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  2. # Session Ident: #accessibility
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  14. # [01:28] <@hub> just cc'ed you on bug 796188
  15. # [01:28] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=796188 cri, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Crash while caret browsing is trying to move focus
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  17. # [01:31] <@tbsaunde> hub: ?
  18. # [01:32] <@hub> tbsaunde: it is triggered by setting accessibility.browsewithcaret
  19. # [01:32] <@hub> maybe it is not a11y fault
  20. # [01:33] <@tbsaunde> hub: ok, bt who were you saying you ccd?
  21. # [01:33] <@hub> added you in Cc
  22. # [01:33] <@tbsaunde> hub: oh, me
  23. # [01:34] <@tbsaunde> that wasn't clear ;)
  24. # [01:34] <@hub> sorry
  25. # [01:34] <@tbsaunde> np
  26. # [01:34] <@tbsaunde> yeah, caret stuff isn't really our a11y code
  27. # [01:35] <@tbsaunde> I think it sort of used to fall to ehsan bt I'm not sure anyone really owns or cares about it much
  28. # [01:35] <@tbsaunde> :(
  29. # [01:36] <ehsan> nobody's actively working on caret
  30. # [01:36] <@tbsaunde> ehsan: see the "sort of used" part ;)
  31. # [01:37] <ehsan> :)
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  36. # [04:08] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com requested in-testsuite from the wind on bug 791400.
  37. # [04:08] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com changed the Resolution on bug 791400 from --- to FIXED.
  38. # [04:08] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 791400 from NEW to RESOLVED.
  39. # [04:08] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 791400 from --- to mozilla18.
  40. # [04:08] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=791400 nor, --, mozilla18, eitan, RESO FIXED, [AccessFu] Refactor accessfu to allow OOP content
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  68. # [11:35] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com granted review for attachment 665733 on bug 795192.
  69. # [11:35] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=795192 nor, --, ---, trev.saunders, NEW, don't use xpcom table interfaces in atk code
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  72. # [12:22] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com requested review from trev.saunders@gmail .com for attachment 666201 on bug 768461.
  73. # [12:22] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=768461 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, add Accessible::HasNumericValue() method
  74. # [12:23] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com changed the Assignee on bug 768461 from nobody@mozilla.org to jkitch.bug@gmail.com.
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  95. # [14:09] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com changed the Assignee on bug 795210 from nobody@mozilla.org to surkov.alexander@gmail.com.
  96. # [14:09] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com requested review from trev.saunders@gmail .com for attachment 666938 on bug 795210.
  97. # [14:09] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 795210 from NEW to ASSIGNED.
  98. # [14:09] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=795210 nor, --, ---, surkov.alexander, ASSI, Intermittent accessible/events/test_docload.xul | test_docload.xul | an unexpected uncaught JS excep
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  101. # [14:50] <@firebot> gmontagu@gmail.com changed the Component on bug 794468 from Untriaged to Keyboard Navigation.
  102. # [14:50] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=794468 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Fullscreen API and 'F11 Fullscreen' behaviours are inconsistent
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  109. # [15:33] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 785047 from --- to mozilla18.
  110. # [15:33] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=785047 nor, --, mozilla18, surkov.alexander, ASSI, OOPP for Flash breaks some blind and low vision assistive technologies
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  129. # [16:28] <@davidb> heyo
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  139. # [17:26] <@firebot> dbolter@mozilla.com changed the Resolution on bug 765878 from --- to DUPLICATE.
  140. # [17:26] <@firebot> dbolter@mozilla.com changed the Status on bug 765878 from NEW to RESOLVED.
  141. # [17:26] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=765878 nor, --, ---, nobody, RESO DUPLICATE, ARIA abstract role to MSAA role mapping is spec violation
  142. # [17:30] <@tbsaunde> davidb: you do realize we should probably just accept a11y is going ot be on most of the time at this point right?
  143. # [17:31] <@davidb> tbsaunde: you mean that should be our assumption even if it isn't true?
