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  79. # [10:45] <@marcoz> surkov: Hi!
  80. # [10:45] <@surkov> hey, marcoz
  81. # [10:48] <@marcoz> surkov: Thanks for your message re the Windows 8 PC! :)
  82. # [10:48] <@surkov> marcoz: yw! :)
  83. # [10:48] <@marcoz> surkov: On a different topic: Do we know why bug 733848 has started flooding with oranges again over the past few days? It's been silent for months. What did break?
  84. # [10:48] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=733848 nor, --, ---, surkov.alexander, REOP, Intermittent failures in a11y/accessible/name/test_markup.html | Can't get accessible for [object HT
  85. # [10:49] <@surkov> marcoz: because I reelabled it (it was green on few try builds)
  86. # [10:49] <@surkov> and now I try to debug it by logging stuff
  87. # [10:52] <@marcoz> surkov: Understood!
  88. # [10:52] <@marcoz> Thanks for looking into it!
  89. # [10:53] <@surkov> few latest firefox versions are unstable on mochitests, I worry if it can be seen in the wild
  90. # [10:58] <@marcoz> surkov: I haven't seen instability in NVDA with Firefox at all. Works like a charm.
  91. # [10:59] <@surkov> it's good
  92. # [10:59] <@surkov> marcoz: are you on nighty?
  93. # [10:59] <@marcoz> surkov: Yes, but also test Aurora or beta occasionally, and haven't noticed anything unusual.
  94. # [11:00] <@surkov> ok
  95. # [11:00] <@marcoz> surkov: Also, representation on Android, which also draws from our platform, is stable.
  96. # [11:00] <@surkov> nice
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  99. # [11:01] <@marcoz> Morning hub! :)
  100. # [11:09] <@hub> hi
  101. # [11:28] <@marcoz> Oh fun, we're collaborating with a company that wants to sell user data. If they'll allow us to preset Firefox OS with all tracking options off?
  102. # [11:29] <@marcoz> I'm talking about Telefónica.
  103. # [11:29] <@hub> marcoz: no comment
  104. # [11:33] <@marcoz> The dirty business of the mobile market.....
  105. # [11:34] <@marcoz> hub: Yeah better not. ;)
  106. # [11:36] <Tad> I don't have a phone for a reason...
  107. # [11:42] <@hub> Tad: but you have internet it see,s
  108. # [11:42] <@hub> seems
  109. # [11:44] <@hub> marcoz: I do my best to convince people to NOT buy a phone from a carrier. It is hard as they believe they are getting a discount
  110. # [11:45] <@marcoz> Same here.
  111. # [11:45] <@hub> marcoz: so it is hard to bring Hexe in the UK?
  112. # [11:46] <@marcoz> hub: And even when they don't get one from a carrier, if they have a contract with Telefónica, they'll still be tracked unless they opt out.
  113. # [11:46] <@hub> marcoz: verizon do that kind of shit too
  114. # [11:47] <Tad> hub: Yup I do
  115. # [11:47] <@marcoz> hub: For me not any more. I just need to go to the vet two days before a trip and get a paper saying she's healthy. I did all the vaccination routine required for the UK last year, so she's now permanently clear for entry without quarantene.
  116. # [11:47] <@hub> marcoz: ah cool.
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  121. # [12:13] <@hub> marcoz: it is a bit like having Facebook as the only social option
  122. # [12:13] <@hub> marcoz: the only source for one's address book on b2g
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  145. # [14:17] <@davidb> heyo!
  146. # [14:17] <@hub> heyo
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  152. # [14:41] <@marcoz> Hi hub, I didn't get that "the only source as the addressbook in B2G" part about Facebook. Do you have to have an FB account for the address book to work?
  153. # [14:41] <@marcoz> Hi all btw!
  154. # [14:42] <@hub> marcoz: no. you have to have your address book in Facebook if you want to import it into the phone
  155. # [14:42] <@hub> or in the *cough* SIM Card *cough*
  156. # [14:48] <@marcoz> Oh geez...
  157. # [14:49] <@marcoz> I ain't gonna get a Facebook account just to do that. No I ain't.
  158. # [14:49] <@hub> worse. Thinking people could have uploaded my contact info on Facebook just scared me.
