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  1. # Session Start: Wed Dec 12 00:00:00 2012
  2. # Session Ident: #accessibility
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  5. # [00:19] <@firebot> catalin.usurelu5@gmail.com requested review from surkov.alexander@gm ail.com for attachment 690878 on bug 820197.
  6. # [00:19] <@firebot> catalin.usurelu5@gmail.com changed the Product on bug 820197 from Component: Core to Disability Access APIs.
  7. # [00:20] <@firebot> mike@w3.org changed the Product on bug 820508 from Component: Core to Disability Access APIs.
  8. # [00:20] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=820197 nor, --, ---, catalin.usurelu5, ASSI, Fix build warnings in accessible
  9. # [00:20] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=820508 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Add support for <main> element
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  15. # [01:40] <satdav> icaaq, ping
  16. # [01:40] <satdav> will you be about 11pm tommorow uk time
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  19. # [01:45] <icaaq> satdav: maybe, i need to turn my sleep back to normal. it's been a crazy couple of days. I'll ping you tomoorow and let you know
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  32. # [03:29] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com requested approval-mozilla-beta from the wind for attachment 689576 on bug 819242.
  33. # [03:29] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com requested approval-mozilla-aurora from the wind for attachment 689576 on bug 819242.
  34. # [03:29] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=819242 nor, --, mozilla20, surkov.alexander, RESO FIXED, JAWS needs old IServiceProvider::QueryService
  35. # [03:36] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com changed the Product on bug 820508 from Component: Core to Disability Access APIs.
  36. # [03:37] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=820508 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Add support for <main> element
  37. # [03:44] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com granted review for attachment 690878 on bug 820197.
  38. # [03:44] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=820197 nor, --, ---, catalin.usurelu5, ASSI, Fix build warnings in accessible
  39. # [03:54] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com cancelled review? for attachment 690778 on bug 820197.
  40. # [03:54] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com changed the Product on bug 820197 from Component: Core to Disability Access APIs.
  41. # [03:54] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=820197 nor, --, ---, catalin.usurelu5, ASSI, Fix build warnings in accessible
  42. # [03:55] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com changed the Product on bug 820197 from Component: Core to Disability Access APIs.
  43. # [04:08] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com changed the Resolution on bug 819583 from --- to WONTFIX.
  44. # [04:08] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 819583 from NEW to RESOLVED.
  45. # [04:08] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=819583 nor, --, ---, nobody, RESO WONTFIX, AT support of longdesc attribute on frame and iframe elements
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  50. # [06:27] <@firebot> ehsan@mozilla.com changed the Product on bug 794041 from Component: Core to Disability Access APIs.
  51. # [06:27] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=794041 nor, --, ---, ttaubert, ASSI, nsAccDocManager shouldn't create a RootAccessible for the hiddenWindow
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  68. # [11:07] <@firebot> edmorley.bz@edmorley.co.uk changed the Resolution on bug 818343 from --- to FIXED.
  69. # [11:07] <@firebot> edmorley.bz@edmorley.co.uk changed the Status on bug 818343 from NEW to RESOLVED.
  70. # [11:07] <@firebot> edmorley.bz@edmorley.co.uk changed the Target Milestone on bug 818343 from --- to mozilla20.
  71. # [11:08] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=818343 nor, --, mozilla20, eitan, RESO FIXED, [AccessFu] Introduce gesture quick navigation
  72. # [11:08] <@firebot> edmorley.bz@edmorley.co.uk changed the Resolution on bug 817869 from --- to FIXED.
  73. # [11:08] <@firebot> edmorley.bz@edmorley.co.uk changed the Status on bug 817869 from NEW to RESOLVED.
  74. # [11:08] <@firebot> edmorley.bz@edmorley.co.uk changed the Target Milestone on bug 817869 from --- to mozilla20.
  75. # [11:08] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=817869 nor, --, mozilla20, eitan, RESO FIXED, [AccessFu] Consolidate Android and B2G touch adapters
  76. # [11:13] <@marcoz> surkov: Hi!
  77. # [11:13] <@surkov> hey, marcoz !
  78. # [11:14] <@marcoz> surkov: Remember a while ago when we talked about object attributes and how to easier get them into AccessFu? I mean without having to parse the whole bunch if I only want to get one instance?
  79. # [11:14] <@marcoz> surkov: The two scenarios I need this for are:
  80. # [11:15] <@surkov> marcoz: sure
  81. # [11:15] <@marcoz> 1. Landmarks. I basically want the ability to ask the current accessible for its landmark, be it explicit or inherited, so AccessFu can speak it.
  82. # [11:15] <@marcoz> 2. The second is the filtering of layout tables. i basically do want to expose table semantics, but only for data tables.
