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  1. # Session Start: Fri Sep 28 00:00:00 2012
  2. # Session Ident: #accessibility
  3. # [00:34] <@tbsaunde> davidb|mobile: around?
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  22. # [04:39] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 795192 filed by trev.saunders@gmail.com.
  23. # [04:39] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=795192 nor, --, ---, trev.saunders, NEW, don't use xpcom table interfaces in atk code
  24. # [04:41] <@firebot> trev.saunders@gmail.com requested review from surkov.alexander@gm ail.com for attachment 665733 on bug 795192.
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  30. # [07:21] <@firebot> roc@ocallahan.org changed the Assignee on bug 745788 from nobody@mozilla.org to roc@ocallahan.org.
  31. # [07:21] <@firebot> roc@ocallahan.org requested review from trev.saunders@gmail .com for attachment 665776 on bug 745788.
  32. # [07:21] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=745788 nor, --, ---, roc, NEW, Intermittent a11y/accessible/treeupdate/test_imagemap.html | Test timed out
  33. # [07:22] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 795210 filed by philringnalda@gmail.com.
  34. # [07:22] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=795210 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Intermittent accessible/events/test_docload.xul | test_docload.xul | an unexpected uncaught JS excep
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  37. # [07:33] <@firebot> trev.saunders@gmail.com granted review for attachment 665776 on bug 745788.
  38. # [07:33] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=745788 nor, --, ---, roc, NEW, Intermittent a11y/accessible/treeupdate/test_imagemap.html | Test timed out
  39. # [07:34] <@firebot> roc@ocallahan.org granted review for attachment 665780 on bug 745788.
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  41. # [08:15] <@firebot> iamjayakumars@gmail.com changed the Resolution on bug 794026 from --- to WORKSFORME.
  42. # [08:15] <@firebot> iamjayakumars@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 794026 from UNCONFIRMED to RESOLVED.
  43. # [08:15] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=794026 nor, --, ---, nobody, RESO WORKSFORME, Facebook Not Responding for Home and Page Up button
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  51. # [11:01] <@firebot> ioana.budnar@softvision.ro set status-firefox16 to verified on bug 765172.
  52. # [11:01] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=765172 cri, --, mozilla16, mh+mozilla, RESO FIXED, Crash during a11y/accessible/focus/test_takeFocus.html | Exited with code -1073741819 during test ru
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  77. # [15:55] <@davidb> heyo
  78. # [15:57] <icaaq1> davidb: where's marcoz? haven't seen him for a while
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  80. # [15:57] <icaaq> davidb: and Hi!
  81. # [15:57] <@davidb> icaaq: he'll be back after next week
  82. # [15:57] <@davidb> and hi :)
  83. # [16:00] <icaaq> ok :) I've been looking at the new persona.org site. some a11y things needs to be fixed there.
  84. # [16:01] <@davidb> thanks for doing this!
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  96. # [17:59] * @davidb is spelunking around in eitan's patch
  97. # [18:00] <@davidb> tbsaunde|zzz: are you sure you are still zzz? I see you at your desk.
  98. # [18:01] <@tbsaunde|zzz> nick tbsaunde
  99. # [18:01] <@tbsaunde|zzz> davidb: I think i woke up
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  101. # [18:01] <@davidb> phew
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  105. # [19:01] <@firebot> anthony.s.hughes@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 794026 from RESOLVED to VERIFIED.
  106. # [19:01] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=794026 nor, --, ---, nobody, VERI WORKSFORME, Facebook Not Responding for Home and Page Up button
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  110. # [19:22] <@davidb> oh eeejay is here
  111. # [19:22] <@davidb> eeejay: why are Input and Output in global scope?
  112. # [19:23] <eeejay> davidb, global of what, the file?
  113. # [19:23] <@davidb> js global
  114. # [19:24] <eeejay> davidb, in js modules it doesn't matter since you need to explicitly export it
  115. # [19:24] <@davidb> doh
  116. # [19:24] <@davidb> right thanks
  117. # [19:24] <@davidb> jsm
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  119. # [19:37] <@davidb> eeejay: the adjust bounds stuff is all new right?
