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  16. # [02:19] <@surkov> hi, tbsaunde
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  24. # [04:05] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com changed the Assignee on bug 799133 from nobody@mozilla.org to surkov.alexander@gmail.com.
  25. # [04:05] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=799133 nor, --, ---, surkov.alexander, NEW, certain web sites miss focus event on reload
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  35. # [04:24] * Set by davidb on Tue Aug 07 15:29:32
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  41. # [05:27] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com changed the Assignee on bug 741408 from nobody@mozilla.org to surkov.alexander@gmail.com.
  42. # [05:27] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com requested review from trev.saunders@gmail .com for attachment 669388 on bug 741408.
  43. # [05:27] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 741408 from NEW to ASSIGNED.
  44. # [05:27] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=741408 nor, --, ---, surkov.alexander, ASSI, figure out a way to deal with accessibles with no content
  45. # [05:42] <@tbsaunde> surkov: hi
  46. # [05:42] <@surkov> tbsaunde: thanksgiving?
  47. # [05:42] <@tbsaunde> surkov: the canadaian one yes :)
  48. # [05:42] <@surkov> ok :)
  49. # [05:43] <@tbsaunde> surkov: what's up?
  50. # [05:44] <@surkov> tbsaunde: nothing specific, perhaps if you have time review bug 782991 to stop bleeding
  51. # [05:44] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=782991 cri, --, ---, surkov.alexander, NEW, Intermittent accessible/states/test_link.html | Test timed out, test_popup.xul | Can't get accessibl
  52. # [05:45] <@tbsaunde> surkov: ok
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  55. # [05:53] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com cancelled review?(trev.saunders@gmail .com) for attachment 669388 on bug 741408.
  56. # [05:53] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=741408 nor, --, ---, surkov.alexander, ASSI, figure out a way to deal with accessibles with no content
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  83. # [09:02] <@marcoz> Morning everyone!
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  90. # [09:45] <@surkov> hi, marcoz
  91. # [09:45] <@surkov> tbsaunde: here?
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  93. # [09:46] <@hub> surkov: it is a bit early for him
  94. # [09:46] <@hub> hi, btw
  95. # [09:46] <@surkov> hub: ok :)
  96. # [09:46] <@surkov> hi, hub
  97. # [09:46] <@hub> 3:35 AM
  98. # [09:46] <@surkov> what is your time?
  99. # [09:47] <@hub> 9:36 AM as I am in Paris :-)
  100. # [09:47] <@surkov> oh!
  101. # [09:47] <@hub> in PTO
  102. # [09:47] <@surkov> nice
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  104. # [09:59] <fxa|uni> Bonjour Hub :-)
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  109. # [10:28] <@tbsaunde> surkov: hey, what's up? (I'm having trouble getting back to sleep)
  110. # [10:28] <@tbsaunde> fxa|uni: hi?
  111. # [10:28] <@surkov> tbsaunde: a question, is there any reason that NativeRootAccessibleWrap is inherited from RootAccessible?
  112. # [10:29] <@tbsaunde> surkov: I don't think so
  113. # [10:29] <@surkov> tbsaunde: ok, thank you
  114. # [10:29] <@tbsaunde> np
  115. # [10:30] <@tbsaunde> I think all it needs to inherit is AccessibleWrap and that only so we can get a atkobject* out of it
  116. # [10:30] <@surkov> yes, or LeafAccessible for more comfort
  117. # [10:30] <@tbsaunde> it might just make sense to add some custom stuff to ApplicationAccessible[,Wrap] for atk
  118. # [10:31] <@surkov> like what?
  119. # [10:31] <@tbsaunde> just an array of native windows as atkobject*? I haven't really thought about it much
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  121. # [10:32] <@tbsaunde> sort of wanted to clean it up realated to the stuff on nsAccessibilityService for them, but never really seemed important
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  125. # [10:32] <@marcoz> Hi hub, surkov, tbsaunde!
  126. # [10:33] <@surkov> ok, I see
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  129. # [10:34] <@tbsaunde> surkov: I assume this is more related to accessibles with out content / accessible creation?
  130. # [10:34] <@surkov> it is
  131. # [10:35] <@surkov> I wanna finish this issue
  132. # [10:35] <@tbsaunde> ok :)
  133. # [10:35] <@tbsaunde> I'm curious to see what you do :)
  134. # [10:35] <@surkov> I think I'll file patch in few minutes
  135. # [10:35] <@surkov> one part of work
  136. # [10:38] <@tbsaunde> ok
  137. # [10:40] <@hub> hi
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  139. # [10:51] <Satdav> marcoz, can me yiu and ken arrange a meeting if possible
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  141. # [10:56] <@marcoz> satdav: About what? You know I don't like meetings.