  159. # [14:50] <@hub> and yes I know someone did.
  160. # [14:51] * @marcoz nods.
  161. # [14:52] <@marcoz> surkov: Hi! Did the logs show anything useful yet? There were a few more oranges on bug 733848 in the past few hours.
  162. # [14:52] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=733848 nor, --, ---, surkov.alexander, REOP, Intermittent failures in a11y/accessible/name/test_markup.html | Can't get accessible for [object HT
  163. # [14:52] <@surkov> marcoz: I'll take a look
  164. # [14:53] <@davidb> oh hi surkov
  165. # [14:53] <@davidb> hi hub
  166. # [14:53] <@surkov> hi, davidb
  167. # [14:54] <@davidb> and of course marcoz
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  170. # [15:02] <@hub> warm caffeine... mmmmm
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  172. # [15:08] <@marcoz> Hi davidb!
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  175. # [15:19] <@marcoz> davidb: So, any thoughts on my e-mail re London?
  176. # [15:19] <@marcoz> hub, surkov, ^
  177. # [15:20] <@davidb> marcoz: i think you would be a good candidate
  178. # [15:20] <@davidb> if you wanted.
  179. # [15:20] <@davidb> surkov has his travel papers tied up.
  180. # [15:21] <@hub> agrred
  181. # [15:21] <@davidb> i think the timing is bad for you hub? could be moving into a new place
  182. # [15:21] <@surkov> agreed
  183. # [15:21] <@hub> davidb: yep
  184. # [15:21] <@marcoz> davidb: It would give us a chance to plant Firefox OS as a viable accessible alternative mobile platform in people's heads I think. As a platform for accessibility innovation.
  185. # [15:22] <@marcoz> davidb, hub, surkov: Logistically, it's no problem at all, London is just a 1 hour flight from Hamburg.
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  187. # [15:23] <@surkov> cool
  188. # [15:24] <@davidb> marcoz: do it!
  189. # [15:26] <@davidb> eeejay, marcoz, tbsaunde, surkov, hub etc team meeting tomorrow?
  190. # [15:26] * khuey|away is now known as khuey
  191. # [15:26] <@davidb> I want one.
  192. # [15:27] <@hub> sure
  193. # [15:27] <@hub> marcoz: it is only 6 hours from here :-D
  194. # [15:28] <@davidb> agenda: goals, org, ARIA, vpats, etc
  195. # [15:28] <icaaq> have you seen this? http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/WCAG20-TECHS/client-side-script.html
  196. # [15:28] <@davidb> icaaq: i haven't!
  197. # [15:28] <@davidb> at least i don't recall
  198. # [15:28] <icaaq> the examples seems a bit old imho
  199. # [15:29] <@davidb> oh i might have followed a deep link into it
  200. # [15:29] <@davidb> icaaq: not surprising
  201. # [15:29] <@marcoz> davidb: OK!
  202. # [15:31] <@davidb> marcoz: thanks for thinking it through and jumping on it
  203. # [15:31] <icaaq> davidb: webaxe just tweeted it https://twitter.com/webaxe/statuses/263284467278434305
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  205. # [15:33] <icaaq> stuff like this is kind of weird to advocate:
  206. # [15:33] <icaaq> <input type="text" name="date" id="date"
  207. # [15:33] <icaaq> onchange="if(isNaN(Date.parse(this.value)))
  208. # [15:33] <icaaq> alert('This control is not a valid date.
  209. # [15:33] <icaaq> Please re-enter the value.');" />
  210. # [15:36] <@marcoz> Ugh!
  211. # [15:38] <@davidb> icaaq: would you like to get involved in the W3?
  212. # [15:39] <icaaq> i have thought of it, yes
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  214. # [15:47] <@marcoz> davidb: Fun, the event is sold out on the page that was provided to us: http://atsummit.eventbrite.co.uk/ So I'll have to talk to Steve Lee directly how we will get me in officially. I mean I can always drop in as a Mozilla employee, but dunno if that would be welcomed. :)
  215. # [15:48] <@firebot> dbolter@mozilla.com changed the Resolution on bug 786553 from --- to WONTFIX.
