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- # Session Start: Fri Oct 05 00:00:00 2012
- # Session Ident: #accessibility
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- # [06:36] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 798205 filed by surkov.alexander@gmail.com.
- # [06:36] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=798205 nor, --, ---, surkov.alexander, NEW, move ia2 files under ia2 directory
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- # [07:11] <@surkov> hi, tbsaunde
- # [07:12] <@firebot> trev.saunders@gmail.com granted review for attachment 668314 on bug 798205.
- # [07:12] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=798205 nor, --, ---, surkov.alexander, NEW, move ia2 files under ia2 directory
- # [07:13] <@tbsaunde> surkov: hi
- # [07:13] <@surkov> thanks for quick review
- # [07:13] <@tbsaunde> np, wasn't very interesting or hard
- # [07:13] <@tbsaunde> I'm curious why you choose to do it know though :)
- # [07:14] <@tbsaunde> *now
- # [07:16] <@tbsaunde> surkov: any reason to do GetAccService()->getDocAccessible(aNode->OwnerDoc()) instead of aNode->OwnerDoc()->GetPresShell()->GetDocumentAccessible()?
- # [07:16] <@surkov> tbsaunde: the second is longer :)
- # [07:17] <@surkov> tbsaunde: my eyes tired to stumble over these CAcc and ia2Acc stuffs
- # [07:17] <@tbsaunde> surkov: ok
- # [07:17] <@tbsaunde> ah
- # [07:18] <@tbsaunde> surkov: well, I want to reduce usage of the doc accessible cache
- # [07:18] <@tbsaunde> so it would be nice if in new places we pulled stuff off the pres shell
- # [07:18] <@tbsaunde> if you have shorter way to do that that's cool
- # [07:19] <@surkov> tbsaunde: actually we need to avoid aNode->OwnerDoc()->GetPresShell() things
- # [07:19] <@surkov> irrc it's not always possible
- # [07:21] <@tbsaunde> surkov: yeah, I guess that might be true
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- # [07:22] <@tbsaunde> but you want to move towards doc accessible per pres shell instead of per nsIDocument right?
- # [07:22] <@tbsaunde> so we need to figure out what to do in case document doesn't have pres shell but we want it to have a doc accessible
- # [07:26] <@tbsaunde> surkov: ?
- # [07:26] <@surkov> tbsaunde: yes
- # [07:27] <@surkov> tbsaunde: correction: if document doesn't have pre shell then we don't have an accessible for ti
- # [07:28] <@tbsaunde> surkov: so its a little more complicated than OwnerDoc(0->GetPresShell->GetDocAccessible() bit it still works ?
- # [07:28] <@tbsaunde> since you need to check you have a pres shell
- # [07:28] <@surkov> yes
- # [07:30] <@tbsaunde> surkov: so, ideas on shorter way?
- # [07:31] <@surkov> tbsaunde: does a method on accservice work?
- # [07:33] <@tbsaunde> surkov: I guess
- # [07:33] <@tbsaunde> or I guess you could try and convert the existing one to get from pres shell and see what breaks
- # [07:33] <@tbsaunde> but I'm not really fond of service idea so
- # [07:33] <@tbsaunde> would sort of like something else
- # [07:34] <@surkov> tbsaunde: if we don't have a lot of cases then we can go with longer way
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- # [07:36] <@tbsaunde> surkov: ok, sort of hope we don't have to many
- # [07:36] <@tbsaunde> since it means you are in a case where you don't not what document you deal with
- # [07:37] <@surkov> iirc few months ago we get rid many of them
- # [07:38] <@tbsaunde> surkov: yeah, sounds right
- # [07:38] <@tbsaunde> the accessible types stuff gets rid of some too
- # [07:39] <@tbsaunde> and so would having layout not call through the service if we could agree on way to do it :p
- # [07:41] <@firebot> trev.saunders@gmail.com granted review for attachment 667841 on bug 708927.
- # [07:41] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=708927 nor, --, mozilla18, surkov.alexander, REOP, Intermittent test_focus_menu.xul | Test timed out, sometimes followed by tens of thousands of gA11yE
- # [07:47] <@tbsaunde> surkov: anything else up?
- # [07:47] <@surkov> tbsaunde: seems no
- # [07:48] <@tbsaunde> ok, see you
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- # [13:13] <@firebot> bmo@edmorley.co.uk changed the Resolution on bug 768461 from --- to FIXED.
- # [13:13] <@firebot> bmo@edmorley.co.uk changed the Status on bug 768461 from NEW to RESOLVED.