  142. # [10:59] <Satdav> the website accessibility stuff
  143. # [11:02] <AndroUser2> :-)
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  149. # [11:15] <Satdav> marcoz, the new ux designer wants to meet with people
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  151. # [11:18] <@marcoz> Ah, so I need to meet with that new UX designer, then. Well if that guy or gal is an employee, they know where to find me if they *really* want to meet.
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  153. # [11:34] <fxa> Sorry It was me I steal your sandwich :-P
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  168. # [14:25] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com requested review from trev.saunders@gmail .com for attachment 669493 on bug 741408.
  169. # [14:25] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=741408 nor, --, ---, surkov.alexander, ASSI, figure out a way to deal with accessibles with no content
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  185. # [15:37] <@davidb> heyo
  186. # [15:37] <@davidb> hi MarcoZ!
  187. # [15:37] <@davidb> hi surkov!
  188. # [15:37] <@davidb> all!
  189. # [15:37] <@surkov> hi, davidb
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  191. # [15:37] <@davidb> surkov: thanks for replying to Rich's reports so swiftly, I was taking a real 3 day weekend.
  192. # [15:38] <@davidb> MarcoZ: good holiday?
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  194. # [15:43] <@marcoz> Hi davidb!
  195. # [15:43] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 741408 from ASSIGNED to NEW.
  196. # [15:43] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 741408 from --- to mozilla14.
  197. # [15:43] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=741408 nor, --, mozilla14, surkov.alexander, NEW, figure out a way to deal with accessibles with no content
  198. # [15:44] <@marcoz> davidb: Yes! Holiday went totally different than expected, since Petra got sick three days into our vacation trip, and we decided to head home because she felt more comfortable that way. But it was still fantastic.
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  200. # [15:44] <@davidb> Ouch. Well glad you adapted to circumstance well.
  201. # [15:45] <@davidb> Good to have you back :)
  202. # [15:45] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 741408 from NEW to ASSIGNED.
  203. # [15:45] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 741408 from mozilla14 to ---.
  204. # [15:45] <@marcoz> davidb: The start into the work routine, however, couldn't have been worse. I am usually not one to complain about Mondays. But this past Monday has the potential to be the most sucky Monday I've *ever* had. LDAP had locked me out since both reminders and final death notice fell into the three week period. Menus on Firefox for Android are totally broken….
  205. # [15:45] <@marcoz> …and have been for ten days without anybody noticing.
  206. # [15:45] <@davidb> nightly?
  207. # [15:46] <@davidb> nothing on eyes-free list?
  208. # [15:46] <@marcoz> davidb: Yes, nightly, and I only saw it on Jelly Bean. bug 799043.
  209. # [15:46] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=799043 cri, --, ---, sriram, NEW, Accessibility for menu completely broken, only see a fraction of menu items
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  212. # [15:48] <@davidb> surkov, tbsaunde, just curious, do you guys plan to eventually remove the 'Get' prefix for all our getters?
  213. # [15:50] <@surkov> davidb: seems so
  214. # [15:50] <@surkov> davidb: that's what tbsaunde suggested a while ago
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  217. # [15:50] <@davidb> yeah i saw it start happening a long time ago, just seems odd to me
  218. # [15:51] <@davidb> but it is a bike shed topic probably
  219. # [15:51] <@marcoz> I *hate* aria-hidden ! Everybody whines about us trying to get rid of it, but nobody comes up with a fucking consistent example!
  220. # [15:51] <@davidb> MarcoZ: I guess we don't have any bug reporters using nightly.
  221. # [15:51] <@davidb> MarcoZ: who is whining now? Oh I bet Victor?
  222. # [15:52] <@marcoz> davidb: The accessibility community and Bugzilla…..Two worlds collide.
  223. # [15:52] <@davidb> yeah heh
  224. # [15:53] <@marcoz> davidb: Yes, Victor, and a guy named Sam J. Don't know who he is. Twitter nick is @mixolydian .
  225. # [15:54] <@davidb> Well, I basically stand by bug 780888 comment 0
  226. # [15:54] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=780888 nor, --, ---, nobody, RESO WONTFIX, Actually prune the aria-hidden tree
  227. # [15:55] <@davidb> But I've had the same arguments so many times I am leaving it for sanity.
  228. # [15:55] <@davidb> I've argued both sides over 2 years I think.
  229. # [15:56] <@davidb> My conclusion is simply to be interoperable at least until it is shown dangerous in the wild.
  230. # [15:56] <@davidb> And to back Rich up on proposal to remove it.
  231. # [15:57] <@marcoz> Hehe, and if we do that, the example that Sam J. is wanting it for will simply fall apart.
  232. # [15:57] <@davidb> Sigh. Wonderful.
  233. # [15:58] <@davidb> ok inbox time
  234. # [15:58] * @marcoz shuts up. ;)
  235. # [15:58] <@davidb> heh
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  242. # [16:08] <@davidb> surkov: I'm not sure where that thread ended up (about the strange table cell)… was a bug filed?