  83. # [11:16] <@surkov> marcoz: yeah, that would be useful method, do you have any data how the existing one is unperformant?
  84. # [11:18] <@marcoz> surkov: I only need to look at what the tests do to get and parse the object attributes, and am scared.
  85. # [11:18] <@marcoz> :)
  86. # [11:18] <@surkov> :)
  87. # [11:19] <@marcoz> surkov: If I can avoid getting those big JS chunks from attributes.js into AccessFu and have smaller, more elegant API calls into NSIAccessible instead that would be fantastic. :)
  88. # [11:19] <@surkov> did you ask tbsaunde if he would like to take it?
  89. # [11:19] <@marcoz> Not yet.
  90. # [11:20] <@surkov> ok, we pinged him, let see what he will say
  91. # [11:20] <@marcoz> surkov: If I look at attributes.js, I have a feeling I don't need all of that stuff. But it's difficult to figure out which parts I need and which I don't.
  92. # [11:20] <@surkov> if not then I could take it I guess
  93. # [11:23] <@marcoz> surkov: Or do you think the performance hit to ask for attributes isn't that big a deal and I should go ahead with something JS-ish for AccessFu?
  94. # [11:23] <@surkov> marcoz: it depends how often you get them
  95. # [11:24] <@surkov> say if you moved a cursor and then obtained object attributes for one thing then it's not a problem
  96. # [11:24] <@surkov> but if you scan a document and get attributes for every element then it should be a hit
  97. # [11:26] <@marcoz> surkov: Probably no scanning of a whole document. The attributes would be asked for if I touch an object on the screen or move to it via swiping or quick navigation.
  98. # [11:26] <@surkov> then it shouldn't be a problem
  99. # [11:27] <@surkov> if you don't' traverse a lot of object when you swipe
  100. # [11:27] <@surkov> like a swiping though whole page and get every element you moved on
  101. # [11:27] <@surkov> on/over
  102. # [11:27] <@marcoz> surkov: That's the thing: Does the landmark object attribute get passed down to children, or do I need to crawl up the parent chain to get the xml:role obj attr?
  103. # [11:28] <@surkov> you need to crawl to parent
  104. # [11:29] <@surkov> marcoz: but in general I think you should have some code to measure feedback on user input, otherwise you will end up with slow browser I afraid
  105. # [11:29] <@marcoz> surkov: Theoretically I could manually swipe through a whole page to read it in whole. So the object attributes would be asked for whenever a new object is reached. Basically the announcement should be that a new landmark region was entered or the old one left, and also a mechanism to move to the next landmark region. The latter would be done via a pivot.
  106. # [11:29] <@surkov> I see, it can be slow
  107. # [11:30] <@surkov> and even fast attributes might be not helpful :)
  108. # [11:30] <@surkov> you need to test
  109. # [11:30] <@marcoz> surkov: So that's why I thought of an API enhancement that would do this crawling and getting the landmark for me in the C++ core, since that will most likely be faster than me doing this from JS.
  110. # [11:30] <@surkov> having fast methods is always a plus
  111. # [11:31] <@surkov> I suggested to wait what trev will say and if he wouldn't like to take that bug then I think I can do that
  112. # [11:31] <@surkov> it shouldn't be really ahrd
  113. # [11:31] <@marcoz> surkov: OK, let's wait for tbsaunde's thoughts.
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  116. # [12:38] <@firebot> rajeshcode@hotmail.com changed the Product on bug 368873 from Component: Core to Disability Access APIs.
  117. # [12:39] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=368873 nor, --, ---, nobody, REOP, [meta] IAccessible2 API support
  118. # [12:39] <@firebot> rajeshcode@hotmail.com changed the Product on bug 368873 from Component: Core to Disability Access APIs.
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  127. # [13:46] <@firebot> catalin.usurelu5@gmail.com requested review from surkov.alexander@gm ail.com for attachment 691288 on bug 820197.
  128. # [13:46] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=820197 nor, --, ---, catalin.usurelu5, ASSI, Fix build warnings in accessible
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  135. # [14:42] <@firebot> bugzilla@mversen.de changed the Component on bug 820761 from Untriaged to Disability Access APIs.
  136. # [14:42] <@firebot> bugzilla@mversen.de changed the Product on bug 820761 from Firefox to Core.
  137. # [14:42] <@firebot> bugzilla@mversen.de changed the Product on bug 820761 from Component: Core to Disability Access APIs.
  138. # [14:42] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=820761 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, IAccessible2 interface failed in Mozilla version 18(beta), why?
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  142. # [14:57] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com granted review for attachment 691288 on bug 820197.
