: OK!
  148. # [17:43] <@marcoz> davidb: I just checked, and you're right, the article *does* exist, so for some reason it did activate the wrong link. Really strange!
  149. # [17:43] <@davidb> yeah
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  151. # [17:45] <@marcoz> davidb: If that's so, it's the only link that got activated wrongly for me ever since I started testing AccessFu. :)
  152. # [17:45] <@davidb> figures haha
  153. # [17:46] <@davidb> surkov: we might want to stress to Brett the urgency to fix on their side.
  154. # [17:46] * @davidb considers a blog
  155. # [17:47] <@marcoz> davidb: Unfortunately, it will be hard to reproduce, this was an "article of the day" section on the main Wikipedia site that changes every day.
  156. # [17:47] <@surkov> davidb: it doesn't seem we can stress Brett, maybe somebody else should be stressed like Glen
  157. # [17:47] <@davidb> Glen was cc'ed so far.
  158. # [17:48] <@davidb> surkov: I can escalate via Rich
  159. # [17:48] <@surkov> davidb: that should work
  160. # [17:49] <@davidb> of course… he might be mad at my latest w3c rant
  161. # [17:49] <@surkov> it's different
  162. # [17:49] <@davidb> yep
  163. # [17:49] <@davidb> on my list.
  164. # [17:51] <@marcoz> davidb: I just checked again with today's entry of the day, and it's definitely not reproducible. So it was probably a fluke. But it made for a good cheeky comment on my part. ;)
  165. # [17:51] <@davidb> heh
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  169. # [18:04] <@marcoz> *Pretending to answer a comment in the bug* No, the way to go is to kick FS in the butt for not fixing their stuff.
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  171. # [18:06] <@marcoz> davidb: I really think you should blog about this. And I mean *you*, not me, since, even after all these years, this could be viewed as bashing my ex employer.
  172. # [18:06] <@marcoz> It is surprising how many people still know that I worked there once.
  173. # [18:07] <@davidb> MarcoZ: my blog idea is meta
  174. # [18:08] <@davidb> usability vs security vs a11y
  175. # [18:12] <@marcoz> davidb: That's OK! :)
  176. # [18:21] <@davidb> MarcoZ: if we allow a new pref we can name it "just.use.nvda"
  177. # [18:25] <eeejay> marcoz, i think davidb is right, it's a bug. good catch
  178. # [18:25] <@davidb> eeejay: is it a known bug?
  179. # [18:25] <eeejay> davidb, no
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  182. # [18:34] <@firebot> New Firefox - Keyboard Navigation bug 789085 filed by mbrubeck@mozilla.com.
  183. # [18:34] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=789085 nor, --, ---, mbrubeck, ASSI, Main-window keyboard shortcuts don't work in Metro
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  187. # [18:47] <@marcoz> eeejay: And it's not reproducible, at least with today's Wikipedia article of the day.
  188. # [18:48] <@marcoz> And I never saw it before or after.
  189. # [18:48] <@marcoz> davidb: LOL re the pref name!
  190. # [18:48] <eeejay> marcoz, i would try the same page. and pay attention when you are flicking and when you are exploring in the video
  191. # [18:48] <eeejay> might have to do something with exploring vs flicking
  192. # [18:49] <@marcoz> eeejay: It was the wikipedia start page, IIRC, and it shows a different article of the day each day. I just tried it after talking to davidb about it earlier, and couldn't reproduce.
  193. # [18:50] <eeejay> marcoz, hm. ok. i'll give it a look too later
  194. # [18:50] <@marcoz> eeejay: And I tried both flicking and exploring, with the same result, it activates the correct link each time for me.
  195. # [18:51] <@marcoz> OK, off for the evening. See you tomorrow!
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  205. # [20:10] <@firebot> mbrubeck@mozilla.com requested review from jmathies@mozilla.co m for attachment 658931 on bug 789085.
  206. # [20:10] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=789085 nor, --, ---, mbrubeck, ASSI, Main-window keyboard shortcuts don't work in Metro
  207. # [20:12] <@firebot> mbrubeck@mozilla.com cancelled review?(jmathies@mozilla.co m) for attachment 658931 on bug 789085.
  208. # [20:12] <@firebot> mbrubeck@mozilla.com requested review from jmathies@mozilla.co m for attachment 658932 on bug 789085.
  209. # [20:14] <@davidb> hub: is your patch on bug 788834 ready for review?
  210. # [20:15] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=788834 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Emulator build fail on Fedora 17
  211. # [20:16] <@hub> davidb: it is Google stuff
  212. # [20:17] <@hub> so I have no idea what they can do with it
  213. # [20:17] <@hub> if they'll take it or no
  214. # [20:17] <@davidb> oh i see
  215. # [20:17] <@hub> it is not the first time I have to patch Google rubbish to build on a modern Linux
  216. # [20:18] <@hub> *hint* Google only build on an old Ubuntu
  217. # [20:18] <@davidb> heh
  218. # [20:18] <@davidb> well if we are using their stuff we should upstream
  219. # [20:19] <@davidb> hub: we meeting now?
  220. # [20:19] <@hub> oh
  221. # [20:19] <@hub> yeah sure give me a second
  222. # [20:19] <@davidb> ok
  223. # [20:41] <@davidb> time for my thursday relocation
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  239. # [22:20] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 789245 filed by trev.saunders@gmail.com.
  240. # [22:20] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=789245 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, add TableCellAccessible::Row()
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  244. # [22:31] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 789253 filed by trev.saunders@gmail.com.
  245. # [22:31] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=789253 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, optimize TableCellAccessible::Row/Col HeaderCells
  246. # [22:37] <@firebot> jmathies@mozilla.com granted review for attachment 658932 on bug 789085.
  247. # [22:37] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=789085 nor, --, ---, mbrubeck, ASSI, Main-window keyboard shortcuts don't work in Metro
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