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  39. # [08:28] <@firebot> jamie@nvaccess.org changed the Status on bug 805373 from RESOLVED to VERIFIED.
  40. # [08:28] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=805373 nor, --, mozilla19, surkov.alexander, VERI FIXED, don't expose explicit-name on unintentional empty name accessible
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  63. # [11:45] <Stevef> surkov: good feedback on ARIA spec have pointed PF and rich at it
  64. # [11:50] <Stevef> surkov: see rih's response...
  65. # [11:50] <@surkov> Stevef: yes, it's sort of expected
  66. # [11:50] <@surkov> I didn't want to blame anyone, just something is broken
  67. # [11:53] <Stevef> surkov: sure, co-ordination needs to happen...
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  71. # [12:28] <Tad> hm
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  79. # [13:51] <@marcoz> Good morning hub! Welcome to the east coast! :)
  80. # [13:55] <@hub> marcoz: thanks
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  83. # [14:25] <@firebot> francesco.infante@aol.com changed the Assignee on bug 786553 from francesco.infante@aol.com to nobody@mozilla.org.
  84. # [14:25] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=786553 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, aria-relevant should be mapped to object attributes
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  88. # [14:45] <@marcoz> Heyo davidb!
  89. # [14:45] <@davidb> heyo!
  90. # [14:45] <@davidb> marcoz: how was it?
  91. # [14:50] <@marcoz> davidb: It was great! Lots of love from the community for what we do. Firefox for Android and Firefox OS accessibility development is really appreciated and my demo received a very warm welcome.
  92. # [14:50] <@marcoz> One participant also had an idea for a session at next year's event: Themes for Firefox OS. :)
  93. # [14:51] <@marcoz> davidb: But the train rides were looooong, and because of the failing of a hotel front desk lady, we almost missed our train home on Saturday. Almost. We had to really run across the whole station to catch it.
  94. # [14:54] <mwcampbell> marcoz: What did you demo?
  95. # [14:55] <@marcoz> davidb: Firefox OS and Firefox for Android are really seen as an enrichment of the mobile browser landscape, esp when it comes to accessible ones. So: Mission accomplished to further the knowledge of others of what we do and stand for.
  96. # [14:55] <@marcoz> mwcampbell: Firefox for Android. I didn't get a device to also demo Firefox OS.
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  98. # [14:58] <@marcoz> davidb: Seen surkov's blog post? http://asurkov.blogspot.ru/2012/10/aria-payback.html
  99. # [14:59] <@davidb> marcoz: yeah it is sadface
  100. # [14:59] <@davidb> looks like Rich is furious and turning it on me
  101. # [15:00] <@marcoz> davidb: Let's talk about it on Skype. :) 1:1 time almost up.
  102. # [15:00] <@davidb> heh ok
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  104. # [15:07] <mwcampbell> How is the work on Firefox accessibility for Mac going?
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  106. # [15:09] <@hub> mwcampbell: it has slowed down.
  107. # [15:09] <@hub> mwcampbell: do you have any specific issue in mind?
  108. # [15:10] <mwcampbell> No, just wanted to get an idea of how complete it is.
  109. # [15:10] <mwcampbell> Has Mac accessibility support made it into a release build yet?
  110. # [15:12] <@hub> only beta AFAIK
  111. # [15:12] <mwcampbell> doh, Chrome is still ahead on that front then :(
  112. # [15:12] <@hub> that's because chrome benefit from the work done in Safari
  113. # [15:13] <mwcampbell> right
  114. # [15:13] <mwcampbell> Actually what I'm more interested in is the feasibility of using XULRunner as a cross-platform toolkit.
  115. # [15:14] <mwcampbell> AFAIK XULRunner is built in parallel with Firefox, even if XULRunner as a toolkit for third-party developers doesn't get much attention.
  116. # [15:14] <@hub> i'm not sure xulrunner as a toolkit is really supported anymore
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  118. # [15:23] <mwcampbell> Has TTS been implemented for Firefox OS yet? If so, where does that fit in the architecture? In Gecko or Gonk?
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  121. # [15:31] <@hub> mwcampbell: we had a semi-working prototype for that, but I'm not sure it is in the tree.
