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  20. # [03:13] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org cancelled review?(dbolter@mozilla.com ) for attachment 688030 on bug 817869.
  21. # [03:14] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org requested review from dbolter@mozilla.com for attachment 688547 on bug 817869.
  22. # [03:14] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=817869 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [AccessFu] Consolidate Android and B2G touch adapters
  23. # [03:14] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 818341 filed by eitan@monotonous.org.
  24. # [03:15] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=818341 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [AccessFu] Encapsulte presentation in the presentation module.
  25. # [03:16] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org requested review from dbolter@mozilla.com for attachment 688548 on bug 818341.
  26. # [03:19] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 818342 filed by eitan@monotonous.org.
  27. # [03:19] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=818342 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [AccessFu] Add announcement method and output.
  28. # [03:21] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org requested review from dbolter@mozilla.com for attachment 688550 on bug 818342.
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  31. # [03:24] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 818343 filed by eitan@monotonous.org.
  32. # [03:24] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=818343 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [AccessFu] Introduce gesture quick navigation
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  34. # [03:27] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org requested review from dbolter@mozilla.com for attachment 688551 on bug 818343.
  35. # [04:06] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com changed the Resolution on bug 816856 from --- to FIXED.
  36. # [04:06] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 816856 from ASSIGNED to RESOLVED.
  37. # [04:06] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 816856 from --- to mozilla20.
  38. # [04:06] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=816856 nor, --, mozilla20, surkov.alexander, RESO FIXED, Embedded object accessibles for inaccessible/windowless plugins should not expose a NULL child
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  48. # [05:50] <@tbsaunde> surkov: how do you feel about implementing IServiceProvider with a tear off too??
  49. # [05:51] <@surkov> tbsaunde: I wouldn't :) otherwise I afraid to hear soon "maybe let's implement IAccessible as trear off" :)
  50. # [05:52] <@surkov> it's not really optional thing
  51. # [05:52] <@surkov> but sure I would like to see a data how it helps memory
  52. # [05:52] <@surkov> we didn't finsih that patch about reporting memory usage, right?
  53. # [05:53] <@tbsaunde> surkov: no, not yet
  54. # [05:53] <@surkov> is it hard to finish/ would you like to work on it? (sometimes I really miss that kind of data)
  55. # [05:54] <@tbsaunde> surkov: I dont think its hard, mostly just work
  56. # [05:54] <@tbsaunde> surkov: I feel like IServiceProvider is fairly different from other IAccessible* things
  57. # [05:54] <@surkov> ok, hard -> time consuming
  58. # [05:54] <@surkov> I see that
  59. # [05:54] <@tbsaunde> since I imagine the way you use it is get it, get some other interface and forget about it
  60. # [05:55] <@surkov> it's small thing that is used to get different objects so it seems logically to have it as tear off
  61. # [05:55] <@surkov> right
  62. # [05:55] <@tbsaunde> that's sort of my thought
  63. # [05:56] <@surkov> anyway we're moving into "waking up the sleeping dog" area
  64. # [05:56] <@surkov> currently I'm getting reports about Firefox 15 :)
  65. # [06:00] <@tbsaunde> surkov: what about 15?
  66. # [06:00] <@tbsaunde> also, why are people using that, its not supported anymore afaik :(
  67. # [06:01] <@surkov> tbsaunde: I meant our changes break some AT in some ways, recently I was said about one problem for fx 15
  68. # [06:01] <@surkov> I guess builds are delivered with delay
  69. # [06:01] <@tbsaunde> ok
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  71. # [07:31] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com requested review from trev.saunders@gmail .com for attachment 688627 on bug 810572.
  72. # [07:31] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com requested superreview from roc@ocallahan. org for attachment 688627 on bug 810572.
  73. # [07:31] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=810572 nor, --, ---, surkov.alexander, ASSI, comb accessible type support
  74. # [07:32] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com requested review from trev.saunders@gmail .com for attachment 688628 on bug 810572.
  75. # [07:35] <@tbsaunde> surkov: yeah, I forgot to fiddle with the patch when moving it to hg from git, think its worth backing out and relanding as a copy?
