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  1. # Session Start: Thu Oct 25 00:00:00 2012
  2. # Session Ident: #accessibility
  3. # [00:02] <@firebot> New Core - Keyboard: Navigation bug 805218 filed by mozbugs.retornam@gmail.com.
  4. # [00:03] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=805218 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Typing CMD +A in a multiple select box does not select all options
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  12. # [01:25] <@firebot> bbajaj@mozilla.com granted approval-mozilla-aurora for attachment 672086 on bug 802415.
  13. # [01:25] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=802415 nor, --, mozilla19, eitan, VERI FIXED, [AccessFu] Introduce better feedback when switching tabs and focusing on content area.
  14. # [01:28] <@firebot> bbajaj@mozilla.com granted approval-mozilla-aurora for attachment 672993 on bug 803327.
  15. # [01:28] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=803327 nor, --, mozilla19, eitan, RESO FIXED, [AccessFu] No window is passed to Presenter.viewportChanged()
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  25. # [04:15] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com requested in-testsuite from the wind on bug 782547.
  26. # [04:15] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com changed the Resolution on bug 782547 from --- to FIXED.
  27. # [04:15] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 782547 from ASSIGNED to RESOLVED.
  28. # [04:15] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 782547 from --- to mozilla19.
  29. # [04:15] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=782547 nor, --, mozilla19, enndeakin, RESO FIXED, Accessible focus not fired after dismissing modal OS dialogs (e.g. file chooser and print dialogs)
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  53. # [09:47] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com changed the Resolution on bug 428950 from --- to INCOMPLETE.
  54. # [09:47] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 428950 from ASSIGNED to RESOLVED.
  55. # [09:47] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=428950 nor, --, ---, marco.zehe, RESO INCOMPLETE, [Meta] nsIAccessible interface Mochitests tracking bug
  56. # [09:49] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com changed the Resolution on bug 519969 from --- to WORKSFORME.
  57. # [09:49] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 519969 from NEW to RESOLVED.
  58. # [09:49] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=519969 nor, P4, ---, nobody, RESO WORKSFORME, Consider initiating some automated tests on doc load only
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  68. # [11:32] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 805373 filed by surkov.alexander@gmail.com.
  69. # [11:32] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=805373 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, don't expose explicit-name on unintentional empty name accessible
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  102. # [15:47] <@davidb> heyo!
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  107. # [16:24] <Stevef> davidb: you said the other day that you wouldn't inlcude author advice on using role=main in main element spec, why?
  108. # [16:25] <@davidb> Stevef: i think putting <main role='main'> in front of people will make them sad.
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  110. # [16:26] <icaaq> it is used a lot right now on eg <nav role="navigation">
  111. # [16:26] <Stevef> well its a reality that none of the new html5 structural elements are well supported across browsers, so providing realistic advice is useful
  112. # [16:29] <@davidb> Stevef: the words you say are true
  113. # [16:29] <Stevef> davidb: on another note was discussing the html5 outline algorithm with whatwg people, are there any plans to implment the outline alogrothm so that heading levels are not based on the heading semantic form the element name, but rather the nesting of the hx element in sectioning elements?
  114. # [16:30] <@davidb> i'm not in that loop at all (yet) - do you want me to inquire?
  115. # [16:30] <@davidb> i think our engineers would like to have that chat in whatwg land
  116. # [16:31] <Stevef> davidb: there is no indication from whatg land that the outline algrothm is going to be implemnted in browsers, but I was intsretsed in the accessibility mapping effects
  117. # [16:32] <@davidb> i wish i could focus on this channel right now :(
  118. # [16:32] <Stevef> for example: <body><section><h3></secton> should be mapped as h2 in acc mapping
  119. # [16:32] <@davidb> Stevef: nesting is generally good for a11y… unfortunately i'm coming in mostly green on the outline discussion
  120. # [16:33] <@davidb> oh, is there somewhere i can read later?
  121. # [16:33] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com changed the Assignee on bug 805373 from nobody@mozilla.org to surkov.alexander@gmail.com.
  122. # [16:33] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com requested review from trev.saunders@gmail .com for attachment 675112 on bug 805373.
