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- # Session Start: Tue Nov 13 00:00:01 2012
- # Session Ident: #accessibility
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- # [00:47] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org changed the Assignee on bug 810364 from nobody@mozilla.org to eitan@monotonous.org.
- # [00:47] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=810364 nor, --, ---, eitan, NEW, [AccessFu] Record starting touch coordinate in gesture detection
- # [00:47] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org changed the Assignee on bug 810359 from nobody@mozilla.org to eitan@monotonous.org.
- # [00:47] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=810359 nor, --, ---, eitan, NEW, [AccessFu] Introduce haptic presenter
- # [00:48] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org changed the Assignee on bug 810372 from nobody@mozilla.org to eitan@monotonous.org.
- # [00:48] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=810372 nor, --, ---, eitan, NEW, [AccessFu] Don't mutter app URLs
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- # [01:42] <@firebot> bugzilla@mversen.de changed the Component on bug 808538 from Untriaged to Disability Access.
- # [01:42] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=808538 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Why Firefox shows "server busy" prompt ?
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- # [02:34] <@surkov> tbsaunde: hi
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- # [02:45] <@tbsaunde> surkov: evening
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- # [05:50] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com cancelled review?(surkov.alexander@gm ail.com) for attachment 680722 on bug 801356.
- # [05:50] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com cancelled feedback?(trev.saunders@gma il.com) for attachment 680722 on bug 801356.
- # [05:50] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=801356 nor, --, ---, joey.blacksmith, NEW, LeafAccessible needs to override Append/InsertChild
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- # [07:38] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com requested needinfo from the wind on bug 810260.
- # [07:38] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=810260 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, xul:deck hidden pages shouldn't be offscreen
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- # [10:58] <@firebot> trev.saunders@gmail.com cancelled needinfo? on bug 810260.
- # [10:58] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=810260 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, xul:deck hidden pages shouldn't be offscreen
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- # [14:06] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 811269 filed by marco.zehe@googlemail.com.
- # [14:06] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=811269 nor, --, ---, marco.zehe, NEW, [AccessFu] Improve utterances for lists and list items
- # [14:08] <@firebot> marco.zehe@googlemail.com changed the Status on bug 811269 from NEW to ASSIGNED.
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- # [15:32] <@davidb> heyo
- # [15:33] <@davidb> marcoz: i thought we used the title when all else failed (on images)
- # [15:33] <@davidb> hi surkov, hub
- # [15:33] <@surkov> hi, davidb
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- # [15:38] <@hub> heyo
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- # [16:00] <@marcoz> davidb: Hi! Yes, on images inserted via an img tag. :) But if it's a CSS generated background image which only gets inserted via the class reference, there's no chance we can even know an image is there.
- # [16:00] <@davidb> aw crap
- # [16:01] <@hub> yep. shame
- # [16:01] <@marcoz> Yes, these people use CSS to insert background images as stylings for empty anchorss/links. JavaScript does the rest, the backgrund image serves as the user-visible click target.
- # [16:01] <@davidb> yeah
- # [16:01] <@davidb> i remember dojo wanted to do that
- # [16:08] <@firebot> bmo@edmorley.co.uk changed the Resolution on bug 556622 from --- to WORKSFORME.
- # [16:08] <@firebot> bmo@edmorley.co.uk changed the Status on bug 556622 from NEW to RESOLVED.
- # [16:08] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=556622 nor, --, ---, nobody, RESO WORKSFORME, Intermittent test_bug265203.html | Test timed out (followed by "Error: Unable to restore focus, expe
- # [16:24] <@marcoz> davidb: surkov: The question is: Can we reliably detect that the text within an anchor is empty? And could we fall back to using the title as the accessible name instead in that case? Right now, the title always gets converted to the accDescription, so is only spoken on request, and not included in the virtual buffer. Or maybe it's NVDA playing tricks on me again since they see the child nodes and don't notice that they're empty. It'
- # [16:24] <@davidb> marcoz: i wonder if nvda should fallback to the description
- # [16:25] <@surkov> marcoz: if anchor has empty text then @title should be used as name I think
- # [16:26] <@marcoz> surkov: I agree. And we *may* do it, I haven't checked with the sites I tried outside NVDA. But NVDA may still traverse into the child text nodes and try to get something and not fall back to the accName. Will ask Jamie later.
- # [16:27] <@davidb> surkov: what about using title as last resort generally?
- # [16:27] <@davidb> are there problem cases?
- # [16:28] <@surkov> davidb: we do this and it should be ok
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- # [16:30] <@marcoz> davidb: There is probably an NVDA part to this problem. Sometimes, Mick and Jamie don't use the name if they suspect there might be children inside that provide more useful info.
- # [16:31] <@davidb> i see
- # [16:33] <@surkov> marcoz: perhaps the problem can be related with explicit-name attribute which we introduced recently. Having it I suspect NVDA should behave correct (I'm not sure if they released new version working with it)
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- # [16:36] <satdav> marcoz, me and a couple of others had a meeting with john from ux and hes going to fix the issue with the mozilla sites
- # [16:39] <@marcoz> surkov: I don't think they introduced that in 2012.3. But yes, this may be helpful in the future!