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  79. # [07:38] <@surkov> tbsaunde: that might be nicer in the end, how is it important to keep history for that piece of code
  80. # [07:38] <@tbsaunde> surkov: not sure, I don't usually look at history
  81. # [07:38] <@surkov> I think you just get one more step to find a history actually
  82. # [07:38] <@surkov> tbsaunde: you are happy guy :)
  83. # [07:39] <@tbsaunde> yeah, probably if you expect that code was moved from someplace
  84. # [07:39] <@surkov> I think I wouldn't back it out
  85. # [07:39] <@tbsaunde> ok
  86. # [07:40] <@surkov> I often work with hg history because I often see a code that I don't have any idea what is it for (btw, often history doesn't help :) )
  87. # [08:03] <@tbsaunde> surkov: yeah, history often not helping sort of discourages me from bothering to look :/
  88. # [08:04] <@surkov> right
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  97. # [09:55] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 818407 filed by surkov.alexander@gmail.com.
  98. # [09:55] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=818407 nor, --, ---, surkov.alexander, ASSI, changing the HTML body doesn't pick up ARIA role
  99. # [10:21] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com requested review from trev.saunders@gmail .com for attachment 688660 on bug 818407.
  100. # [10:21] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=818407 nor, --, ---, surkov.alexander, ASSI, changing the HTML body doesn't pick up ARIA role
  101. # [10:30] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com changed the Assignee on bug 660083 from nobody@mozilla.org to surkov.alexander@gmail.com.
  102. # [10:30] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com requested review from trev.saunders@gmail .com for attachment 688662 on bug 660083.
  103. # [10:31] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 660083 from NEW to ASSIGNED.
  104. # [10:31] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=660083 nor, --, ---, surkov.alexander, ASSI, missing focus event when opening a message in Thunderbird
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  107. # [11:12] <icaaq> do you guys know of any browser or AT that comprehends the hreflang attribute
  108. # [11:14] <@marcoz> icaaq: I don't. The normal lang or xml:lang attribute is hardly interpreted by any combination, except JAWS and NVDA plus IE and Firefox on Windows, and VoiceOver and Mobile Safari on iOS.
  109. # [11:14] <@marcoz> Don't think any of those combinations accounts for hreflang
  110. # [11:19] <icaaq> marcoz: yes, just as I thought. I've read that search engines uses it though
  111. # [11:19] <@marcoz> Don't know enough about search engines to make a qualified comment on that. :) I don't know.
  112. # [11:24] <icaaq> marcoz: A thought I had was to add a hreflang attribute to the localized firefox download link ;)
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  137. # [15:13] <@davidb> heyo!
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  140. # [15:19] <@marcoz> Hi davidb!
  141. # [15:19] <@davidb> hi hi
  142. # [15:27] <@hub> heya
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  144. # [15:28] <@hub> I might scream victory. I might finally get a dev phone
  145. # [15:28] <@davidb> hub: oh? didn't know you were still waiting… thought you converted the df phone
  146. # [15:29] <@davidb> oh did you sign up during the expansion?
  147. # [15:32] <@hub> I converted "illegally" to a dev phone
  148. # [15:32] <@hub> they don't like that
  149. # [15:33] <@davidb> tough
  150. # [15:34] <@hub> I was told to not do it, I did it still
  151. # [15:34] <@davidb> maverick
  152. # [15:35] <@hub> it is more usefull than the dogfooding I can't do
  153. # [15:35] <icaaq> marcoz: listening to https://developer.mozilla.org/samples/html/datalist.html with nvda and fx the datalist suggestions is a table? is that correct? set focus on the input field, type F then press arrow down.
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  164. # [16:20] <marcoz> icaaq: Looking.
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  166. # [16:24] <@marcoz> icaaq: table? I don't hear anything about a table. I focus the input, press enter to turn off browse mode, type f, then down arrow, and hear the "list Firefox 1 of 2" spoken, pressng down argain gives me "Safari 2 of 2".
