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  6. # [01:01] <@firebot> New Firefox - Keyboard Navigation bug 790783 filed by mbrubeck@mozilla.com.
  7. # [01:02] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=790783 is not accessible
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  11. # [01:17] <drexler> tbsaunde: i posted my buggy patch for the ISimpleDOMNode. Take a look when free...
  12. # [01:23] <@firebot> New Firefox - Keyboard Navigation bug 790800 filed by mbrubeck@mozilla.com.
  13. # [01:23] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=790800 nor, --, ---, mbrubeck, ASSI, [Metro] Add (shift-)backspace keyboard shortcut
  14. # [01:24] <@firebot> mbrubeck@mozilla.com changed the Assignee on bug 785473 from nobody@mozilla.org to mbrubeck@mozilla.com.
  15. # [01:24] <@firebot> mbrubeck@mozilla.com changed the Component on bug 785473 from General to Keyboard Navigation.
  16. # [01:24] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=785473 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Audit non working keyboard shortcuts in Metro Firefox
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  20. # [01:37] <@firebot> mark.finkle@gmail.com granted review for attachment 660599 on bug 790783.
  21. # [01:37] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=790783 nor, --, ---, mbrubeck, ASSI, [Metro] Clean up the handling of the escape key
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  39. # [03:07] * Set by davidb on Tue Aug 07 15:29:32
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  43. # [03:36] <@tbsaunde> drexler: hey, so I started looking at your patch
  44. # [03:36] <drexler> tbsaunde: oh, ok
  45. # [03:36] <@tbsaunde> your changes to nsAccessNodeWrap::QueryNativeInterface / QueryService wrong
  46. # [03:37] <@tbsaunde> *seem wrong
  47. # [03:37] <drexler> suspected that...
  48. # [03:37] <@tbsaunde> I think you should be able to just revert them
  49. # [03:38] <@tbsaunde> calling QueryInterface() on a nsAccessNodeWrap should be fine since its a nsISupports so it has access to the method
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  51. # [03:41] <drexler> i thought the QI on nsAccessNodeWrap was due to it implementing the ISimpleDOMNode interface.
  52. # [03:44] <@tbsaunde> drexler: well, its a mess
  53. # [03:45] <@tbsaunde> nsAccessNodeWrap ends up inheriting ISimpleDOMNode which inherits IUnknown and so has a QueryInterface() for mscom stuff
  54. # [03:45] <@tbsaunde> but it also inherits from nsAccessNode which inherits from nsISupports so it has the xpcom QueryInterface
  55. # [03:45] <@tbsaunde> too
  56. # [03:46] <drexler> oh ok. makes sense.
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  58. # [03:46] <@tbsaunde> drexler: yeah, that part makes sense
  59. # [03:47] <@tbsaunde> but it seems to end up in accessibles having to implementations of QueryInterface() that appear to have an identical signature
  60. # [03:47] <@tbsaunde> which seems crazy, but somehow msvc allows it and it seems to work
  61. # [03:50] <drexler> so just to recap. If say a class D inherits from interface I which is nsISupports. Must all derived classes implement QI ?
  62. # [03:55] <@tbsaunde> drexler: not quiet
  63. # [03:56] <@tbsaunde> drexler: what is true is that for all class d which inherit from interface i which is nsISupports d must have an implementation of QueryInterface() but that could come from an intermediate class
  64. # [03:56] <@tbsaunde> so, if you have class d inherits from class b which inherits from interface i which inherits from nsISupports and b defines QueryInterface() then d doesn't have to implement QueryInterface() if b's impl is fine for it
  65. # [03:59] <drexler> oh okay.
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  68. # [04:14] <drexler> tbsaunde: so when using JAWS or Windows-Eyes...when that application starts up, what does it 'query' first in the accessible tree ?
  69. # [04:15] <drexler> just want to get a mental map of what's called and needed to be better able understand the effects of some of my changes.
  70. # [04:20] <@tbsaunde> drexler: no idea
  71. # [04:21] <drexler> ok
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  73. # [04:29] <@tbsaunde> drexler: the way I would look at it is to think about how your changes change behavior
  74. # [04:29] <@tbsaunde> they should cause no visible change in behavior to clients
  75. # [04:37] * drexler goes to read up on XPCOM.
