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  1. # Session Start: Fri Oct 05 00:00:00 2012
  2. # Session Ident: #accessibility
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  20. # [06:36] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 798205 filed by surkov.alexander@gmail.com.
  21. # [06:36] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=798205 nor, --, ---, surkov.alexander, NEW, move ia2 files under ia2 directory
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  27. # [07:11] <@surkov> hi, tbsaunde
  28. # [07:12] <@firebot> trev.saunders@gmail.com granted review for attachment 668314 on bug 798205.
  29. # [07:12] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=798205 nor, --, ---, surkov.alexander, NEW, move ia2 files under ia2 directory
  30. # [07:13] <@tbsaunde> surkov: hi
  31. # [07:13] <@surkov> thanks for quick review
  32. # [07:13] <@tbsaunde> np, wasn't very interesting or hard
  33. # [07:13] <@tbsaunde> I'm curious why you choose to do it know though :)
  34. # [07:14] <@tbsaunde> *now
  35. # [07:16] <@tbsaunde> surkov: any reason to do GetAccService()->getDocAccessible(aNode->OwnerDoc()) instead of aNode->OwnerDoc()->GetPresShell()->GetDocumentAccessible()?
  36. # [07:16] <@surkov> tbsaunde: the second is longer :)
  37. # [07:17] <@surkov> tbsaunde: my eyes tired to stumble over these CAcc and ia2Acc stuffs
  38. # [07:17] <@tbsaunde> surkov: ok
  39. # [07:17] <@tbsaunde> ah
  40. # [07:18] <@tbsaunde> surkov: well, I want to reduce usage of the doc accessible cache
  41. # [07:18] <@tbsaunde> so it would be nice if in new places we pulled stuff off the pres shell
  42. # [07:18] <@tbsaunde> if you have shorter way to do that that's cool
  43. # [07:19] <@surkov> tbsaunde: actually we need to avoid aNode->OwnerDoc()->GetPresShell() things
  44. # [07:19] <@surkov> irrc it's not always possible
  45. # [07:21] <@tbsaunde> surkov: yeah, I guess that might be true
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  47. # [07:22] <@tbsaunde> but you want to move towards doc accessible per pres shell instead of per nsIDocument right?
  48. # [07:22] <@tbsaunde> so we need to figure out what to do in case document doesn't have pres shell but we want it to have a doc accessible
  49. # [07:26] <@tbsaunde> surkov: ?
  50. # [07:26] <@surkov> tbsaunde: yes
  51. # [07:27] <@surkov> tbsaunde: correction: if document doesn't have pre shell then we don't have an accessible for ti
  52. # [07:28] <@tbsaunde> surkov: so its a little more complicated than OwnerDoc(0->GetPresShell->GetDocAccessible() bit it still works ?
  53. # [07:28] <@tbsaunde> since you need to check you have a pres shell
  54. # [07:28] <@surkov> yes
  55. # [07:30] <@tbsaunde> surkov: so, ideas on shorter way?
  56. # [07:31] <@surkov> tbsaunde: does a method on accservice work?
  57. # [07:33] <@tbsaunde> surkov: I guess
  58. # [07:33] <@tbsaunde> or I guess you could try and convert the existing one to get from pres shell and see what breaks
  59. # [07:33] <@tbsaunde> but I'm not really fond of service idea so
  60. # [07:33] <@tbsaunde> would sort of like something else
  61. # [07:34] <@surkov> tbsaunde: if we don't have a lot of cases then we can go with longer way
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  64. # [07:36] <@tbsaunde> surkov: ok, sort of hope we don't have to many
  65. # [07:36] <@tbsaunde> since it means you are in a case where you don't not what document you deal with
  66. # [07:37] <@surkov> iirc few months ago we get rid many of them
  67. # [07:38] <@tbsaunde> surkov: yeah, sounds right
  68. # [07:38] <@tbsaunde> the accessible types stuff gets rid of some too
  69. # [07:39] <@tbsaunde> and so would having layout not call through the service if we could agree on way to do it :p
  70. # [07:41] <@firebot> trev.saunders@gmail.com granted review for attachment 667841 on bug 708927.
  71. # [07:41] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=708927 nor, --, mozilla18, surkov.alexander, REOP, Intermittent test_focus_menu.xul | Test timed out, sometimes followed by tens of thousands of gA11yE
  72. # [07:47] <@tbsaunde> surkov: anything else up?
  73. # [07:47] <@surkov> tbsaunde: seems no
  74. # [07:48] <@tbsaunde> ok, see you
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  101. # [13:13] <@firebot> bmo@edmorley.co.uk changed the Resolution on bug 768461 from --- to FIXED.
  102. # [13:13] <@firebot> bmo@edmorley.co.uk changed the Status on bug 768461 from NEW to RESOLVED.
