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- # Session Start: Thu Oct 11 00:00:02 2012
- # Session Ident: #accessibility
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- # [04:28] <@surkov> tbsaunde: h
- # [04:28] <@surkov> hi
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- # [04:51] <@tbsaunde> surkov: hey
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- # [05:19] <@tbsaunde> surkov: what's up?
- # [05:19] <@surkov> tbsaunde: nothing specific actually
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- # [05:22] <@tbsaunde> surkov: ah
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- # [05:44] <@tbsaunde> surkov: wouldn't it make sense to rename the atk NativeRootAccessible thing?
- # [05:44] <@surkov> tbsaunde: I thougt about it but didn't come with nice name
- # [05:47] <@tbsaunde> surkov: how about GtkWindowAccessible or GtkDialogAccessible?
- # [05:50] <@surkov> tbsaunde: might be good
- # [05:51] <@tbsaunde> surkov: ok, well that's what there for so seems reasonable to me
- # [05:52] <@tbsaunde> surkov: any reason ApplicationAccessible isn't a DumbAccessible?
- # [05:53] <@surkov> tbsaunde: it seems this name is not nice enough for application accessible :)
- # [05:55] <@tbsaunde> surkov: I don't think I understand
- # [05:57] <@surkov> tbsaunde: application accessible is not a stab needed to connect with our tree, it provides name, manages its children, it's a real accessible
- # [06:00] <@tbsaunde> surkov: true, I guess it could be a problem in future if ApplicationAccessible wants to provide something real where DumbAccessible returns 0 always for a method if we mark that method as final, but otherwise I don't see the problem other than sort the description being a little weird
- # [06:03] <@tbsaunde> it seems silly if you have accessible method that only does something for accessible with content you need to override it in 2 places
- # [06:05] <@surkov> as I said the name is not well suitable for it :)
- # [06:07] <@tbsaunde> surkov: well, how you describe what its for sure
- # [06:07] <@tbsaunde> but it works and saves us crazy ness so I don't see why shouldn't live with a ackward description
- # [06:09] <@surkov> tbsaunde: we might rename that dumb accessible to something else
- # [06:10] <@tbsaunde> surkov: like what?
- # [06:11] <@surkov> tbsaunde: dunno, http://translate.google.com/?#ru/en/%D0%B7%D0%B0%D0%B3%D0%BB%D1%83%D1%88%D0%BA%D0%B0
- # [06:12] <@surkov> tbsaunde: btw, our dumb accessible is a leaf accessible
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- # [08:39] <fxa90id> surkov, hi
- # [08:39] <@surkov> fxa90id: hello
- # [08:39] <fxa90id> what should I update ?
- # [08:39] <fxa90id> my trunk ?
- # [08:42] <@surkov> fxa90id: unapply your patch and update sources
- # [08:42] <fxa90id> ok
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- # [08:59] <@firebot> michaljev@o2.pl requested review from surkov.alexander@gm ail.com for attachment 670275 on bug 739130.
- # [08:59] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=739130 nor, --, ---, michaljev, NEW, make GetDocumentNode() inline on nsDocAccessible
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- # [12:02] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com changed the Assignee on bug 637578 from nobody@mozilla.org to surkov.alexander@gmail.com.
- # [12:02] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com requested review from trev.saunders@gmail .com for attachment 670318 on bug 637578.
- # [12:02] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 637578 from NEW to ASSIGNED.
- # [12:02] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=637578 nor, --, ---, surkov.alexander, ASSI, Expose how accessible name was determined
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- # [14:52] <@marcoz> Hi all!
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- # [15:02] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com changed the Assignee on bug 740764 from nickyekaiqi@gmail.com to surkov.alexander@gmail.com.
- # [15:02] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=740764 nor, --, ---, surkov.alexander, NEW, Don't propagate ARIA attributes from iframe to document
- # [15:03] <@surkov> hi, marcoz
- # [15:11] <@marcoz> Hi surkov!
- # [15:19] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com requested review from trev.saunders@gmail .com for attachment 670368 on bug 740764.
- # [15:19] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=740764 nor, --, ---, surkov.alexander, NEW, Don't propagate ARIA attributes from iframe to document
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- # [15:34] <@davidb> heyo
- # [15:36] <@marcoz> Hi davidb!
- # [15:36] <@davidb> hi MarcoZ!
- # [15:37] <@marcoz> davidb: CSUN paper for Firefox OS presentation submitted this morning. The required "extended abstract" needed to be 500 words minimum. I felt like I put half our Firefox OS info in there to get to this number. :) Anyway, we'll see how it goes.
- # [15:38] <@davidb> I saw your tweet. It seems a silly requirement
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- # [15:39] <@marcoz> davidb: I couldn't agree more! I had what I had to say and what is important for people to decide whether they wanted to see this presentation, in half that number of words.