  120. # [19:38] <eeejay> davidb, the method, but the math is not new
  121. # [19:38] <eeejay> davidb, just put it on the chrome end
  122. # [19:38] <@davidb> yeah discovering that now
  123. # [19:38] <@davidb> ok
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  130. # [20:17] <@hub> nice. I just got told I'm mentor on a bug I was not even CC on
  131. # [20:18] <@davidb> oops
  132. # [20:19] <@davidb> eeejay: where is the presenter type used? e.g. Base, Android...
  133. # [20:19] <eeejay> on the chrome end, the output is determined with it
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  135. # [20:19] <eeejay> davidb, grepping won't find anything :)
  136. # [20:19] <@davidb> yeah
  137. # [20:19] <@davidb> i need to open that up
  138. # [20:21] <@davidb> i'll just trust
  139. # [20:21] <@davidb> eeejay: it is only in your local repo right?
  140. # [20:27] <eeejay> davidb, what is only in my repo?
  141. # [20:27] <@davidb> eeejay: the stuff that cares about the presenter type?
  142. # [20:27] <@davidb> like 'Visual'
  143. # [20:27] <@davidb> either that or mxr fail
  144. # [20:27] <eeejay> davidb, it is all in that patch
  145. # [20:28] <@davidb> really?
  146. # [20:28] <eeejay> davidb, yeah. in the Output object in AccessFu.jsm
  147. # [20:28] <eeejay> davidb, the presenter types match up to Output methods
  148. # [20:28] <@davidb> ah!
  149. # [20:28] <@davidb> yes
  150. # [20:28] <@davidb> YES!
  151. # [20:28] <@davidb> thanks
  152. # [20:29] <@davidb> clearly i'm not jumping around enough
  153. # [20:29] <@davidb> eeejay: i think your comment threw me… i'll make a note in the review
  154. # [20:30] <eeejay> davidb, cool :)
  155. # [20:33] <@firebot> hub@mozilla.com changed the Assignee on bug 737766 from nobody@mozilla.org to mohangorai@gmail.com.
  156. # [20:33] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=737766 nor, --, ---, mohangorai, NEW, Firefox can't save the homepage.
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  158. # [20:38] <fxa90id> :-)
  159. # [20:42] <@tbsaunde> davidb: so, I have the mInvalidationList stuff working except for some xbl stuff which fixing is going to be ugly
  160. # [20:42] <@tbsaunde> because there's no good notification from content we can listen for
  161. # [20:43] <@davidb> tbsaunde: can we add it?
  162. # [20:43] <@davidb> also… that's great news!
  163. # [20:44] <@tbsaunde> davidb: well, we can add in a special notification for a11y atleast probably
  164. # [20:44] <@davidb> yeah we'll likely have to do that then
  165. # [20:44] <@tbsaunde> davidb: I'm not really sure how much it'll help perf, but it'll make things a bit more sane atleast I hope
  166. # [20:44] <@davidb> sanity is good.
  167. # [20:45] <@tbsaunde> I talked with bz a bunch yesterday about it and, and I think he'll be fine with that, though a bit sad we support this stuff and hurt perf to do it
  168. # [20:45] <@davidb> Is there another way?
  169. # [20:45] <@tbsaunde> which I can't really disagree with especially from chrome only stuff, but I don't think we'll convince Alex
  170. # [20:46] <@tbsaunde> of course there are other options, the question is what is acceptable
  171. # [20:47] <@tbsaunde> we could say reverse relations in chrome docs must be explicit, so no automatic label for in response to aria-labelledby etc
  172. # [20:48] <icaaq> What do you think, should breadcrumbs be inside a nav-element?
  173. # [20:49] <@tbsaunde> davidb: or we could say reverse relations work in chrome, but not for nodes in xbl anon content
  174. # [20:50] <@tbsaunde> I'd certainly be fine with the first assuming someone updates our UI, and maybe the second though its inconsist
  175. # [20:50] <@tbsaunde> ant
  176. # [20:51] <@davidb> tbsaunde: what is best for our users?