  123. # [16:33] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 805373 from NEW to ASSIGNED.
  124. # [16:33] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=805373 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, don't expose explicit-name on unintentional empty name accessible
  125. # [16:34] <Stevef> davidb: http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/headings-and-sections.html#outline
  126. # [16:35] <Stevef> davidb: i get the message, stop annoying you with my pet interests ;-)
  127. # [16:35] <@davidb> Stevef: you can always ping me… i just feel bad i can't focus on this ATM
  128. # [16:36] <@davidb> you are critical to the whole thing ya know.
  129. # [16:36] <Stevef> davidb: np nothing urgent just wondering
  130. # [16:36] <@davidb> ok
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  132. # [16:38] <@tbsaunde> Stevef: I haven't heard of that, but I'd worry about speed of determining the depth of a heading
  133. # [16:38] <@davidb> tbsaunde: yep
  134. # [16:39] <@tbsaunde> if that's what the author wants why can't they just use the right role in the first place?
  135. # [16:41] <Stevef> tbsaunde: chnaging the heading semantic based on section nesting is seen as a way to be backwrads compatible
  136. # [16:41] <Stevef> the spec actually encorages authros to use <h1> for every heading
  137. # [16:41] <@tbsaunde> Stevef: backward compatable with what?
  138. # [16:41] <@tbsaunde> I... see
  139. # [16:41] <@tbsaunde> why does it do that?
  140. # [16:42] <Stevef> tbsaunde: user agents that don't support the outline algorithm
  141. # [16:42] <Stevef> tbsuande: because if the algroithm is supported the heading level in the element is irrelevant
  142. # [16:44] <@surkov> hi, tbsaunde
  143. # [16:44] <Stevef> "Sections may contain headings of any rank, but authors are strongly encouraged to either use only h1 elements, or to use elements of the appropriate rank for the section's nesting level." http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/headings-and-sections.html#headings-and-sections
  144. # [16:44] <@tbsaunde> Stevef: then it doesn't sound like backwards compat for the browser to count the number of sections, it sounds like lets change this from the authors problem to the ua's
  145. # [16:44] <@tbsaunde> surkov: hi
  146. # [16:45] <@surkov> tbsaunde: please finish with bug 770564 (like filing gfb)
  147. # [16:45] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=770564 maj, --, mozilla19, trev.saunders, RESO FIXED, The more text in a textarea, the more time it takes to update the content
  148. # [16:46] <Stevef> tbsaunde: may be, but as yet no browser implementers have shown any interest in adding it, which is why its an at risk feature in HTML5
  149. # [16:46] <@tbsaunde> surkov: yeah, ok, it was already in the queue
  150. # [16:46] <@surkov> tbsaunde: ok, cool, thanks!
  151. # [16:47] <@tbsaunde> Stevef: I want to read the outline algo bit first, but it sounds like a mis feature
  152. # [16:48] <Stevef> tbsaunde:OK will look forward to your thoughts on it
  153. # [16:48] <@davidb> surkov: wow
  154. # [16:48] <@davidb> surkov: mid air collided on bug 804040 with same question.
  155. # [16:48] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=804040 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Selection event not fired when selection of ARIA tab changes
  156. # [16:48] <@davidb> that's slightly creepy
  157. # [16:52] <@davidb> eeejay: please ping me when you're in
  158. # [16:53] <@davidb> tbsaunde: BTW hub should be in the Toronto office on Monday.
  159. # [16:55] <@tbsaunde> davidb: ack
  160. # [16:56] <@davidb> oh and I'm WFH today
  161. # [16:58] <@tbsaunde> davidb: ok
  162. # [17:01] <@tbsaunde> Stevef: yeah, that doesn't look terribly useful, and I'm not a fan of the implicitness, but if DOM people really want to do it and promise to make finding out what section a node is in fast I guess I don't really object
  163. # [17:02] <@davidb> surkov: imagine if tbsaunde saw our old find interesting neighbour code in accessible creation :)
  164. # [17:02] <Stevef> tbsaunde: as I said there does not appear to be any momentum on implementing it in browsers
  165. # [17:03] <Stevef> tbsaunde: but JAWS has attempted to implement, but doesn't work well...