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  168. # [16:32] <@firebot> edmorley.bz@edmorley.co.uk changed the Resolution on bug 817957 from --- to FIXED.
  169. # [16:32] <@firebot> edmorley.bz@edmorley.co.uk changed the Status on bug 817957 from NEW to RESOLVED.
  170. # [16:32] <@firebot> edmorley.bz@edmorley.co.uk changed the Target Milestone on bug 817957 from --- to mozilla20.
  171. # [16:32] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=817957 nor, --, mozilla20, mh+mozilla, RESO FIXED, [AccessFu] AccessFu.css and content-script.js are duplicated
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  174. # [16:40] <@firebot> edmorley.bz@edmorley.co.uk changed the Resolution on bug 817772 from --- to FIXED.
  175. # [16:40] <@firebot> edmorley.bz@edmorley.co.uk changed the Status on bug 817772 from NEW to RESOLVED.
  176. # [16:40] <@firebot> edmorley.bz@edmorley.co.uk changed the Target Milestone on bug 817772 from --- to mozilla20.
  177. # [16:40] <@firebot> edmorley.bz@edmorley.co.uk changed the Resolution on bug 817766 from --- to FIXED.
  178. # [16:40] <@firebot> edmorley.bz@edmorley.co.uk changed the Status on bug 817766 from NEW to RESOLVED.
  179. # [16:40] <@firebot> edmorley.bz@edmorley.co.uk changed the Target Milestone on bug 817766 from --- to mozilla20.
  180. # [16:40] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=817766 nor, --, mozilla20, trev.saunders, RESO FIXED, move atkutil class implementation out of ApplicationAccessibleWrap.cpp
  181. # [16:40] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=817772 nor, --, mozilla20, trev.saunders, RESO FIXED, remove MAI logging
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  183. # [16:52] <@marcoz> davidb: eeejay is keeping your review queue busy, eh? :)
  184. # [16:53] <@davidb> yeah
  185. # [16:53] <@davidb> i'm going to need some irc time with him
  186. # [16:53] <@davidb> looks promising though
  187. # [16:54] <@marcoz> davidb: Yeah I've been running the whole bunch of patches in local builds today and tested, the first batch of four even yesterday, and things look really good.
  188. # [16:54] <@davidb> i saw your comment :)
  189. # [16:54] <@davidb> marcoz: great email to aaront
  190. # [16:55] <@davidb> tbsaunde: your machine is ready to go - let me know when you are in
  191. # [16:57] <@davidb> hub: good thing you filed 818056
  192. # [16:57] <@davidb> bug 818056
  193. # [16:57] <@davidb> (you are finding a lot of important issues)
  194. # [16:58] <@davidb> not bad for a guy with one almost dogfoodable phone ;)
  195. # [16:58] <@marcoz> Heh.
  196. # [16:59] * @marcoz just found a bug, too, but it is not in these new patches, but in nightly, too, but may be fixable along the way. Commenting.
  197. # [17:00] <@hub> davidb: that wouldn't happen on actual dogfooding
  198. # [17:00] <@hub> davidb: since they build with gecko-18
  199. # [17:00] <@davidb> heh ironic
  200. # [17:01] <@davidb> marcoz: bug #?
  201. # [17:01] <Stevef> davidb: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Dec/0027.html background: https://twitter.com/stevefaulkner/status/275135958339448833
  202. # [17:03] <@davidb> Stevef: I'm not sure how to engage since everything has been said
  203. # [17:04] <@davidb> Stevef: does whatwg ever do survey/voting?
  204. # [17:04] <Stevef> davidb:no
  205. # [17:04] <@davidb> ok i can understand why
  206. # [17:04] <@davidb> html-wg probably does though?
  207. # [17:04] <@davidb> i've voted in w3c space before
  208. # [17:04] <@davidb> many times
  209. # [17:05] <Stevef> davidb:not so much for you but for d baron as he was owndering where to respond
  210. # [17:05] <@marcoz> davidb: Added a comment to bug 817869.