- # [15:40] <@marcoz> surkov: Thanks for morphing bug 771113 :)
- # [15:40] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=771113 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Implement Accessible::Attributes(const nsAString& aNames, nsAString& aValues)
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- # [15:53] <@marcoz> davidb: Stub installer works like a charm. This is now a true one-click install. Launch the stub, acknowledge the UAC dialog, be greeted by the welcome screen, hit Install. Download, install, and launch happen automatically. There is an options button, and all items read just fine.
- # [15:53] <@davidb> great
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- # [15:57] <fxa90id> Im baack :)
- # [16:04] * @tbsaunde mutters about c++'s typesystem
- # [16:04] <@tbsaunde> davidb: your wfh right?
- # [16:04] <@davidb> tbsaunde: nope
- # [16:05] <@davidb> I'm in the office
- # [16:05] <@tbsaunde> ah
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- # [16:05] <@marcoz> davidb: Why are we doing this stub installer thing? I mean it's Windows only, and today's bandwidths usually don't pose a problem downloading a 20 M file. Why this smaller footprint thing that then needs to download the rest anyway?
- # [16:05] <@tbsaunde> surkov: why doesn't the GetAttributes() function take the attribute to get as an atom?
- # [16:05] <@davidb> MarcoZ: it is based on hard data.
- # [16:06] <@marcoz> davidb: ?
- # [16:06] <@davidb> MarcoZ: there was data on cancelled downloads, when, etc.
- # [16:06] <@tbsaunde> davidb: that's so enlightening ;p
- # [16:07] <@tbsaunde> (re your first staement)
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- # [16:07] <@davidb> I'd only have my own hypotheses to offer.
- # [16:08] <@tbsaunde> marcoz: also probably more of an issue in third world and could in theory let us care about win64 someday if we choose to
- # [16:08] <@davidb> I heard there was data. I assume it was about cancelled downloads etc
- # [16:08] <@davidb> definitely true that not everyone has consistently fast internet speeds
- # [16:09] <@tbsaunde> man I might be turning into hub :-)
- # [16:09] <@tbsaunde> I was about to mutter about internet in canadia being crap
- # [16:10] <@davidb> i blame corp corruption
- # [16:12] <@marcoz> tbsaunde: hahah!
- # [16:12] <@tbsaunde> davidb: I haven't yet decided I think its time to call out the linch mob :)
- # [16:12] <@marcoz> davidb: Oh your guess may well be right there! :)
- # [16:12] <@marcoz> davidb: Somehow, briefly, this reminded me of an old Netscape installer that also did a stub and then downloaded the stuff one really needed. :)
- # [16:12] <@davidb> yeah I think the stub will definitely result in more completed downloads
- # [16:13] <@marcoz> It's definitely a nice experience, no superflous "finish" button to click, and overall feels very clean.
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- # [16:18] <@firebot> bmo@edmorley.co.uk changed the Resolution on bug 782991 from --- to FIXED.
- # [16:18] <@firebot> bmo@edmorley.co.uk changed the Status on bug 782991 from NEW to RESOLVED.
- # [16:18] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=782991 cri, --, mozilla18, surkov.alexander, NEW, Intermittent accessible/states/test_link.html | Test timed out, test_popup.xul | Can't get accessibl
- # [16:19] <@firebot> bmo@edmorley.co.uk changed the Resolution on bug 745788 from --- to FIXED.
- # [16:19] <@firebot> bmo@edmorley.co.uk changed the Status on bug 745788 from ASSIGNED to RESOLVED.
- # [16:19] <@firebot> bmo@edmorley.co.uk changed the Target Milestone on bug 745788 from mozilla18 to mozilla19.
- # [16:19] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=745788 nor, --, mozilla19, surkov.alexander, RESO FIXED, Intermittent a11y/accessible/treeupdate/test_imagemap.html | Test timed out
- # [16:21] <@hub> tbsaunde: you just start to understand my feelings
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- # [16:22] <@marcoz> Nice to see these intermittent oranges fixed!
- # [16:23] <@surkov> tbsaunde: are you about 771113?
- # [16:25] <@davidb> marco, surkov: can you do a quick sanity check on the role changes in my WIP on bug 798492?
- # [16:25] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=798492 nor, --, ---, dbolter, NEW, Deprecate/Remove our Windows MSAA BSTR accRole hack
- # [16:25] <@tbsaunde> surkov: yeah, I guess that's the number
- # [16:26] <@surkov> tbsaunde: I'm thinking it'd be nice if it gets set of attributes
- # [16:26] <@surkov> tbsaunde: but we can keep those separate
- # [16:26] <@davidb> yeah, could do both
- # [16:29] <@marcoz> davidb: Looking....