  76. # [04:37] <@tbsaunde> drexler: fwiw it exactly the same as mscom if that helps
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  78. # [04:38] <@tbsaunde> drexler: if you have any questions please just ask :)
  79. # [04:39] <drexler> tbsaunde: I think my issues are down to how i QI between the various accessibles. I need to get a handle on that.
  80. # [04:39] <drexler> i definitely be asking a lot more if i get stuck...thanks :)
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  84. # [05:05] <@tbsaunde> drexler: ok
  85. # [05:05] <@tbsaunde> drexler: sadly I'm not sure how to help when its that general, but if you have specific questions
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  87. # [05:51] <@firebot> fryn@frankyan.com granted review for attachment 660604 on bug 790800.
  88. # [05:52] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=790800 nor, --, ---, mbrubeck, ASSI, [Metro] Add (shift-)backspace keyboard shortcut
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  107. # [13:02] <@firebot> arjun_e@rocketmail.com changed the Component on bug 790917 from Untriaged to Keyboard Navigation.
  108. # [13:02] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=790917 enh, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Pressing back space on does not takes me to previous page in firefox (ubuntu)
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  135. # [15:48] <@firebot> davemgarrett@gmail.com changed the Resolution on bug 790917 from --- to DUPLICATE.
  136. # [15:48] <@firebot> davemgarrett@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 790917 from UNCONFIRMED to RESOLVED.
  137. # [15:48] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=790917 enh, --, ---, nobody, RESO DUPLICATE, Pressing back space on does not takes me to previous page in firefox (ubuntu)
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  156. # [16:39] <@davidb> heyo
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  159. # [17:00] <@marcoz> Hi davidb!
  160. # [17:00] <@davidb> hihihi
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  175. # [18:18] <satdav> davidb, ping
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  182. # [18:42] <@davidb> hi satdav sorry i didn't reply to your email yet. it is funny timing.
  183. # [18:42] <@davidb> darn Marco is not around
  184. # [18:43] <@davidb> satdav: I met with web production a few weeks ago and we have a document in process (a checklist)
  185. # [18:43] <satdav> OK
  186. # [18:43] <satdav> davidb, do you have a link to it
  187. # [18:43] <@davidb> satdav: would you like to help with it?
  188. # [18:43] <@davidb> yeah i'm looking
  189. # [18:44] <satdav> as Stephard was not aware of any
  190. # [18:44] <@davidb> satdav: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Accessibility/WebDev_Recommendations
  191. # [18:44] <satdav> thanks
  192. # [18:44] <@davidb> satdav: i think the next step is to replace things like "Guidelines 2.1" with the actually guideline, and bring the checkboxes over… and create one monolithic checklist document
  193. # [18:45] <@davidb> satdav: also, we'll need a disclaimer like WebAIM has
  194. # [18:45] <@davidb> (http://webaim.org/standards/wcag/checklist#maincontent)
  195. # [18:45] <@davidb> satdav: Stephard?
  196. # [18:45] <@davidb> firebot: Stephard?
  197. # [18:45] <@firebot> davidb: Sorry, I've no idea what 'Stephard' might be.
  198. # [18:45] <satdav> steve donna or that
  199. # [18:46] <@davidb> oh ok
  200. # [18:46] <@davidb> satdav: ok i have to go AFK again for a bit… i'm fighting flu or something.
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  203. # [18:47] <satdav> OK poor you
  204. # [18:47] <@davidb> i'll live
  205. # [18:47] <@davidb> satdav: if you have feedback on that wiki please email Marco and me
  206. # [18:48] <@davidb> or simply edit it and ping us
  207. # [18:48] <@davidb> ok really stepping away
  208. # [18:48] <satdav> OK hes not about
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  277. # [21:48] <eeejay> i am so happy 'type' is not a reserved keyword in js
  278. # [21:48] <eeejay> fyi
  279. # [21:49] <eeejay> i'm going to tweet that
  280. # [21:52] <@hub> it isn't in C either
  281. # [21:53] <eeejay> hub, thanks
  282. # [21:53] <satdav> hey guys is anyone free 3 weeks time in the thursday to discuss about the web site guidelines we have
  283. # [21:53] <eeejay> satdav, i know marcoz and davidb have been working on that
  284. # [21:55] <satdav> yes I am going to look over it eeejay https://wiki.mozilla.org/Accessibility/WebDev_Recommendations
  285. # [21:55] <satdav> andsee if we can add anything elseto it
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  287. # [22:00] <satdav> davidb, got some possible feedback for them
  288. # [22:00] <satdav> the site
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