  144. # [17:33] <@tbsaunde> davidb: not sure what you mean
  145. # [17:33] <@davidb> tbsaunde: ditto
  146. # [17:34] <@tbsaunde> davidb: I think in the reasonably near future a11y is going to be active in most or atleast many cases
  147. # [17:34] <@tbsaunde> and I think we should deal with that instead of trying to avoid
  148. # [17:34] <@tbsaunde> it
  149. # [17:35] <@davidb> tbsaunde: you mean on all platforms or?
  150. # [17:35] <@tbsaunde> probably all or least a lot
  151. # [17:35] <@tbsaunde> there was a bit of mac ussage, but we can sort of ignore that
  152. # [17:35] <@tbsaunde> gnome is moving in that direction
  153. # [17:36] <@tbsaunde> windows 8 will have a11y on atleast for the IME thing and probably other stuff
  154. # [17:36] <@davidb> i see
  155. # [17:36] <@tbsaunde> there's those asian dictionaries or whatever those things are we do telemetry for on win32
  156. # [17:37] <@tbsaunde> and apparently android for apps that want random information
  157. # [17:37] <@davidb> you are right
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  160. # [18:16] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 796955 filed by trev.saunders@gmail.com.
  161. # [18:16] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=796955 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, remove mInvalidationList from DocAccessible
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  164. # [18:53] <@davidb> tbsaunde: regarding http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/
  165. # [18:53] <@davidb> for stuff like aria-describedby, then want to know what atk api call it applies to...
  166. # [18:54] <@davidb> would it be atk_object_get_description ?
  167. # [18:54] <@davidb> or is there a shorter/abstract way we can specify this?
  168. # [18:54] <@tbsaunde> davidb: did you mean they instead of then?
  169. # [18:55] <@davidb> yes
  170. # [18:55] <@tbsaunde> davidb: I'd assume you'd get it with atk_object_ref_relationset(), but that's a guess
  171. # [18:55] <@davidb> you do
  172. # [18:55] * @tbsaunde reads link
  173. # [18:55] <@davidb> but we use it to build a description AFAIK
  174. # [18:55] <@davidb> as part of the name computation
  175. # [18:56] <@tbsaunde> do we? I could sort of believe that, but don't remember
  176. # [18:56] <@davidb> surkov: can you have a quick look at http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/ and tell me if the MSAA IA2 column looks correct?
  177. # [18:56] <@davidb> for aria-describedby
  178. # [18:57] <@davidb> … and if so, we need to give the atk version of accDescription (see above)… want to be sure we have it right.
  179. # [18:57] <@surkov> yes
  180. # [18:58] <@tbsaunde> davidb: which part, you just linked to the spec in general
  181. # [18:58] <@surkov> as far as I know atk part is the same
  182. # [18:58] <@surkov> tbsaunde: look at the table
  183. # [18:58] <@surkov> 5.5.1. State and Property Mapping Table
  184. # [18:58] <@davidb> right
  185. # [18:59] <@tbsaunde> ok
  186. # [18:59] <@davidb> surkov: but it wouldn't be 'accDescription' for atk… would it be atk_object_get_description?
  187. # [18:59] <@surkov> sure
  188. # [18:59] <@davidb> ok
  189. # [19:00] <@surkov> davidb: ping tbsaunde about difference between atk_object_get_description and aClass->get_description we do
  190. # [19:01] <@surkov> we operate on AtkObjectClass
  191. # [19:01] <@surkov> which is mapped to atk_object_get_description I guess
  192. # [19:01] <@surkov> but i don't know about atk internals much
  193. # [19:01] <@surkov> davidb: relation constant names are different too I think
  194. # [19:02] <@surkov> and davidb it'd be great if the spec contains a link to ia2, atk, etc specs
  195. # [19:02] <@tbsaunde> surkov: davidb yeah, atk_object_get_description just calls atkobj->GetDesscriptionCb
  196. # [19:02] <@davidb> atk jumps around
  197. # [19:02] <@surkov> ok
  198. # [19:02] <@tbsaunde> davidb: yeah, atk looks right if we assume name computation involves aria-description stuff
  199. # [19:03] <@tbsaunde> davidb: jumps around how?
  200. # [19:03] <@tbsaunde> I think the name is ATK_RELATION_blah, but probably not a big deal just a typo really
  201. # [19:03] <@davidb> yeah
  202. # [19:04] <@davidb> tbsaunde: i think you reviewed the atk column last.
