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  1. # Session Start: Thu Dec 13 00:00:00 2012
  2. # Session Ident: #accessibility
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  5. # [00:32] <satdav> surkov, do you know marcoz email address
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  7. # [01:28] <@firebot> satdav.mozilla@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 644485 from UNCONFIRMED to NEW.
  8. # [01:28] <@firebot> satdav.mozilla@gmail.com changed the Product on bug 644485 from Component: Firefox to Disability Access.
  9. # [01:28] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=644485 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Add an Accessibility Tab to Firefox Options
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  11. # [01:30] <@firebot> satdav.mozilla@gmail.com requested needinfo from KenSaunders@Acces sFirefox.org on bug 644485.
  12. # [01:30] <@firebot> satdav.mozilla@gmail.com changed the Product on bug 644485 from Component: Firefox to Disability Access.
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  14. # [01:38] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com set status-firefox18 to fixed on bug 819242.
  15. # [01:38] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com set status-firefox19 to fixed on bug 819242.
  16. # [01:39] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com set status-firefox20 to fixed on bug 819242.
  17. # [01:39] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=819242 nor, --, mozilla20, surkov.alexander, RESO FIXED, JAWS needs old IServiceProvider::QueryService
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  36. # [04:55] <@tbsaunde> surkov: see what I put in the attribute getter bug?
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  39. # [05:26] <@firebot> rajeshcode@hotmail.com cancelled needinfo?(rajeshcode@hotmai l.com) on bug 820761.
  40. # [05:26] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=820761 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, IAccessible2 interface failed in Mozilla version 18(beta), why?
  41. # [05:38] <@tbsaunde> surkov: around?
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  44. # [07:11] <@surkov> tbsaunde: yeah, I saw, need to think a little bit
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  47. # [07:39] <@tbsaunde> surkov: so, are you fine if I start moving stuff out of nsAccessNode soon?
  48. # [07:40] <@surkov> tbsaunde: it seems AT are in good shape, so yes
  49. # [07:40] <@tbsaunde> surkov: ok :)
  50. # [07:40] <@surkov> but it's better start from removing nsAccessNodeWrap
  51. # [07:40] <@surkov> then we'll just merge nsAccessNode and nsAccessible
  52. # [07:44] <@tbsaunde> surkov: I sort of figure its nicest to move methods at a time instead of all at once
  53. # [07:44] <@surkov> ok
  54. # [07:44] <@tbsaunde> and I want to start by making GetNode() non-virtual, but that'll take some work still
  55. # [07:44] <@surkov> mContent vs mDocument, how?
  56. # [07:45] <@tbsaunde> surkov: return IsDoc() ? AsDoc()->DocumentNode() : mContent;
  57. # [07:45] <@surkov> ok :)
  58. # [07:46] <@surkov> you think it's faster than virtual?
  59. # [07:46] <@tbsaunde> yeah, probably
  60. # [07:48] <@tbsaunde> I'd really hope AsDoc() gets inlined so, its just one branch and then a store
  61. # [07:48] <@tbsaunde> err, load
  62. # [07:49] <@surkov> ok
  63. # [07:49] <@surkov> \
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  66. # [09:26] <@firebot> trev.saunders@gmail.com granted review for attachment 689637 on bug 819280.
  67. # [09:26] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=819280 nor, --, ---, jacek, NEW, Fix GCC warnings in Windows accessibility code
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  72. # [10:29] <@firebot> KenSaunders@AccessFirefox.org cancelled needinfo?(KenSaunders@Acces sFirefox.org) on bug 644485.
  73. # [10:29] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=644485 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Add an Accessibility Tab to Firefox Options
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  127. # [15:17] <@marcoz> Morning davidb!
  128. # [15:17] <@davidb> hi!
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  131. # [15:29] <@davidb> marcoz: PMed ya
  132. # [15:29] <@davidb> hi tbsaunde
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  137. # [15:44] <@marcoz> davidb: Replied.
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  139. # [15:56] <@tbsaunde> davidb: hi
  140. # [15:56] <@davidb> heyo
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  148. # [16:50] <@firebot> trev.saunders@gmail.com changed the Component on bug 821269 from Untriaged to Disability Access APIs.
  149. # [16:50] <@firebot> trev.saunders@gmail.com changed the Product on bug 821269 from Firefox to Core.
  150. # [16:50] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=821269 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Fix build warnings in accessible/src/html
  151. # [16:57] <@firebot> edmorley.bz@edmorley.co.uk changed the Resolution on bug 819280 from --- to FIXED.
  152. # [16:57] <@firebot> edmorley.bz@edmorley.co.uk changed the Status on bug 819280 from NEW to RESOLVED.
  153. # [16:57] <@firebot> edmorley.bz@edmorley.co.uk changed the Target Milestone on bug 819280 from --- to mozilla20.
  154. # [16:57] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=819280 nor, --, mozilla20, jacek, RESO FIXED, Fix GCC warnings in Windows accessibility code
  155. # [16:57] <@firebot> trev.saunders@gmail.com cancelled review? for attachment 691789 on bug 821269.
