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  15. # [02:18] <@firebot> trev.saunders@gmail.com changed the Component on bug 820197 from General to Disability Access APIs.
  16. # [02:18] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=820197 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Fix build warnings in accessible
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  25. # [04:29] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com changed the Product on bug 810572 from Component: Core to Disability Access APIs.
  26. # [04:29] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=810572 nor, --, ---, surkov.alexander, ASSI, comb accessible type support
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  29. # [05:14] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org requested review from dbolter@mozilla.com for attachment 690699 on bug 817869.
  30. # [05:14] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=817869 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [AccessFu] Consolidate Android and B2G touch adapters
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  33. # [06:09] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com cancelled review?(surkov.alexander@gm ail.com) for attachment 690629 on bug 820197.
  34. # [06:10] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=820197 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Fix build warnings in accessible
  35. # [06:10] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com changed the Assignee on bug 820197 from nobody@mozilla.org to catalin.usurelu5@gmail.com.
  36. # [06:10] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 820197 from UNCONFIRMED to ASSIGNED.
  37. # [06:11] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com changed the Product on bug 820197 from Component: Core to Disability Access APIs.
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  62. # [10:31] <@firebot> catalin.usurelu5@gmail.com requested review from the wind for attachment 690778 on bug 820197.
  63. # [10:31] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=820197 nor, --, ---, catalin.usurelu5, ASSI, Fix build warnings in accessible
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  70. # [12:51] <@firebot> monahant@ie.ibm.com changed the Product on bug 452800 from Component: Firefox to Disability Access.
  71. # [12:51] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=452800 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, textarea and input styled borders do not display in high contrast mode
  72. # [12:52] <@firebot> monahant@ie.ibm.com changed the Product on bug 698710 from Component: Firefox to Disability Access.
  73. # [12:52] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=698710 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, In high contrast mode, "border-width" does not work for some elements like "input", "select"
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  83. # [14:41] <@firebot> deletesoftware+moz@yandex.ru changed the Resolution on bug 524001 from --- to WORKSFORME.
  84. # [14:41] <@firebot> deletesoftware+moz@yandex.ru changed the Status on bug 524001 from NEW to RESOLVED.
  85. # [14:41] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=524001 nor, --, ---, nobody, RESO WORKSFORME, Cannot navigate untrusted connection warning page with keyboard (for mouse-less installations)
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  91. # [15:12] <@davidb> heyo
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  94. # [15:15] <icaaq> surkov: Hi, I talked to marcoz the other day regarding <caption> and how content inside of that element is repeated in fx and NVDA. Here's a test http://icaaq.com/sandbox/table-caption.html
  95. # [15:16] <icaaq> he said: "We were asked to do this. I don't remember the details, surkov was working on this."
  96. # [15:16] <@surkov> icaaq: hi, details please?
  97. # [15:18] <icaaq> The double-speaking of the caption steams from the fact that it is once used to generate the accessible name for the table, and then it is an element that's rendered to the screen, so gets included in the virtual buffer there, too.
  98. # [15:19] <icaaq> If I for example use IE and NVDA it's not repeted. I'm just curious if you remember why you where told to do so :)
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  101. # [15:25] <Stevef> dbolter: henri mailed html list with feedack on main: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Dec/0069.html he also did a try build which i just tested and works fine with jaws and nvda
  102. # [15:26] <@davidb> excellent
  103. # [15:27] <@davidb> Stevef: what do you think about deprecating article?
  104. # [15:28] <Stevef> dbolter: i don't think it shouldbe deprecated asits sue cases are different, but i do think its use should be made clearer otherwise you end up with pages like this https://twitter.com/stevefaulkner/status/278092064737083392
  105. # [15:30] <Stevef> dbolter: also think that section needs a rethink as to its role/meaning since it is commonly used as a replacement for divs and unlike div is not semantically neautral
  106. # [15:33] <@davidb> yes.
  107. # [15:33] <@davidb> i agree
  108. # [15:35] <Stevef> also AT such as JAWS need to provide preferences for users to shut out noise and think about how they expose the semantics
  109. # [15:36] <Stevef> for example JAWS expsoes <article> as a landmark which it is not...
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  113. # [15:49] * @davidb nods
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  124. # [16:50] <@firebot> catalin.usurelu5@gmail.com requested review from the wind for attachment 690878 on bug 820197.
  125. # [16:50] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=820197 nor, --, ---, catalin.usurelu5, ASSI, Fix build warnings in accessible
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  127. # [16:52] <@davidb> http://beust.com/weblog/2011/06/15/sleep-sort/
  128. # [16:57] <askalski> davidb, ^ :D
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  132. # [17:11] <@firebot> jwatt@jwatt.org cancelled needinfo?(jwatt@jwatt.org) on bug 534873.