- # [16:39] <@marcoz> Oh fun, browsing app.net's global stream causes a hang in Firefox for Android. The phone becomes totally unresponsive, may even reboot, and takes a few minutes to come back.
- # [16:39] <@marcoz> satdav: Cool thanks.
- # [16:46] <@davidb> hub: you doing the b2g/gaia call today?
- # [16:48] <@marcoz> Hub: I agree with you that Flash should just die. Problem with Mozilla: There's always some nerd around who will do stuff like this just because (s)he can. :)
- # [16:50] <satdav> most sites are getting rid of flash now
- # [16:53] <@hub> davidb: I can do it
- # [16:53] <@hub> yeah
- # [16:53] <@davidb> hub: just curious of your plans… (thinking about lunch)
- # [16:53] <@hub> marcoz: and we can't implement flash freely. too many patent restricted techs, from mp3, to the various flv codec and h264
- # [16:54] <@hub> marcoz: etc.
- # [16:54] <@hub> marcoz: it does not help the free web
- # [16:54] <@hub> marcoz: or accessibility
- # [16:56] <@davidb> are you guys talking about shumway>
- # [16:56] <@davidb> ?
- # [16:56] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 811307 filed by dbolter@mozilla.com.
- # [16:56] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=811307 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [AccessFu] Add mochitest for enabling
- # [16:57] <@hub> davidb: yeah.
- # [16:57] <@hub> davidb: I said, "for the record" on twitter that I thought it was a waste of time
- # [16:57] <@hub> and resources
- # [16:57] <@davidb> it might be a stepping stone
- # [16:57] <@davidb> a necessary evil
- # [16:58] <@hub> we'd better focus on make tools to make content, including some that would allow to import to generate html5
- # [16:58] <@hub> but not playback
- # [16:58] <@hub> davidb: an impossible evil
- # [16:58] <@hub> davidb: we don't even support the video and audio codec in Firefox
- # [17:00] <@marcoz> davidb: So, where's the patch? :D
- # [17:00] <@davidb> marcoz: check again
- # [17:00] <@davidb> i decided to post what i have before i lose it again
- # [17:00] * @davidb shakes fist at mercurial
- # [17:01] <@firebot> dbolter@mozilla.com changed the Assignee on bug 811307 from nobody@mozilla.org to dbolter@mozilla.com.
- # [17:01] <@firebot> dbolter@mozilla.com requested review from eitan@monotonous.or g for attachment 681040 on bug 811307.
- # [17:01] <@firebot> dbolter@mozilla.com requested feedback from marco.zehe@google mail.com for attachment 681040 on bug 811307.
- # [17:02] <@hub> davidb: fist pump
- # [17:02] <@davidb> heh
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- # [17:13] * @davidb PM's bsmedberg about flash hangs
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- # [17:17] <@firebot> bmo@edmorley.co.uk changed the Resolution on bug 691005 from --- to WORKSFORME.
- # [17:17] <@firebot> bmo@edmorley.co.uk changed the Status on bug 691005 from NEW to RESOLVED.
- # [17:17] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=691005 nor, --, ---, nobody, RESO WORKSFORME, Intermittent test_docload.xul | Doubled event { event type: reorder, target: getContainer, arg: unde
- # [17:22] <@firebot> marco.zehe@googlemail.com granted feedback for attachment 681040 on bug 811307.
- # [17:22] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=811307 nor, --, ---, dbolter, NEW, [AccessFu] Add mochitest for enabling
- # [17:26] <@hub> davidb: what do you have in mind for lunch?
- # [17:26] <@davidb> hub: i was thinking of that indian buffet
- # [17:27] <@davidb> just typing that almost made my stomach eat itself
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- # [17:27] <@hub> davidb: never been there
- # [17:28] <@davidb> it is where the grind house used to be
- # [17:28] <satdav> hub, you not in a different office from davidb
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- # [17:29] <satdav> has anyone tried server 2008 yet
- # [17:29] <@hub> davidb: grindhouse is gone?
- # [17:30] <@davidb> hub: yep
- # [17:31] <@davidb> I think that place was doomed by poor/inconsistent service.
- # [17:33] <satdav> hub, you in toronto now
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- # [17:39] <satdav> going the now but will be back soon
- # [17:40] <@marcoz> eeejay: Hi! You around yet? I just managed to crash my whole phone by browsing http://alpha.app.net (yes I have an account there) on my Galaxy Nexus. The whole phone rebooted. On the NEXUS 7, everything went smoothly.
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- # [18:28] <@firebot> bmo@edmorley.co.uk changed the Resolution on bug 807911 from --- to FIXED.
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- # [18:28] <@firebot> bmo@edmorley.co.uk changed the Status on bug 807911 from ASSIGNED to RESOLVED.
- # [18:29] <@firebot> bmo@edmorley.co.uk changed the Target Milestone on bug 807911 from --- to mozilla19.
- # [18:29] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=807911 nor, --, mozilla19, surkov.alexander, RESO FIXED, whittle mutation events processing
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- # [18:32] <@firebot> bmo@edmorley.co.uk changed the Resolution on bug 810372 from --- to FIXED.