  211. # [17:05] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=817869 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [AccessFu] Consolidate Android and B2G touch adapters
  212. # [17:05] <Stevef> and any other implementers
  213. # [17:05] <Stevef> vote on what?
  214. # [17:06] <Stevef> we just had a CFC on publishing as FPWD...
  215. # [17:06] <@davidb> TMA
  216. # [17:07] <@davidb> marcoz: good catch
  217. # [17:10] <@marcoz> Stevef: davidb: We should make a song whose lyrics are just made up of all those abbreviations. ;)
  218. # [17:10] <@davidb> NWS
  219. # [17:10] <@davidb> no we shouldn't ;)
  220. # [17:10] <Stevef> marcoz: no idea what TMA means
  221. # [17:11] <@davidb> too many acronyms
  222. # [17:11] <Stevef> oh gotcha
  223. # [17:11] <@hub> TMT
  224. # [17:11] <@hub> Too Many TLA
  225. # [17:11] <@hub> TLA = Three Letters Acronym
  226. # [17:11] <@hub> but YMMV
  227. # [17:11] <@davidb> yeah
  228. # [17:11] <@davidb> heh
  229. # [17:11] <@hub> IMNSHO
  230. # [17:14] <@davidb> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IWBT4Tk3t0
  231. # [17:17] <@hub> nice
  232. # [17:17] <@hub> it is all filmed in Ottawa it seems
  233. # [17:25] <@davidb> hub: shall we put you on the attendee list for Berlin?
  234. # [17:25] <@hub> davidb: what are the exact date?
  235. # [17:25] <@hub> January 8 is a Tuesday
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  237. # [17:26] <@davidb> week of january 7th i think
  238. # [17:26] <@hub> ah ok
  239. # [17:26] <@hub> yeah
  240. # [17:26] <@hub> sure
  241. # [17:26] <@davidb> ok email coming
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  244. # [17:35] <@marcoz> davidb: What's that event?
  245. # [17:35] <@davidb> marcoz: b2g
  246. # [17:35] <@marcoz> davidb: OK.
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  249. # [17:43] <icaaq> marcoz: When starting up windows with nvda and fx again I hear the same as you, I swear I heard something like, "table" row 1 of 2 firefox, row 2 of 2 safari. But i cant reproduce it. well well all good for now :)
  250. # [17:55] <@marcoz> icaaq: Glad things are working! Strange fluke! We do have test coverage for input + datalist, so I'm confident we're not broken. :)
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  252. # [18:09] <@marcoz> davidb: eeejay: Re comment 10 of bug 817869, I also reproduced it on the Galaxy Nexus. So it's not specific to a NEXUS 7. The initial touch after no finger has touched the display, is not being spoken. One has to move the finger to actually get a reaction.
  253. # [18:09] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=817869 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [AccessFu] Consolidate Android and B2G touch adapters
  254. # [18:20] <@tbsaunde> davidb: hey :) I see you put the machine at my desk, thanks :)
  255. # [18:21] <@davidb> tbsaunde: yeah should be booted into windows with nvda :)
  256. # [18:21] <@davidb> tbsaunde: PM'ed deets
  257. # [18:22] <@davidb> the build environments probably need to be set up again
  258. # [18:22] <@davidb> not sure what got wiped along with my accounts
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  260. # [18:24] <@tbsaunde> davidb: hub food?
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  262. # [18:25] <@davidb> tbsaunde: yeah let's roll
  263. # [18:25] <@hub> tbsaunde: I broguht mine
  264. # [18:25] <@hub> have fun
  265. # [18:26] <@hub> let me know if you get take out
  266. # [18:26] <@hub> or maybe I can just tag
  267. # [18:26] <@hub> I need fresh hair
  268. # [18:26] <@hub> air
  269. # [18:26] <@hub> gah
  270. # [18:26] <@hub> fresh air
  271. # [18:27] <eeejay> yo
  272. # [18:28] <@marcoz> Hi eeejay!