  133. # [17:11] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=534873 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [meta] SVG a11y
  134. # [17:12] <@firebot> edmorley.bz@edmorley.co.uk changed the Resolution on bug 819303 from --- to FIXED.
  135. # [17:12] <@firebot> edmorley.bz@edmorley.co.uk changed the Status on bug 819303 from ASSIGNED to RESOLVED.
  136. # [17:12] <@firebot> edmorley.bz@edmorley.co.uk changed the Target Milestone on bug 819303 from --- to mozilla20.
  137. # [17:12] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=819303 cri, --, mozilla20, dbolter, RESO FIXED, crash in nsTextEquivUtils::AppendTextEquivFromTextContent
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  139. # [17:17] <satdav> davidb, was wondering if I can book the accessibility room every thursday at 2pm pst for a accessibility websites meeting
  140. # [17:18] <@davidb> satdav: sure
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  142. # [17:18] <@davidb> just use it
  143. # [17:18] <satdav> davidb, who has the rights to record on it
  144. # [17:18] <@davidb> you want to record it?
  145. # [17:18] <satdav> was just asking in case their was a other meeting
  146. # [17:18] <@davidb> thanks. no other meeting then.
  147. # [17:18] <satdav> OK
  148. # [17:19] <satdav> davidb, what time is that were you are
  149. # [17:19] <@davidb> 5pm
  150. # [17:19] <satdav> OK
  151. # [17:19] <satdav> so you are just finished work
  152. # [17:19] <satdav> marcoz is not about today i see
  153. # [17:26] <satdav> davidb, whats the process for getting a blog setup for accessibility
  154. # [17:26] <@davidb> dunno
  155. # [17:26] <satdav> oh seen we dont have one
  156. # [17:26] <@davidb> we just use the main channels which his better IMO
  157. # [17:26] <@davidb> his/is
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  159. # [17:27] <satdav> yes
  160. # [17:27] <satdav> but sometimes blogging is better
  161. # [17:27] <@davidb> e.g. https://hacks.mozilla.org/category/accessibility/
  162. # [17:27] <satdav> can i file a bug to get it setup
  163. # [17:27] <satdav> for blog.mozilla.org/accessibility
  164. # [17:27] <@davidb> satdav: do you have a blog?
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  166. # [17:28] <satdav> not at present but maybe I can blog aboutsome of the accessibility related stuff
  167. # [17:28] <satdav> why does hacks not have about firefox features
  168. # [17:28] <@davidb> I think you should try blogging before going ahead and asking mozilla to set up a blog.
  169. # [17:28] <@davidb> satdav: i don't understand your question
  170. # [17:29] <satdav> I do blog
  171. # [17:29] <satdav> but dont really cover accessibility things
  172. # [17:29] <satdav> all of my blogs are linked to planet
  173. # [17:29] <@davidb> great
  174. # [17:30] <satdav> planet.mozilla.org
  175. # [17:30] <@davidb> I am aware of that yes.
  176. # [17:31] <satdav> David maybe i can speak to reed about setting up the hacks one to link to it
  177. # [17:32] <@davidb> link to what?
  178. # [17:32] <satdav> on planet
  179. # [17:32] <satdav> how do i add a blog to hacks
  180. # [17:33] <@davidb> people are usually selected and asked to write blogs for hacks
  181. # [17:33] <@davidb> i'm not aware of the process but you could search around
  182. # [17:34] <@davidb> it is about technology
  183. # [17:34] <satdav> cool
  184. # [17:35] <satdav> was going to ask you to add about the firefox accessibility
  185. # [17:35] <satdav> features we have got a kb about it
  186. # [17:35] <@davidb> more blogs will come - we're just busy
  187. # [17:35] <@davidb> speaking of which i can't chat too long ;)
  188. # [17:36] <satdav> OK
  189. # [17:36] <satdav> you herd from ken recently
  190. # [17:36] <@davidb> no :(
  191. # [17:37] <satdav> was wondering have you got anything accessibility related you want added on the channel meeting
  192. # [17:37] <@davidb> BTW have you seen http://blogaccessibility.com/
  193. # [17:38] <@davidb> satdav: can you remind me, what is the channel meeting for?
  194. # [17:38] <@davidb> is that for release team?
  195. # [17:39] <satdav> yes it is the release team
  196. # [17:39] <@davidb> yeah we don't have anything that needs to be discussed live i don't think
  197. # [17:40] <satdav> OK
  198. # [17:40] <@davidb> satdav: if you aren't aware - this is a great web a11y community http://webaim.org/community/
  199. # [17:42] <satdav> never herd of it
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  203. # [18:02] <eeejay> davidb, hi?
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  208. # [18:05] <satdav> icaaq1, wasw was wondering do you have any more bugs about sumo
  209. # [18:09] <icaaq1> satdav: I haven't been able to track them. don't have the time, Wish I had though :)
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  211. # [18:10] <icaaq> satdav: anything particular you had in mind?