  216. # [15:48] <@firebot> dbolter@mozilla.com changed the Status on bug 786553 from NEW to RESOLVED.
  217. # [15:48] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=786553 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, aria-relevant should be mapped to object attributes
  218. # [15:48] <@davidb> marcoz: steve will have a spot for you… and probably make it free if you wanted.
  219. # [15:48] <@marcoz> It's free anyway.
  220. # [15:48] <@marcoz> For everyone.
  221. # [15:48] <@davidb> ok
  222. # [15:49] <@marcoz> Or do you mean "free" as in "room"?
  223. # [15:49] <@davidb> i mean't bber
  224. # [15:49] <@davidb> beer
  225. # [15:49] <@marcoz> LOL
  226. # [15:50] <@davidb> which of course is meaningless to the german who doesn't drink beer.
  227. # [15:50] <@davidb> :)
  228. # [15:52] <@marcoz> And there's a saying. The English don't know what real beer is. :D
  229. # [15:54] <@marcoz> Now booking flights and hotel.
  230. # [15:55] <@hub> marcoz: yeah. I flew Lufthansa from Paris. on the CDG - FRA flight, I was offered TWO bottles of beer :-)
  231. # [15:55] <@hub> marcoz: they know what it is to drink beer
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  233. # [16:07] <@davidb> marcoz: english beer is nowhere near as good as german beer
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  235. # [16:14] <@davidb> man i forgot -j9 on my build command
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  238. # [16:14] <@davidb> was taking forever
  239. # [16:22] <icaaq> marcoz: a favorite is Einbecker, which I had with @designbyblind when he was in sweden some years ago
  240. # [16:33] <@marcoz> icaaq: My! Must have cost a fortune in Sweden! :) I wouldn't know what it tastes like. Even smelling beer gives me the creeps. Can't stand it, not to mention the taste!
  241. # [16:34] <@marcoz> Mulled through Egencia booking procedure. My this is still a looooong process to go through, with confirmations and reconfirmations and such.
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  245. # [16:39] <@davidb> marcoz: i got a notification of booking
  246. # [16:39] <@davidb> so all set?
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  248. # [16:42] <@marcoz> davidb: Looks like it!
  249. # [16:42] <@davidb> great
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  255. # [16:58] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 806980 filed by dbolter@mozilla.com.
  256. # [16:58] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=806980 nor, --, ---, dbolter, NEW, [AccessFu] incremental build improvement
  257. # [17:04] <@davidb> hi tbsaunde
  258. # [17:08] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org granted feedback for attachment 676625 on bug 806980.
  259. # [17:08] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=806980 nor, --, ---, dbolter, NEW, [AccessFu] incremental build improvement
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  266. # [17:42] <@firebot> ted@mielczarek.org granted review for attachment 676625 on bug 806980.
  267. # [17:42] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=806980 nor, --, ---, dbolter, NEW, [AccessFu] incremental build improvement
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  269. # [17:47] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com requested review from trev.saunders@gmail .com for attachment 676648 on bug 733848.
  270. # [17:47] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=733848 nor, --, ---, surkov.alexander, REOP, Intermittent failures in a11y/accessible/name/test_markup.html | Can't get accessible for [object HT
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  274. # [18:26] <@marcoz> davidb: http://www.marcozehe.de/2012/10/30/my-recap-of-the-accessibility-day-2012-in-vienna-austria/
  275. # [18:28] <@davidb> nice
  276. # [18:30] <@eeejay> marcoz, cool
  277. # [18:41] <@eeejay> i thought win 8 on arm was restricted?
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  279. # [18:44] <@davidb> marcoz: would you like to reply to emily with this link http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/vpat-3.html
  280. # [18:45] <@hub> "Windows 8 Store applications" that's the short for "Metro Applications"
  281. # [18:46] <@firebot> dbolter@mozilla.com requested needinfo from marco.zehe@google mail.com on bug 639971.
  282. # [18:46] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=639971 nor, --, ---, dbolter, NEW, Rapid-releasify our FF VPAT
  283. # [18:46] <@davidb> i guess
  284. # [18:50] <@firebot> marco.zehe@googlemail.com cancelled needinfo?(marco.zehe@google mail.com) on bug 639971.