- # [13:13] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=768461 nor, --, mozilla18, jkitch.bug, RESO FIXED, add Accessible::HasNumericValue() method
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- # [15:08] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 798310 filed by respindola@mozilla.com.
- # [15:08] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=798310 nor, --, ---, respindola, ASSI, Include Accessible-inl.h in nsMaiInterfaceTable.cpp
- # [15:13] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 798205 from --- to mozilla18.
- # [15:13] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=798205 nor, --, mozilla18, surkov.alexander, NEW, move ia2 files under ia2 directory
- # [15:17] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com granted review for attachment 668413 on bug 798310.
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- # [15:52] <@davidb> heyo
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- # [16:58] <@tbsaunde> davidb: morning, should be in soon as in before lunch
- # [17:01] <@davidb> tbsaunde: ok
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- # [20:15] <@davidb> hi hub
- # [20:15] <@davidb> hub: i'd like to mark that bug invalid based on your comment…. sound reasonable?
- # [20:16] <@davidb> or morph it
- # [20:16] <@hub> morph it more likely
- # [20:16] <@hub> the problem is that cellular data cost money
- # [20:16] <@hub> etc.
- # [20:16] <@hub> it is something that should really be specified
- # [20:16] <@davidb> ok
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- # [20:17] <@davidb> hub: are users aware this happens?
- # [20:18] <@hub> no
- # [20:18] <@hub> given that there are two conflicting use cases
- # [20:18] <@hub> the one were wifi is available and the one were wifi is rarely
- # [20:27] <@davidb> i already dislike that bug :)
- # [20:30] <@hub> I expect bikeshedding
- # [20:34] <@davidb> yeah
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- # [21:03] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 798492 filed by dbolter@mozilla.com.
- # [21:03] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=798492 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Deprecate/Remove our Windows MSAA BSTR accRole hack
- # [21:06] <@tbsaunde> davidb: ugh, wil that bikesheding ever end?
- # [21:06] <@davidb> tbsaunde: on that latest bug
- # [21:06] <@davidb> ?
- # [21:06] <@davidb> tbsaunde: i think the trick is to just get it behind a config option
- # [21:07] <@tbsaunde> davidb: yeah
- # [21:07] <@tbsaunde> I'd say the trick is too fight about something more useful
- # [21:12] <@davidb> that would require more isolation :)
- # [21:12] <@davidb> you should see all the bugs I don't file
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- # [21:18] <@tbsaunde> davidb: hu?
- # [21:18] <@tbsaunde> I'm not sure how it would mean iscolation
- # [21:19] <@tbsaunde> err, isolation
- # [21:20] <@tbsaunde> it just means spec groups should work on real issues
- # [21:24] <@davidb> tbsaunde: oh, by isolation I mean people not being able to ping me incessantly.
- # [21:25] <@davidb> but I'm happy to insulate the team
- # [21:25] <@davidb> yada yada blah blah
- # [21:26] <@davidb> anyways… MS have asked us not to do this quite a few times (the BSTR hack)
- # [21:26] <@tbsaunde> davidb: well, I'd claim somethings more fundimentally wrong if people keep pinging about this kind of minor junk
- # [21:26] <@tbsaunde> atleast when there are more serious issues to deal with
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- # [21:27] <@tbsaunde> as I'd claim there are for aria / a11y
- # [21:27] <@davidb> 100% absolutely, something is fundamentally wrong.
- # [21:28] <@davidb> This is a known issue with the spec group.
- # [21:28] <@davidb> I've complained, believe me.
- # [21:28] <@davidb> I'm pushing to the living spec model.
- # [21:29] <@davidb> The problem is that would give the existing players little to do.
- # [21:29] <@davidb> So it is a nuanced battle.
- # [21:30] <@tbsaunde> davidb: ok
- # [21:31] <@davidb> Another tricky thing is to avoid coming off as arrogant when I tell people I can't join in on some of the discussions or battles (which are places sane people go to die).
- # [21:34] <@tbsaunde> yeah, I guess that could be tricky
- # [21:35] <@tbsaunde> although I guess you could say here a problems x y and z that are related and big deals I'll discuss them instead
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- # [22:20] <@davidb> tbsaunde: yep I employ that technique often
- # [22:20] <@davidb> "why can't you fix my pet bug?!" "because we need to get out of the active volcano first"
- # [22:23] <@tbsaunde> haha
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- # [22:34] <@davidb> OK folks have a great weekend… and note we Canadians will be celebrating ThanksGiving on Monday.
- # [22:34] <@davidb> ciao!
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