  203. # [19:04] <@davidb> but it may have been edited… there is no easy way for me to tell :(
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  206. # [19:07] <@davidb> ok AFK for about an hour (i hope)
  207. # [19:07] <@tbsaunde> davidb: ok, let me look
  208. # [19:08] <@tbsaunde> davidb: yeah, they all have the ATK_RELATION_SOMETHING format
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  229. # [20:15] <@davidb> tbsaunde: happy birthday! you know you can take it off eh? or another alternate day.
  230. # [20:16] <@hub> happy birthday tbsaunde
  231. # [20:16] <@hub> :-)
  232. # [20:19] <@davidb> hub: are you hearing this?
  233. # [20:19] <@davidb> (dev meeting)
  234. # [20:22] <@tbsaunde> davidb: thanks, yeah
  235. # [20:22] <@tbsaunde> didn't really feel like taking a random tuesday off :)
  236. # [20:22] <@davidb> yeah, better to line it up with a weekend
  237. # [20:23] <@tbsaunde> did someone coment on it at the meeting or something? :/
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  239. # [20:24] <@davidb> naw
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  241. # [20:26] <@hub> davidb: heard what?
  242. # [20:26] <@hub> davidb: I might have missed it
  243. # [20:26] <@hub> davidb: I'm on the planning call though
  244. # [20:26] <@davidb> hub: unagi device request is to be done through service now, be sure to mention it is for development, and in your case when where to pick up.
  245. # [20:27] <@hub> ah
  246. # [20:27] <@hub> yeah
  247. # [20:27] <@davidb> cc me
  248. # [20:27] <@hub> I have been avoiding Service Now
  249. # [20:27] <@davidb> at your peril! :)
  250. # [20:27] <@hub> because I have to enter my LDAP password into a 3rd party system
  251. # [20:27] <@hub> and I'm quite paranoid about that kind of stuff
  252. # [20:27] <@davidb> ah
  253. # [20:27] <@davidb> i think it was vetted through our security whizs
  254. # [20:27] <@hub> I can't believe the OpSec folks let that go through
  255. # [20:27] <@tbsaunde> as bad as it is kerberos really is what you want here
  256. # [20:28] <@tbsaunde> davidb: I hope so, but == hub I'm suprised
  257. # [20:28] <@davidb> hub: i can file it… do you think Oct 29 in Toronto is the right ask?
  258. # [20:28] <@tbsaunde> davidb: btw mind filing a service now thing to get me a chair that doesn't slide down as you sit in?
  259. # [20:29] <@hub> davidb: yeah. that
  260. # [20:29] <@davidb> tbsaunde: we might be able to just swap it when i'm next in
  261. # [20:29] <@hub> that's the proper timing
  262. # [20:29] <@davidb> hub: ok
  263. # [20:29] <@tbsaunde> davidb: I think me and jlin decided it was inaccessible or atleast only sort of
  264. # [20:29] <@tbsaunde> :(
  265. # [20:29] <@hub> tbsaunde: ouch
  266. # [20:29] <@davidb> tbsaunde: i'll file
  267. # [20:29] <@hub> suckage
  268. # [20:29] * @davidb shakes his fist at procurement
  269. # [20:29] <@tbsaunde> davidb: either way, no terrible hurry
  270. # [20:30] <@hub> tbsaunde: chairs are important :-)
  271. # [20:30] <@tbsaunde> hub: true
  272. # [20:36] <@davidb> hub: FWIW REQ0011083
  273. # [20:36] <@davidb> i couldn't cc you
  274. # [20:38] * @tbsaunde snickers
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  277. # [20:42] <@hub> thanks
  278. # [20:46] <@davidb> np.
  279. # [20:47] <@tbsaunde> davidb: and hillzy got me a good chair :D
  280. # [20:47] <@davidb> system works!
  281. # [20:47] <@tbsaunde> davidb: yeah :)
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  295. # [21:48] <@davidb> tbsaunde: congrats on getting the WIP up and seeding the discussion
  296. # [21:48] <@davidb> i need to try and have that 1/2 day off now. ciao all
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