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  286. # [19:13] <@davidb> eeejay: a11y bug fix will be mentioned in firefox mobile section :)
  287. # [19:13] <@eeejay> oops! a call..
  288. # [19:13] <@eeejay> forgot
  289. # [19:14] <@davidb> every tuesday bubba
  290. # [19:14] <@eeejay> yeah yeah
  291. # [19:15] <@marcoz> OK, off for the evening! See you tomorrow!
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  294. # [19:23] <@eeejay> hub, nice to see you in toronto
  295. # [19:23] <@eeejay> also, nice haircut
  296. # [19:23] <@hub> thanks
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  300. # [19:43] <@davidb> eeejay: 1:1?
  301. # [19:43] <@eeejay> sure
  302. # [19:43] <@eeejay> lets try this stupid vidyo thing
  303. # [19:44] <@eeejay> davidb, in yer room
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  316. # [20:45] <@tbsaunde> davidb: so, it seems I was wrong and my patch doesn't actually fix bug 768243 (though I think the patch is still worth doing at some point)
  317. # [20:45] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=768243 is not accessible
  318. # [20:45] <@davidb> tbsaunde: ok
  319. # [20:45] <@tbsaunde> I suspect Alex was right and we miss some sort of remooval notification
  320. # [20:46] <@tbsaunde> I'm looking through logs and the DOM changes are pretty insane
  321. # [20:46] <@tbsaunde> this bug makes me sad :(
  322. # [20:47] <@davidb> it is deep
  323. # [20:48] <@tbsaunde> yeah, and half the time I try to use gdb it segfaults
  324. # [20:49] <@davidb> tbsaunde: gdb segfaults? ouch. if you don't want to learn all of DOM and layout at once you might want to start asking smaug, bz, etc if they have ideas
  325. # [20:50] <@davidb> i've cc'ed smaug just now
  326. # [20:50] <@tbsaunde> davidb: yeah, gdb segfaults fairly frequently
  327. # [20:50] <@davidb> tbsaunde: that sounds like it gets in the way of progress
  328. # [20:50] <@tbsaunde> davidb: yes, I've given up on it for now and just added ustom logging code
  329. # [20:50] <@davidb> ok
  330. # [20:51] <@davidb> logging can be very informative anyways
  331. # [20:51] <@tbsaunde> davidb: the problem with asking is I don't really have questions yet, I don't know what I don't know
  332. # [20:51] <@davidb> yeah i've been there
  333. # [20:51] <@tbsaunde> I'm hoping if I can make sense of what happens to the DOM I will have better questions
  334. # [20:51] <@davidb> so i've trained them for you with my half baked questions
  335. # [20:52] <@davidb> ok
  336. # [20:59] <@tbsaunde> this just in gdb 2>&1 > /tmp/blah doesn't work so well
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  341. # [21:19] <icaaq> how well supported is the progress-element with broswers/AT?
  342. # [21:26] <@tbsaunde> icaaq: I'm not aware of any problems
  343. # [21:26] <@tbsaunde> in gecko anyway
  344. # [21:27] <@tbsaunde> davidb: my patches may have made the assert intermitant, or maybe I just wasn't rebuilding hard enough, but I definitely seem to have run the test once without a assert
  345. # [21:28] <@davidb> tbsaunde: without the patch it always asserts?
  346. # [21:31] <@tbsaunde> davidb: I think so
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  348. # [22:02] <@davidb> tbsaunde: the first comment in the bug says it may need 2-3 runs before aborting
  349. # [22:02] <@davidb> sorry to say
  350. # [22:03] <@davidb> tbsaunde: think about what next steps you can take and chat with alex if you catch him. i'll follow up with you tomorrow.
  351. # [22:03] <icaaq> tbsaunde: ok, thanks :)
  352. # [22:03] <@davidb> icaaq: i like how nvda sonifies it
  353. # [22:04] <@tbsaunde> davidb: yeah, I'm still working on it
  354. # [22:04] <@davidb> ok
  355. # [22:04] <@tbsaunde> mostly adding more logging and stuff
  356. # [22:05] <@davidb> ok gotta close this laptop for a bit
  357. # [22:05] <@davidb> peace out
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