  143. # [14:57] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=820197 nor, --, ---, catalin.usurelu5, ASSI, Fix build warnings in accessible
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  145. # [14:57] <@firebot> marco.zehe@googlemail.com changed the Status on bug 818343 from RESOLVED to VERIFIED.
  146. # [14:57] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=818343 nor, --, mozilla20, eitan, VERI FIXED, [AccessFu] Introduce gesture quick navigation
  147. # [14:58] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com changed the Product on bug 820197 from Component: Core to Disability Access APIs.
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  155. # [15:10] <@tbsaunde> marcoz: for checking if something is a layout table why don't you just use nsIAccessibleTable.isProbablyLayoutTable?
  156. # [15:12] <@tbsaunde> marcoz: I guess I can work on the attribute stuff in the next week or so, but other than maybe being slow which you'd need to test why not just use what we have? the xpcom goo is probably a little gooffey, but I doubt its hard
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  158. # [15:18] <@davidb> hub: i commented a friendly reminder
  159. # [15:18] <@davidb> you don't necessarily have to take the bug of course
  160. # [15:19] <@davidb> hi marcoz tbsaunde
  161. # [15:19] <@davidb> heyo!
  162. # [15:19] <@hub> yeah
  163. # [15:19] <@marcoz> hi davidb!
  164. # [15:19] <@hub> I was filing a few new bugs
  165. # [15:19] <@davidb> hub: cool
  166. # [15:20] <@davidb> marcoz: how was the party?
  167. # [15:20] <@marcoz> Hi tbsaunde: Oh, does NSIAccessibleTable now expose the isProbablyForLayout method? Must have overlooked it in the IDL when I looked the other day.
  168. # [15:20] <@tbsaunde> marcoz: its been there as long as I remember :)
  169. # [15:20] <@tbsaunde> davidb: no meeting right?
  170. # [15:21] <@davidb> http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/accessible/public/nsIAccessibleTable.idl#220
  171. # [15:21] <@davidb> tbsaunde: right
  172. # [15:21] <@marcoz> davidb: The party was great, and we have an invitation to hold an accessibility work week when the new office space is done some time mid next year. :)
  173. # [15:21] <@davidb> haha! already working it I see :)
  174. # [15:21] <@marcoz> davidb: Thanks!
  175. # [15:22] <@davidb> np
  176. # [15:22] <@marcoz> davidb: Did you see the pictures me, Axel Hecht (pike) and others made of the gingerbread houses? :)
  177. # [15:22] <@davidb> i saw one yeah
  178. # [15:22] <@hub> so next week, I'll me joining your from Montreal.
  179. # [15:23] <@davidb> marcoz: when is office completion expected?
  180. # [15:23] <@davidb> hub: indeed
  181. # [15:23] <@marcoz> davidb: Tentatively July.
  182. # [15:23] <@davidb> hub: i am slightly jealous
  183. # [15:23] <@davidb> marcoz: ok maybe we can do something near year end 2013
  184. # [15:24] <@hub> awesome
  185. # [15:24] <@marcoz> Sounds fantastic! :)
  186. # [15:24] <@davidb> i'm hoping for a toronto work week in june or so
  187. # [15:24] <@marcoz> Let's see how the year plays out.
  188. # [15:24] <@davidb> yes
  189. # [15:25] <@davidb> gonna restart for updates
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  193. # [15:39] <@firebot> epinal99-bugzilla@yahoo.fr requested needinfo from rajeshcode@hotmai l.com on bug 820761.
  194. # [15:40] <@firebot> epinal99-bugzilla@yahoo.fr changed the Product on bug 820761 from Component: Core to Disability Access APIs.
  195. # [15:40] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=820761 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, IAccessible2 interface failed in Mozilla version 18(beta), why?
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  198. # [16:15] <@marcoz> "not updating. Path contains illegal component". Mercurial, sometimes I hate you. It's full cloning time again.
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  212. # [17:15] <satdav> davidb, ping
  213. # [17:15] <satdav> marcoz, ping
  214. # [17:16] <satdav> marcoz, what time gmt is good for you to meet up as i am going to do a mozilla call for accessiblity website
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  225. # [18:11] <fxa90id> hi
  226. # [18:12] <@tbsaunde> hi
  227. # [18:13] <fxa90id> can I install FirefoxOS
  228. # [18:13] <fxa90id> on my tablet ? :)
  229. # [18:14] <@tbsaunde> maybe? why would I know?
  230. # [18:14] <@hub> fxa90id: no
  231. # [18:15] <fxa90id> ;(
  232. # [18:15] <satdav> davidb, we still doing tb accessibility
  233. # [18:15] <fxa90id> hub, how can I do it working on my device :) ?