  103. # [13:13] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=768461 nor, --, mozilla18, jkitch.bug, RESO FIXED, add Accessible::HasNumericValue() method
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  121. # [15:08] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 798310 filed by respindola@mozilla.com.
  122. # [15:08] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=798310 nor, --, ---, respindola, ASSI, Include Accessible-inl.h in nsMaiInterfaceTable.cpp
  123. # [15:13] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 798205 from --- to mozilla18.
  124. # [15:13] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=798205 nor, --, mozilla18, surkov.alexander, NEW, move ia2 files under ia2 directory
  125. # [15:17] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com granted review for attachment 668413 on bug 798310.
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  133. # [15:52] <@davidb> heyo
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  141. # [16:58] <@tbsaunde> davidb: morning, should be in soon as in before lunch
  142. # [17:01] <@davidb> tbsaunde: ok
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  164. # [20:15] <@davidb> hi hub
  165. # [20:15] <@davidb> hub: i'd like to mark that bug invalid based on your comment…. sound reasonable?
  166. # [20:16] <@davidb> or morph it
  167. # [20:16] <@hub> morph it more likely
  168. # [20:16] <@hub> the problem is that cellular data cost money
  169. # [20:16] <@hub> etc.
  170. # [20:16] <@hub> it is something that should really be specified
  171. # [20:16] <@davidb> ok
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  173. # [20:17] <@davidb> hub: are users aware this happens?
  174. # [20:18] <@hub> no
  175. # [20:18] <@hub> given that there are two conflicting use cases
  176. # [20:18] <@hub> the one were wifi is available and the one were wifi is rarely
  177. # [20:27] <@davidb> i already dislike that bug :)
  178. # [20:30] <@hub> I expect bikeshedding
  179. # [20:34] <@davidb> yeah
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  181. # [21:03] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 798492 filed by dbolter@mozilla.com.
  182. # [21:03] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=798492 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Deprecate/Remove our Windows MSAA BSTR accRole hack
  183. # [21:06] <@tbsaunde> davidb: ugh, wil that bikesheding ever end?
  184. # [21:06] <@davidb> tbsaunde: on that latest bug
  185. # [21:06] <@davidb> ?
  186. # [21:06] <@davidb> tbsaunde: i think the trick is to just get it behind a config option
  187. # [21:07] <@tbsaunde> davidb: yeah
  188. # [21:07] <@tbsaunde> I'd say the trick is too fight about something more useful
  189. # [21:12] <@davidb> that would require more isolation :)
  190. # [21:12] <@davidb> you should see all the bugs I don't file
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  195. # [21:18] <@tbsaunde> davidb: hu?
  196. # [21:18] <@tbsaunde> I'm not sure how it would mean iscolation
  197. # [21:19] <@tbsaunde> err, isolation
  198. # [21:20] <@tbsaunde> it just means spec groups should work on real issues
  199. # [21:24] <@davidb> tbsaunde: oh, by isolation I mean people not being able to ping me incessantly.
  200. # [21:25] <@davidb> but I'm happy to insulate the team
  201. # [21:25] <@davidb> yada yada blah blah
  202. # [21:26] <@davidb> anyways… MS have asked us not to do this quite a few times (the BSTR hack)
  203. # [21:26] <@tbsaunde> davidb: well, I'd claim somethings more fundimentally wrong if people keep pinging about this kind of minor junk
  204. # [21:26] <@tbsaunde> atleast when there are more serious issues to deal with
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  206. # [21:27] <@tbsaunde> as I'd claim there are for aria / a11y
  207. # [21:27] <@davidb> 100% absolutely, something is fundamentally wrong.
  208. # [21:28] <@davidb> This is a known issue with the spec group.
  209. # [21:28] <@davidb> I've complained, believe me.
  210. # [21:28] <@davidb> I'm pushing to the living spec model.
  211. # [21:29] <@davidb> The problem is that would give the existing players little to do.
  212. # [21:29] <@davidb> So it is a nuanced battle.
  213. # [21:30] <@tbsaunde> davidb: ok
  214. # [21:31] <@davidb> Another tricky thing is to avoid coming off as arrogant when I tell people I can't join in on some of the discussions or battles (which are places sane people go to die).
  215. # [21:34] <@tbsaunde> yeah, I guess that could be tricky
  216. # [21:35] <@tbsaunde> although I guess you could say here a problems x y and z that are related and big deals I'll discuss them instead
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  225. # [22:20] <@davidb> tbsaunde: yep I employ that technique often
  226. # [22:20] <@davidb> "why can't you fix my pet bug?!" "because we need to get out of the active volcano first"
  227. # [22:23] <@tbsaunde> haha
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  229. # [22:34] <@davidb> OK folks have a great weekend… and note we Canadians will be celebrating ThanksGiving on Monday.
  230. # [22:34] <@davidb> ciao!
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