  177. # [20:51] <@davidb> if you can answer that, then that's what i want.
  178. # [20:51] <@tbsaunde> I'm not sure I can
  179. # [20:51] <@davidb> hmm
  180. # [20:51] <@tbsaunde> for actually probably what we do now is best, though maybe not
  181. # [20:51] <@tbsaunde> actual AT users
  182. # [20:52] <@davidb> it depends on reverse relation usage
  183. # [20:52] <@tbsaunde> for people with anti virus / whatever that pokes at a11y probably better to say no reverse relations since whatever we do to support them won't be fast
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  185. # [20:53] <@tbsaunde> davidb: yeah, and how at rely on them
  186. # [20:53] <@davidb> if at all
  187. # [20:54] <@tbsaunde> davidb: I'm pretty sure atleast one does see the bug bug 421242 blocks
  188. # [20:54] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=421242 nor, --, mozilla14, surkov.alexander, RESO FIXED, allow relations in anonymous content for binding parent
  189. # [20:59] <@davidb> tbsaunde: I don't see anything about AT
  190. # [20:59] <@davidb> tbsaunde: want to post your WIP and start a discussion?
  191. # [21:01] <@tbsaunde> davidb: see the bug it blocks
  192. # [21:02] <@tbsaunde> davidb: I guess
  193. # [21:02] <@davidb> tbsaunde: i looked but nothing
  194. # [21:04] <@tbsaunde> davidb: from bug 661293
  195. # [21:04] <@tbsaunde> Description Marco Zehe (:MarcoZ) 2011-06-01 10:43:09 PDT
  196. # [21:04] <@tbsaunde> By accessibility technology vendor report, i noticed that the label that is supposed to provide the description for the tabModalPrompt dialog accessible provides an empty description. The reason is that the label pointed to (an
  197. # [21:04] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=661293 nor, --, mozilla14, surkov.alexander, RESO FIXED, the tabmodalprompt dialog's prompt label doesn't get the text properly associated for accessibility
  198. # [21:04] <@tbsaunde> on ID is info.body) does not have an accessible name. Instead, it has a text leaf below it that has the actual text.
  199. # [21:05] <@davidb> oh
  200. # [21:06] <@davidb> oh crap i forgot to look at resolved blocks
  201. # [21:06] <@davidb> heh
  202. # [21:06] <@tbsaunde> :p
  203. # [21:08] <@davidb> tbsaunde: i'm really confused how that bug is resolved via only a mochitest
  204. # [21:08] <@tbsaunde> davidb: I think bug 421242 was enough to fix it
  205. # [21:08] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=421242 nor, --, mozilla14, surkov.alexander, RESO FIXED, allow relations in anonymous content for binding parent
  206. # [21:08] <@tbsaunde> atleast that's my impression
  207. # [21:09] <@tbsaunde> that said, I think its kind of a crazy way to fix it
  208. # [21:09] <@tbsaunde> but I'm not exactly impartial on the relations and xbl thing so ;)
  209. # [21:12] <@davidb> tbsaunde: you did r+ it :)
  210. # [21:14] <@davidb> blah
  211. # [21:18] <@tbsaunde> davidb: true, I guess I was young and foolish or something
  212. # [21:18] <@tbsaunde> we all make mistakes
  213. # [21:19] <@davidb> boy howdy
  214. # [21:19] <@davidb> my blah was about looking at xbl calls
  215. # [21:19] <@davidb> and iterators
  216. # [21:19] <@davidb> and having to think about what was going on
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  218. # [21:20] <@tbsaunde> heh
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  225. # [22:16] <@davidb> have a great weekend everyone!
  226. # [22:16] <clown> same to you
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  236. # [23:21] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 795468 filed by trev.saunders@gmail.com.
  237. # [23:21] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=795468 nor, --, ---, trev.saunders, NEW, minor optimizations to accessible creation
  238. # [23:24] <@firebot> trev.saunders@gmail.com requested review from surkov.alexander@gm ail.com for attachment 666053 on bug 795468.
  239. # Session Close: Sat Sep 29 00:00:00 2012

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