  234. # [18:15] <@hub> fxa90id: port the whole shebang
  235. # [18:16] <fxa90id> hmm
  236. # [18:16] <fxa90id> challange accepted
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  238. # [18:17] <@hub> fxa90id: then #b2g is the right channel
  239. # [18:17] <fxa90id> you dont like me here ? :(
  240. # [18:17] <fxa90id> throwing me away to b2g
  241. # [18:20] <@hub> fxa90id: not what I'm saying
  242. # [18:20] <@hub> fxa90id: just that if you want help doing b2g stuff over they you might even get help :-)
  243. # [18:21] <fxa90id> oh ;d
  244. # [18:21] <fxa90id> true ;p
  245. # [18:21] <fxa90id> but I want to help you too :)
  246. # [18:21] <fxa90id> but I have a problem :(
  247. # [18:21] <fxa90id> with #678477
  248. # [18:22] <@hub> bug 678477
  249. # [18:22] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=678477 nor, --, ---, michaljev, ASSI, change ownership of nsCaretAccessible
  250. # [18:23] <@tbsaunde> fxa90id: what is your question?
  251. # [18:23] <satdav> hub, got a possible feature change on http://www.mozilla.org/access/
  252. # [18:23] <satdav> do i file a bug for it
  253. # [18:24] <fxa90id> I dont know how should I return to other classes CaretManager
  254. # [18:24] <fxa90id> foucsManager has method getFocusMgr() or something like that
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  259. # [18:31] <satdav> hub, is the accessibility meeting started yet
  260. # [18:31] <@tbsaunde> fxa90id: no, there's just a global function at the bottom of nsAccessibilityService.cpp
  261. # [18:32] <@tbsaunde> to get the focus manager, just add a similar one
  262. # [18:32] <satdav> tbsaunde, do you know if i have missed the meeting
  263. # [18:32] <satdav> as going to possible add a round table iteam
  264. # [18:32] <satdav> for a discussion
  265. # [18:32] <@tbsaunde> satdav: I have no idea what meeting oyu are talking about
  266. # [18:32] <satdav> OK
  267. # [18:32] <satdav> the accessibility one
  268. # [18:39] <fxa90id> tbsaunde, I'll try :)
  269. # [18:42] <@hub> satdav: there was no meeting today
  270. # [18:42] <satdav> OK
  271. # [18:42] <@hub> satdav: and it would have been 2 hours ago had it happened
  272. # [18:43] <satdav> hub, was wondering can we archive mozilla.org/access or move it to wiki
  273. # [18:43] <@hub> it is at 10:30AM Eastern when it happens
  274. # [18:43] <@hub> satdav: you are asking the wrong person. I have no idea what you are talking about
  275. # [18:44] <satdav> that page
  276. # [18:44] <satdav> as i want to add some more stuff to it
  277. # [18:47] <@hub> again, I have no idea
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  279. # [18:49] <satdav> is it david about that
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  283. # [18:57] <satdav> hub, will email david about it
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  299. # [21:13] <@firebot> akeybl@mozilla.com granted approval-mozilla-beta for attachment 689576 on bug 819242.
  300. # [21:13] <@firebot> akeybl@mozilla.com granted approval-mozilla-aurora for attachment 689576 on bug 819242.
  301. # [21:13] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=819242 nor, --, mozilla20, surkov.alexander, RESO FIXED, JAWS needs old IServiceProvider::QueryService
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  305. # [22:02] <icaaq> https://www.facebook.com/clint.hall/posts/101005573402988 cool stuff
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  319. # [23:03] <satdav> icaaq, ping
  320. # [23:03] <satdav> do you fancy a meeting at 11
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  322. # [23:04] <icaaq> satdav: sorry, need some sleep.
  323. # [23:04] <satdav> OK
  324. # [23:04] <satdav> OK
  325. # [23:09] <satdav> hub, or anyone you free in 45 minutes
  326. # [23:09] <satdav> to come to a meeting
  327. # [23:10] <@hub> satdav: nope. I'm on a train
  328. # [23:10] <satdav> OK
  329. # [23:10] <satdav> it was just for 4 minutes or so
  330. # [23:11] <satdav> to tell us about the mmobile accessibiliity features
  331. # [23:11] <satdav> davidb, or tbsaunde can you do it if free
  332. # [23:11] <@davidb> nope
  333. # [23:11] <@davidb> busy busy
  334. # [23:12] <satdav> https://etherpad.mozilla.org/mobile-2012-12-12
  335. # [23:12] <satdav> davidb, would it be possible for next week
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  339. # [23:27] <satdav> hub, do you know marcoz eail
  340. # [23:27] <satdav> email
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