- # [16:31] <@surkov> tbsaunde: I need your review for bug 799133, it's simple
- # [16:31] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=799133 nor, --, ---, surkov.alexander, NEW, certain web sites miss focus event on reload
- # [16:31] <@surkov> and it's first in my queue
- # [16:31] <@tbsaunde> surkov: ok
- # [16:32] <@tbsaunde> surkov: what's wrong with just having multiple calls?
- # [16:32] <@tbsaunde> or maybe I guess the xpcom api can be a string and internally we use an array of atoms
- # [16:32] <@surkov> tbsaunde: out of process calls
- # [16:33] <@davidb> it shouldn't be a deciding factor, but telemetry for different calls would be interesting
- # [16:34] <@tbsaunde> surkov: it seems that should be delt with in ia2 layer
- # [16:34] <@tbsaunde> it could just call the internal method in a loop for each thing in the list
- # [16:35] <@surkov> tbsaunde: ok
- # [16:35] <@tbsaunde> or we could do the array thing, but I think loop sounds nicer
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- # [16:37] <@marcoz> davidb: They look fine to me.
- # [16:38] <@davidb> ok ty
- # [16:39] <@tbsaunde> surkov: I wonder if we can somehow return the attribute value through a callback instead of as a string
- # [16:39] <@tbsaunde> but I don't think there's anything nice
- # [16:39] <@surkov> tbsaunde: why?
- # [16:40] <@tbsaunde> surkov: well, for one thing preserving type information so you can have attribute value as int
- # [16:41] <@surkov> I see, maybe later
- # [16:41] <@tbsaunde> which might allow saving islly computations for example we create internal utf16 string value then atk converts to utf8 iirc
- # [16:41] <@tbsaunde> yeah, I think it becomes easy once we kill gcc 4.4
- # [16:42] <@davidb> hub: congrats on Bug 777185
- # [16:42] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=777185 nor, --, ---, hub, NEW, Hook up content process crash reporting for B2G
- # [16:42] <@hub> davidb: thanks
- # [16:42] <@surkov> tbsaunde: sure it makes sense, btw, I suggested to use variant for iA2 for the same purpose :)
- # [16:42] <@hub> I need to do a double landing
- # [16:43] <@davidb> hub: you need aurora approval right?
- # [16:43] <@davidb> i didn't read the b2g landing mechanics wiki yet
- # [16:44] <@hub> davidb: no. I just need a basecamp-approval (automatic with the flag) and make sure I have a green
- # [16:44] <@hub> but this is b2g specifc code so we are good
- # [16:44] <@davidb> ok cool
- # [16:49] <@tbsaunde> surkov: ugh, those printfs :(
- # [16:49] <@surkov> :)
- # [16:49] <@surkov> more logging, sorry
- # [16:57] <@davidb> gotta reboot
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- # [16:58] <@firebot> trev.saunders@gmail.com granted review for attachment 669171 on bug 799133.
- # [16:58] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=799133 nor, --, ---, surkov.alexander, NEW, certain web sites miss focus event on reload
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- # [17:42] <@davidb> tbsaunde: fwiw i have a lunch date with my sister.
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- # [18:28] <@firebot> trev.saunders@gmail.com cancelled review?(trev.saunders@gmail .com) for attachment 668753 on bug 761901.
- # [18:28] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=761901 nor, --, ---, jkitch.bug, NEW, HTML5 progress accessible should fire value change event
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- # [18:50] <satdav> davidb, was wondering if i can use the accessibility room once a month for website accessibility meetings
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- # [19:37] <satdav> davidb, ping
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- # [20:14] <satdav> hub, do you remmeber the one mozilla meetings
- # [20:20] <@davidb> satdav: pong
- # [20:20] <@davidb> satdav: you can use the room -sure
- # [20:20] <satdav> OK
- # [20:21] <satdav> davidb, was wondering if you know anything about getting the one mozilla guide changed
- # [20:21] <@davidb> satdav: nope
- # [20:21] <satdav> I am on about the grow mozilla guides
- # [20:21] <satdav> for the websites
- # [20:21] <@davidb> i don't know the history of future of the one mozills guide
- # [20:22] <@davidb> cool, I hope you can make good impact :)
- # [20:22] <satdav> well i am trying to get them changed
- # [20:22] <satdav> to make them a bit easier to read for sites
- # [20:22] <satdav> like the mozilla footers
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- # [20:27] <@davidb> ok
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- # [20:44] <@tbsaunde> davidb: any chance you understand the name tests? past the fact its some crzy xml setup?
- # [20:44] <@davidb> tbsaunde: i fully understood them once, and after careful meditation I presume I could again.
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- # [20:45] <satdav> davidb, been asked if we have got any website tests for people to do accessibility wise
- # [20:47] <@tbsaunde> davidb: want to review the changes to them in bug 637578 ?