- # [18:32] <@firebot> bmo@edmorley.co.uk changed the Status on bug 810372 from NEW to RESOLVED.
- # [18:32] <@firebot> bmo@edmorley.co.uk changed the Target Milestone on bug 810372 from --- to mozilla19.
- # [18:32] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=810372 nor, --, ---, eitan, NEW, [AccessFu] Don't mutter app URLs
- # [18:32] <@firebot> bmo@edmorley.co.uk changed the Resolution on bug 810359 from --- to FIXED.
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- # [18:32] <@firebot> bmo@edmorley.co.uk changed the Status on bug 810359 from NEW to RESOLVED.
- # [18:33] <@firebot> bmo@edmorley.co.uk changed the Target Milestone on bug 810359 from --- to mozilla19.
- # [18:33] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=810359 nor, --, mozilla19, eitan, RESO FIXED, [AccessFu] Introduce haptic presenter
- # [18:33] <@firebot> bmo@edmorley.co.uk changed the Resolution on bug 810364 from --- to FIXED.
- # [18:33] <@firebot> bmo@edmorley.co.uk changed the Status on bug 810364 from NEW to RESOLVED.
- # [18:33] <@firebot> bmo@edmorley.co.uk changed the Target Milestone on bug 810364 from --- to mozilla19.
- # [18:33] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=810364 nor, --, mozilla19, eitan, RESO FIXED, [AccessFu] Record starting touch coordinate in gesture detection
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- # [19:47] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org cancelled review?(eitan@monotonous.or g) for attachment 681006 on bug 811269.
- # [19:47] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=811269 nor, --, ---, marco.zehe, ASSI, [AccessFu] Improve utterances for lists and list items
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- # [20:01] <@firebot> dbolter@mozilla.com cancelled review?(eitan@monotonous.or g) for attachment 681040 on bug 811307.
- # [20:01] <@firebot> dbolter@mozilla.com requested review from eitan@monotonous.or g for attachment 681130 on bug 811307.
- # [20:01] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=811307 nor, --, ---, dbolter, NEW, [AccessFu] Add mochitest for enabling
- # [20:04] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org granted review for attachment 681130 on bug 811307.
- # [20:09] <@eeejay> \o/
- # [20:09] <@davidb> heh
- # [20:09] <@eeejay> the tyranny of the mochitest begins
- # [20:09] <@davidb> may the test coverage begin!
- # [20:09] <@davidb> snap!
- # [20:09] <@eeejay> i have the power to break tbpl with simple accessfu checkins
- # [20:10] <@hub> you have the power to fix them too :-D
- # [20:10] <@eeejay> davidb, oops, did you try it on a try server?
- # [20:10] <@davidb> eeejay: no :(
- # [20:10] * @eeejay doesn't understand how mochitests work on non ff desktop products
- # [20:11] <@davidb> eeejay: i tried it on debug only
- # [20:11] <@davidb> i hit known oranges
- # [20:11] * @eeejay hopes it doesn't break tests in android and b2g
- # [20:11] <@davidb> eeejay: any idea how it could?
- # [20:12] <@eeejay> davidb, i don't have enough knowledge of how mochitests work in those products
- # [20:12] <@davidb> i did do a try
- # [20:12] <@davidb> trying to find it now
- # [20:12] <@eeejay> davidb, you cant get the top level from e10s
- # [20:12] <@hub> who is the mochitest "owner"
- # [20:12] <@davidb> hub: for all mochitests?
- # [20:12] <@eeejay> davidb, so if the mochitest in b2g is in a content process, it would break
- # [20:13] <@davidb> hmmm
- # [20:13] <@hub> davidb: for the system
- # [20:14] <@davidb> eeejay: i don't think b2g runs mochitest-o
- # [20:14] <@davidb> see https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=5cf2290cbad3
- # [20:14] <@davidb> hub: not sure… most roads lead to ted
- # [20:14] <@hub> b2g runs marionette
- # [20:15] <@eeejay> no mochitests at all? phew
- # [20:15] <@hub> and some mochitest
- # [20:15] <@hub> 2 and 3
- # [20:16] <@eeejay> well, i would like to see it run successfully in b2g
- # [20:16] <@davidb> yeah
- # [20:16] * @eeejay hardly does desktop builds anymore
- # [20:17] <@davidb> we may need to sniff in the test
- # [20:20] <@davidb> eeejay: i can do that probably thursday
- # [20:20] <@davidb> if not todayish
- # [20:20] <@davidb> not sure if tricky
- # [20:21] <@eeejay> davidb, no worries. you didn't break inbound?
- # [20:21] <@davidb> eeejay: hasn't run through yet
- # [20:21] <@eeejay> davidb, cool
- # [20:24] <@davidb> hahah
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- # [21:30] <@davidb> eeejay: i think i need to turn accessfu off at the end of the test...
- # [21:31] <@davidb> that might explain the frequency of the orange fails
- # [21:31] <@davidb> which is interesting in itself
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- # [21:44] <@eeejay> davidb, oops
- # [21:44] <@davidb> yeah
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