  212. # [18:10] <satdav> icaaq, going to possible scedule a meeting with habber and john slater again and anyone else who is intrested in it
  213. # [18:10] <satdav> about accessibilty websites
  214. # [18:11] <icaaq> SUMO in particular or sandstone guidlines?
  215. # [18:12] <satdav> well all of mozilla
  216. # [18:12] <satdav> but for sumo i can possible do that
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  218. # [18:14] <icaaq> satdav: ok, When i see something I normally file a bug under the access keyword. I'haven't been looking at sumo for a while.
  219. # [18:15] <satdav> OK
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  223. # [18:49] <@firebot> dbolter@mozilla.com granted review for attachment 690699 on bug 817869.
  224. # [18:49] <@firebot> dbolter@mozilla.com changed the Product on bug 817869 from Component: Core to Disability Access APIs.
  225. # [18:49] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=817869 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [AccessFu] Consolidate Android and B2G touch adapters
  226. # [18:50] <@davidb> eeejay: i had a question on bug 818343
  227. # [18:50] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=818343 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [AccessFu] Introduce gesture quick navigation
  228. # [18:50] <@davidb> (comment 4)
  229. # [18:54] <eeejay> davidb, replied
  230. # [18:57] <@firebot> dbolter@mozilla.com granted review for attachment 688551 on bug 818343.
  231. # [19:06] <@davidb> eeejay: feel free to fix Marco's issue on a follow up
  232. # [19:06] <eeejay> davidb, the swipe distance one?
  233. # [19:06] <@davidb> yeah
  234. # [19:07] <eeejay> davidb, sure. i need to test that more
  235. # [19:07] <@davidb> ok
  236. # [19:07] <eeejay> it isn't trivial to keep gestures distinct
  237. # [19:08] <eeejay> swipes would mix with tabs
  238. # [19:08] <eeejay> Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together... mass hysteria!
  239. # [19:09] <satdav> davidb, is maroz going to be about tommorow
  240. # [19:16] <@davidb> satdav: yes afaik
  241. # [19:16] <satdav> OK
  242. # [19:16] <@davidb> eeejay: sounds complicated
  243. # [19:20] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org changed the Assignee on bug 818343 from nobody@mozilla.org to eitan@monotonous.org.
  244. # [19:20] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=818343 nor, --, ---, eitan, NEW, [AccessFu] Introduce gesture quick navigation
  245. # [19:21] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org changed the Assignee on bug 817869 from nobody@mozilla.org to eitan@monotonous.org.
  246. # [19:21] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=817869 nor, --, ---, eitan, NEW, [AccessFu] Consolidate Android and B2G touch adapters
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  248. # [20:02] <eeejay> bbiab
  249. # [20:03] <@firebot> deletesoftware+moz@yandex.ru changed the Component on bug 820454 from Untriaged to Keyboard Navigation.
  250. # [20:03] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=820454 enh, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Control+Right/Left does not change tab
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  255. # [20:27] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 820508 filed by hsivonen@iki.fi.
  256. # [20:27] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=820508 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Add support for <main> element
  257. # [20:32] <eeejay> davidb, yo
  258. # [20:33] <@davidb> hi hi - still in dev meeting
  259. # [20:33] <eeejay> davidb, k. i'm on skype whenever
  260. # [20:34] <@davidb> roger
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  263. # [20:41] <satdav> eeejay, you should use vidyo
  264. # [20:41] <eeejay> satdav, thanks
  265. # [20:42] <fxa90id_> ;(
  266. # [20:42] <fxa90id_> why I cant install firefox on my tablet
  267. # [20:42] <fxa90id_> ;(
  268. # [20:43] <@davidb> fxa90id_: it should be on google play
  269. # [20:43] <fxa90id_> it is
  270. # [20:44] <eeejay> fxa90id_, which tablet?
  271. # [20:44] <fxa90id_> but my device is not compataible
  272. # [20:44] <fxa90id_> ;d
  273. # [20:44] <fxa90id_> Plug Impact
  274. # [20:44] <fxa90id_> it has 1GB ram :<
  275. # [20:44] <fxa90id_> android 4.0.3
  276. # [20:45] <satdav> fxa90id_, try #firefox for help
  277. # [20:46] <fxa90id_> ok ty satdav
  278. # [20:46] <satdav> as this is the accessibility channel
  279. # [20:47] <satdav> fxa90id_, #mobile might be better
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  285. # [21:13] <fxa90id> ok done
  286. # [21:13] <fxa90id> I have Aurora version :)
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  291. # [22:05] <@davidb> ok heading out a bit early today…
  292. # [22:05] <@davidb> ciao!
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  294. # [22:05] <satdav> can i ask what everyone looks over the sumo design
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