- # [20:47] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=637578 nor, --, ---, surkov.alexander, ASSI, Expose how accessible name was determined
- # [20:51] <@davidb> tbsaunde: you could re-request me yeah
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- # [20:51] <@davidb> i need to find a space of time
- # [20:52] <@davidb> satdav: we don't have anything written down, but worth asking MarcoZ when you see him.
- # [20:52] <satdav> OK
- # [20:52] <satdav> is their anyone else
- # [20:52] <satdav> I got told someone else does it
- # [20:52] <@davidb> just community people, like Steve Faulkner
- # [20:53] <@davidb> maybe Steven Donner?
- # [20:53] <@davidb> sorry Stephen Donner
- # [20:53] <@davidb> he's good, works for QA
- # [20:54] <@tbsaunde> davidb: ok, maybe I'll just consume some boose and try and deal with it tonight
- # [20:54] <@tbsaunde> then
- # [20:56] <@davidb> i don't mind taking it off your plate
- # [20:56] <@davidb> but use the flags if you want me to
- # [20:56] * @davidb has enough book keeping
- # [21:00] <satdav> dont know steve faulkner
- # [21:00] <satdav> steven donner recommends marcoz
- # [21:00] <@davidb> yep that's right.
- # [21:00] <@davidb> anyone in accessibility eventually knows Steve Faulkner
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- # [21:08] <@davidb> crap… gotta be home by 4 before a meeting
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- # [21:13] <satdav_> what meeting
- # [21:13] <satdav_> also you going to the channel one today david
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- # [21:46] <satdav> hub, ping
- # [21:47] <satdav> do you have moderator on the accessibility vidyo room
- # [21:50] <@eeejay> https://hacks.mozilla.org/2012/10/accessibility-features-in-firefox-on-android/
- # [21:51] <satdav> eeejay, you free at 3pm pst
- # [21:51] <@eeejay> satdav, no
- # [21:51] <satdav> or hub as need someone to come along from accessibility
- # [21:51] <satdav> also
- # [21:51] <satdav> i will be their but would be good for someone else
- # [21:51] <satdav> tbsaunde, what about your self
- # [22:01] <@tbsaunde> no, goto run out
- # [22:04] <satdav> OK
- # [22:05] <satdav> it was just regarding websites i know icaaq does them i believe also
- # [22:05] <satdav> so may ask him to join
- # [22:05] <satdav> icaaq, ping
- # [22:05] <icaaq> satdav: pong
- # [22:07] <satdav> icaaq, was speaking to the guys at #www and said you do the website accessibility
- # [22:10] <icaaq> satdav: well, I have done some things to make it better, yes. but i'm just a contributor :)
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- # [22:10] <icaaq> but was there a question or something :)
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- # [22:11] <satdav> well what you doing at 3pm pst
- # [22:12] <icaaq> hmm, I need to look up what time that is going to be here
- # [22:14] <satdav> icaaq, what time one you in
- # [22:14] <icaaq> it's 2200 here now
- # [22:15] <icaaq> so it's like 2h away from now?
- # [22:15] <satdav> midnight their
- # [22:15] <satdav> as i am gmt -1
- # [22:15] <satdav> aka uk
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- # [22:17] <icaaq> ok, then I've probably been looking at two episodes of sons of anarchy and cannot sleep anyway. what's happening at 3pm?
- # [22:18] <satdav> 3pm pst whats midnight for you I am having a meeting with jslater
- # [22:18] <satdav> if you want to join about the mozilla themes
- # [22:18] <satdav> for sites
- # [22:19] <icaaq> ok, cool
- # [22:20] <satdav> will pm yu
- # [22:50] <satdav> https://etherpad.mozilla.org/5hzTjgxGct
- # [22:50] <satdav> isthe ehterpad for the meeting
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- # [23:14] <icaaq> satdav: there are sme bugs regarding SUMO and a11y, should I post them on the etherpad?
- # [23:14] <satdav> if you want
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- # [23:17] <satdav> icaaq, post them on the etherpad
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- # [23:50] <@firebot> trev.saunders@gmail.com requested review from dbolter@mozilla.com for attachment 670318 on bug 637578.
- # [23:50] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=637578 nor, --, ---, surkov.alexander, ASSI, Expose how accessible name was determined
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- # [23:56] <satdav> icaaq, ping
- # [23:56] <icaaq> satdav: thanks
- # [23:56] <satdav> eeejay, is trev saunders anything to do with ken
- # [23:57] <satdav> icaaq, its still 10 minutes to go
- # [23:57] <satdav> but i am giving you notice
- # [23:57] <icaaq> ok
- # Session Close: Fri Oct 12 00:00:00 2012
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