  166. # [17:05] <@tbsaunde> Stevef: ok
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  170. # [17:54] <@davidb> surkov: you turn your clock back an hour on sunday?
  171. # [17:58] <@surkov> davidb: it seems no, https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!topic/mozilla.dev.planning/21Ik7dZqitg
  172. # [17:59] <@davidb> heh
  173. # [17:59] <@davidb> aha
  174. # [17:59] <@davidb> excludes
  175. # [18:00] <@davidb> sigh, i might really need a new prescription (glasses)
  176. # [18:00] <@davidb> not complaining!
  177. # [18:20] <eeejay> davidb, hey
  178. # [18:20] <@davidb> eeejay: hey, so I'm gonna PM you about a FF OS rfp
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  191. # [18:47] * Set by davidb on Tue Aug 07 15:29:32
  192. # [18:49] <@firebot> trev.saunders@gmail.com granted review for attachment 675112 on bug 805373.
  193. # [18:49] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=805373 nor, --, ---, surkov.alexander, ASSI, don't expose explicit-name on unintentional empty name accessible
  194. # [19:00] <@firebot> trev.saunders@gmail.com granted review for attachment 674101 on bug 612830.
  195. # [19:00] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=612830 nor, --, ---, surkov.alexander, ASSI, make HTML document accessible work even when there's no body
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  202. # [19:51] <@davidb> hi capella
  203. # [19:51] <@davidb> surkov: ^
  204. # [19:51] <capella> hola!
  205. # [19:51] <capella> wow! sawrubhh is in here ! (He's everywhere he's everywhere!)
  206. # [19:52] <capella> surkov: still awake?
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  208. # [19:53] <capella> davidb: sorry it took so long to check in!
  209. # [19:54] <@davidb> naw
  210. # [19:54] <@davidb> bon appetite!
  211. # [19:54] <capella> k - ill be around
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  218. # [20:26] <bz> anyone around?
  219. # [20:29] <khuey> sure
  220. # [20:29] <khuey> :-P
  221. # [20:29] <bz> meh
  222. # [20:29] <@davidb> bz: hi
  223. # [20:30] <bz> davidb: I was wondering about the QI impl of nsAccessNode
  224. # [20:30] <@davidb> oh you probably want tbsaunde
  225. # [20:30] <bz> davidb: is there a reason it doesn't QI to nsISupports?
  226. # [20:30] <@davidb> that was a recent change right?
  227. # [20:30] * bz has no idea
  228. # [20:30] * @davidb digs
  229. # [20:34] * @davidb finds bug 672507
  230. # [20:34] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=672507 nor, --, mozilla13, trev.saunders, RESO FIXED, merge nsIAccessNode and nsIAccessible
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  232. # [20:43] <@tbsaunde> davidb: hi
  233. # [20:43] * @tbsaunde reads backscroll
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  235. # [20:44] <@tbsaunde> bz: afaik not really
  236. # [20:46] <@tbsaunde> bz: so it looks like all accessibles don't qi to nsISupports
  237. # [20:47] <@davidb> back in 40 mins
  238. # [20:47] <bz> tbsaunde: that's ... very odd behavior. ;)
  239. # [20:48] <@tbsaunde> bz: true :)
  240. # [20:48] <@tbsaunde> but I guess nobody ever cared until you did
  241. # [20:48] <@tbsaunde> note that it *might* work on windows because of the fun with mscom and xpcom interfaces on the same object
  242. # [20:50] <@tbsaunde> bz: would you like accessibles to qi to nsISupports? that should be fine I think, but need to think through what mscom stuff it might effect
  243. # [20:55] <@tbsaunde> so long as as we don't break windows, and js can ask thinks about accessibles I'm cool with pretty much any change to the xpcom goop
  244. # [20:56] <bz> tbsaunde: it's not affecting me directly; I just found it by code inspection
  245. # [20:56] <@tbsaunde> bz: ah
  246. # [20:58] <@tbsaunde> if you don't care then I don't care very much either
  247. # [21:05] <bz> ok
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