  243. # [16:08] <@davidb> oh right mine
  244. # [16:08] <@surkov> davidb: you filed a bug a while aog
  245. # [16:08] <@davidb> yeah
  246. # [16:08] <@davidb> surkov: was comment 4 on bug 771521 correct?
  247. # [16:08] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=771521 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Ignore structurally inherited role="presentation" when element is interesting
  248. # [16:09] <@davidb> surkov: sorry I completely misunderstood your question in comment 1 in hindsight (having read your thread replies).
  249. # [16:10] <@davidb> that was my bad
  250. # [16:10] <@surkov> bugzilla doesn't open for me
  251. # [16:10] <@davidb> that is less than ideal
  252. # [16:12] <@davidb> surkov: so do you think we should expose with role of cell for Rich's case?
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  254. # [16:12] <@davidb> it wasn't completely clear to me if there was agreement on that
  255. # [16:12] <@surkov> davidb: I don't think so
  256. # [16:12] <@surkov> there's no agreement
  257. # [16:12] <@davidb> surkov: ok, fair enough, but does Rich realize that? :)
  258. # [16:13] <@surkov> davidb: he didn't answered my last email
  259. # [16:13] <@davidb> not sure I saw that
  260. # [16:15] <@surkov> davidb: it's started by words: "I agreed that global attributes wins over presentation role but here my concern is the cell accessible out of table context doesn't make any sense. It seems this example doesn't make a difference from examples like:"
  261. # [16:16] <@davidb> surkov: ah okay yes, I didn't see an answer to that, but I wonder if Rich is now conflating your agreement on the list item example somehow.
  262. # [16:16] <@surkov> yeah, they are in the same thread due to some reason
  263. # [16:16] <@surkov> davidb: can you figure it out?
  264. # [16:16] <@davidb> surkov: I'll try.
  265. # [16:17] <@surkov> thy
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  272. # [16:45] <@davidb> MarcoZ: PM ping :)
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  279. # [17:08] <@marcoz> davidb: Sorry, saw it too late.
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  286. # [17:52] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com cancelled review?(trev.saunders@gmail .com) for attachment 669493 on bug 741408.
  287. # [17:52] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com requested review from trev.saunders@gmail .com for attachment 669559 on bug 741408.
  288. # [17:52] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=741408 nor, --, ---, surkov.alexander, ASSI, figure out a way to deal with accessibles with no content
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  290. # [18:09] <@davidb> bah, yammer tricked me into inviting you guys to join (tbsaunde, MarcoZ, hub, eeejay, surkov)
  291. # [18:10] <@davidb> ignore if you already signed up
  292. # [18:11] <@hub> davidb: worse. I told them to never email me again
  293. # [18:11] <@davidb> ok extra sorry to you then
  294. # [18:11] <@davidb> hub: hey you're on PTO!
  295. # [18:12] <@davidb> MarcoZ: can you try the stub installer for a11y?
  296. # [18:12] <@davidb> if you haven't already
  297. # [18:13] <@marcoz> davidb: The stub installer is on my plate! :)
  298. # [18:13] <@davidb> ok
  299. # [18:17] <@marcoz> Meeting announcement sent.
  300. # [18:17] <@davidb> groovy
  301. # [18:19] * @davidb dials into browser call
  302. # [18:21] <@hub> davidb: yes I am
  303. # [18:22] <@davidb> :)
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  305. # [18:30] <@firebot> dbolter@mozilla.com changed the Assignee on bug 798492 from nobody@mozilla.org to dbolter@mozilla.com.
  306. # [18:30] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=798492 nor, --, ---, dbolter, NEW, Deprecate/Remove our Windows MSAA BSTR accRole hack
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  311. # [19:29] <@firebot> trev.saunders@gmail.com granted review for attachment 669052 on bug 782991.
  312. # [19:29] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=782991 cri, --, ---, surkov.alexander, NEW, Intermittent accessible/states/test_link.html | Test timed out, test_popup.xul | Can't get accessibl
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  322. # [19:54] * Set by davidb on Tue Aug 07 15:29:32
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  324. # [19:59] <@firebot> trev.saunders@gmail.com granted review for attachment 669033 on bug 745788.
  325. # [19:59] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=745788 nor, --, ---, surkov.alexander, ASSI, Intermittent a11y/accessible/treeupdate/test_imagemap.html | Test timed out
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  328. # [20:28] <@davidb> eeejay: http://143th.net/post/32874476488/transferable-objects-for-ff
  329. # [20:29] <eeejay> davidb, my local branch is using it already!
  330. # [20:29] <@davidb> \o/
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  344. # [23:58] <@firebot> jruderman@gmail.com changed the Component on bug 615740 from Keyboard: Navigation to Editor.
  345. # [23:58] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=615740 maj, P1, ---, nobody, UNCO, Ctrl-Shift-Arrow won't move the cursor in contenteditable regions.
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