  122. # [15:31] <@hub> eeejay would know better, but he is likely asleep at the moment (pacific timezone)
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  124. # [15:39] <@marcoz> mwcampbell: Basic VoiceOver support is in the Firefox 16 release.
  125. # [15:39] <@marcoz> mwcampbell: Oh and I would indeed not count on XULRunner too much TBH.
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  127. # [15:47] <@hub> marcoz: ah right, I was stuck on it being in 17
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  136. # [16:17] <@davidb> tbsaunde: i'm in the meeting room if you'd like to meet
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  144. # [16:45] <@marcoz> So, Freedom Scientific really got their asses whipped by the U.S. patent office. http://www.gwmicro.com/News_&_Events/Latest_News/?newsNo=266 What a waste of money that could've been used to make better products instead!
  145. # [16:50] <mwcampbell> marcoz: As Chris Hofstader likes to say, innovate, don't litigate.
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  149. # [17:37] <@marcoz> eeejay: Good morning! Good news bit: None of the stuff that gave us trouble on Nightly and Aurora has made it into 17 beta. The beta downloaded from the Play Store works fine on JB.
  150. # [17:38] <@eeejay> marcoz, great! How was Vienna?
  151. # [17:40] <@marcoz> eeejay: It was great! Our work on mobile accessibility has been very well received! I demoed Nightly on the NEXUS 7 and showed how seamless the integration is. Brought up a big round of applause. :)
  152. # [17:40] <@eeejay> i have a bad internet connection, so i might sign in and out. having a technicial come and look at it soon.
  153. # [17:40] <@eeejay> marcoz, fantastic :)
  154. # [17:42] <@marcoz> It was! And Firefox OS, the motives behind it really inspired trust in us to do the right thing. So, let's continue to kick ass! :)
  155. # [17:45] <@hub> hey eeejay
  156. # [17:45] <@eeejay> hey hub
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  158. # [17:51] <mwcampbell> eeejay: How is TTS implemented on Firefox OS? Or have you guys not gotten to that yet?
  159. # [17:52] <@eeejay> mwcampbell, there is an outstanding patch that didn't get any feedback yet
  160. # [17:52] <@eeejay> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=687879
  161. # [17:52] <@firebot> Bug 687879 nor, --, ---, eitan, NEW, Expose platform's text to speech functionality
  162. # [17:57] <mwcampbell> eeejay: I'm surprised this can be done without any new C++ code
  163. # [17:57] <@eeejay> mwcampbell, yup
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  165. # [18:04] <mwcampbell> eeejay: Wow, I need to catch up on the Mozilla platform. I didn't know that a C foreign function interface was available from JS now.
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  167. # [18:06] <mwcampbell> eeejay: Well, it looks like a good design to me; the engine wrapper is separated from the main TTS module. But you probably want feedback from active, experienced Mozilla devs
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  169. # [18:11] <mwcampbell> eeejay: I do wonder why the main module passes a data dir to the worker. Seems to me like an engine implementation detail is being leaked into the mai TTS module
  170. # [18:12] <@eeejay> mwcampbell, the TTS module is a worker thread with less access, so some information needs to be relayed to it.
  171. # [18:13] <mwcampbell> eeejay: OK, just thinking about how I'd add more engines, like Microsoft SAPI and the screen reader APIs on Windows, or speech-dispatcher on GNU/Linux
  172. # [18:13] <@eeejay> mwcampbell, right
  173. # [18:16] <mwcampbell> Incidentally, I wonder if JS performance and available APIs will ever be good enough that one could do a TTS engine in JS
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  176. # [18:19] <@marcoz> OK guys, heading out for the evening. See you tomorrow!
  177. # [18:20] <@eeejay> marcoz, adios!
  178. # [18:20] <@eeejay> mwcampbell, that exists.
  179. # [18:20] <@eeejay> mwcampbell, there is an espeak js implementation out there
  180. # [18:20] <@eeejay> emscripten compiled
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  198. # [20:03] <@firebot> trev.saunders@gmail.com granted review for attachment 675947 on bug 612830.
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  200. # [20:03] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=612830 nor, --, ---, surkov.alexander, ASSI, make HTML document accessible work even when there's no body
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  215. # [21:42] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 806536 filed by jmathies@mozilla.com.
  216. # [21:42] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=806536 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Accessibility support for windowless plugins in Windows 8
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