  273. # [18:29] <eeejay> marcoz, got your feedback re: ebt i'll work on that
  274. # [18:29] <eeejay> marcoz, about quicknav mode order
  275. # [18:29] <eeejay> marcoz, i think out Table rule is not that great right now
  276. # [18:31] <@marcoz> eeejay: OK, then we'll leave that off for now, since we don't have detection for layout tables yet. But we should still move list items to the end I think.
  277. # [18:34] <@marcoz> adding an "anyway" to the layout table detection part.
  278. # [18:40] <eeejay> marcoz, sure
  279. # [18:41] <eeejay> marcoz, you think the ListItem needs to move even though it is circular? If the user swipes the other direction they could get to it
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  281. # [18:41] <eeejay> i'll take your word for whatever is most usable
  282. # [18:51] <@marcoz> eeejay: Yeah I know it's circular, but I think having list items between links and form fields (or was it headings?) is a bit odd. People will usually swipe in one direction to find out what's there, and they'll most likely swipe down first.
  283. # [18:52] <eeejay> marcoz, gotcha
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  285. # [18:55] <satdav> davidb, wonder if you or marcoz can look over our mobile site designs as I have looked at them but need a 2nd or 3rd persons view
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  299. # [19:35] <@marcoz> OK, off for the evening, going out into the first snow of the season! :) See you tomorrow!
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  307. # [20:06] <@hub> davidb: I don't see you
  308. # [20:06] <@davidb> hub: sorry meeting ran late… give me 2 mins?
  309. # [20:07] <@hub> sure
  310. # [20:07] <@hub> whenever
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  315. # [20:50] <@firebot> dbolter@mozilla.com cancelled review?(dbolter@mozilla.com ) for attachment 688547 on bug 817869.
  316. # [20:50] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=817869 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [AccessFu] Consolidate Android and B2G touch adapters
  317. # [20:50] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org requested review from dbolter@mozilla.com for attachment 688891 on bug 817869.
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  323. # [21:12] <@davidb> eeejay: i'm gonna need some time.
  324. # [21:12] <eeejay> davidb, take it
  325. # [21:12] <@davidb> thanks
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  332. # [21:55] <@firebot> lsblakk@mozilla.com granted approval-mozilla-beta for attachment 686885 on bug 816453.
  333. # [21:55] <@firebot> lsblakk@mozilla.com denied approval-mozilla-esr17 for attachment 686885 on bug 816453.
  334. # [21:55] <@firebot> lsblakk@mozilla.com granted approval-mozilla-aurora for attachment 686885 on bug 816453.
  335. # [21:55] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=816453 cri, --, mozilla20, trev.saunders, RESO FIXED, crash in nsAccessibilityService::CreateHTMLObjectFrameAccessible
  336. # [21:59] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org changed the Assignee on bug 817671 from nobody@mozilla.org to eitan@monotonous.org.
  337. # [21:59] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=817671 nor, --, ---, eitan, NEW, [AccessFu] Fix window scrolling
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  340. # [22:10] <@tbsaunde> davidb: this ubuntu machine is ... uhm strange
  341. # [22:11] <@tbsaunde> it appears to have its root on a ntfs partition mounted through fuse as ext4 somehow
  342. # [22:17] <@davidb> i have no idea
  343. # [22:17] <@davidb> i pretty much let the ubuntu install software do what it wanted
  344. # [22:17] <@tbsaunde> davidb: I'm not sure if you'll want to run distcc or something on it, would you object if I replace ubuntu with debian?
  345. # [22:18] <@davidb> tbsaunde: it is your machine to do whatever helps out mission
  346. # [22:18] <@davidb> our
  347. # [22:18] <@davidb> i have no objection
  348. # [22:18] <@tbsaunde> welp, it managed to confuse me if nothing else :)
  349. # [22:18] <@davidb> heh
  350. # [22:18] <@davidb> go for it
  351. # [22:19] <@tbsaunde> cool
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  357. # [22:24] <@hub> tbsaunde: mutter louder
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  359. # [22:27] <@firebot> roc@ocallahan.org granted superreview for attachment 688627 on bug 810572.
  360. # [22:27] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=810572 nor, --, ---, surkov.alexander, ASSI, comb accessible type support
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