  156. # [17:00] <@davidb> tbsaunde: the contributor on bug 821269 is new so probably needs a helping hand on how to move forward
  157. # [17:02] <@tbsaunde> davidb: about all they can do atm is wait
  158. # [17:02] <@davidb> tbsaunde: maybe suggest a similar bug or a diff bug?
  159. # [17:03] <@davidb> or is their current patch good minus the table stuff
  160. # [17:03] <@davidb> i just don't want them to feel stopped/denied
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  163. # [17:11] <@tbsaunde> davidb: not really sure since its all table stuff, but the patch isn't very good, they updated a interface class, but no impl of the method they changed
  164. # [17:12] <@tbsaunde> davidb: I'm not aware of other bugs off hand
  165. # [17:12] <@davidb> oh that is bad
  166. # [17:12] <@davidb> ok
  167. # [17:12] <@davidb> if you decide to point that out i'd recommend using direct email
  168. # [17:13] <@davidb> i mean if you want to ask them if they know C++ or something :)
  169. # [17:13] <@davidb> but leaving it seems fine
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  182. # [19:47] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 821396 filed by catalinn.iordache@gmail.com.
  183. # [19:47] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=821396 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Fix build warnings in content/media/dash
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  191. # [20:45] * eeejay waves "hi, sorry. late morning"
  192. # [20:46] <@davidb> well it's about time!
  193. # [20:46] <@davidb> j/k
  194. # [20:47] <satdav> davidb, did you get the email i sent you
  195. # [20:48] <@davidb> satdav: yes, why did you send me that email? people know if they need help they can come directly to me or marco or whoever.
  196. # [20:49] <@davidb> ideally it is about work that is currently happening and there are concrete questions.
  197. # [20:49] <@davidb> i'm most interested in work, least interested in new meetings.
  198. # [20:59] <@davidb> eeejay: is the eyes-free list making your day?
  199. # [20:59] <satdav> davidb, I was asked if their is any training you can give to ux
  200. # [21:00] <@davidb> satdav: who asked?
  201. # [21:00] <eeejay> davidb, didn't get actual feedback yet, but it is funny folks posted about it before we did.
  202. # [21:01] <@davidb> eeejay: yeah,
  203. # [21:04] <satdav> brambles,
  204. # [21:04] <satdav> bram
  205. # [21:04] <satdav> i was speaking to him and said maybe we can get accessibility training
  206. # [21:05] <satdav> whois brambles
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  209. # [21:29] <satdav> hi habber you about
  210. # [21:29] <@firebot> catalinn.iordache@gmail.com requested review from the wind for attachment 691894 on bug 821396.
  211. # [21:29] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=821396 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Fix build warnings in content/media/dash
  212. # [21:29] <satdav> oh davidb who do i pass a firefox ui bug to
  213. # [21:29] <@davidb> satdav: do you mean a bug that is already in bugzilla?
  214. # [21:30] <satdav> yes
  215. # [21:30] <@davidb> satdav: I'm not sure what "pass" means
  216. # [21:31] <satdav> davidb, I mean who do i assign a ui bug to what team do i move it to
  217. # [21:31] <satdav> would it be core
  218. # [21:32] <@davidb> Firefox UI bugs are generally not in core.
  219. # [21:32] <satdav> OK
  220. # [21:32] <satdav> well its for all firefox
  221. # [21:32] <satdav> so in firefox
  222. # [21:32] <@davidb> Whether you can assign someone or not depends on who, and meritocracy.
  223. # [21:32] <@davidb> Right, Firefox sounds like the correct product.
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  225. # [21:34] <satdav> OK
  226. # [21:34] <satdav> will move it
  227. # [21:35] <satdav> habber, bug v
  228. # [21:35] <satdav> bug 724672 is the access page one
  229. # [21:35] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=724672 nor, --, Future, booboobenny+bugzilla, NEW, [One Mozilla clean-up] Accessibility Content
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  233. # [21:51] <@davidb> hi hub aren't you on PTO?
  234. # [21:53] <satdav> hub is
  235. # [21:57] <eeejay> hub, moving to french canada?
  236. # [21:58] <scott_gonzalez> In jQuery UI, we're using role="progressbar" aria-valuemin="0" for indeterminate progress indicators, but NVDA and JAWS don't annouce anything. Is Firefox exposing anything in that case?
  237. # [22:03] <@tbsaunde> scott_gonzalez: I'd expect a accessible with role=ROLE_SYSTEM_PROGRESSBAR to be created
  238. # [22:04] <@hub> davidb: I am on a train back Toronto
  239. # [22:04] <@hub> davidb: I just happen to have IRC on
  240. # [22:04] <@davidb> nice
  241. # [22:04] <@hub> wifi is better on the train than at the hotel
  242. # [22:05] <scott_gonzalez> It works with VoiceOver, but I'm never sure if the AT is reaching into the DOM or just using the info provided by the browser.
  243. # [22:05] <@tbsaunde> scott_gonzalez: well, you could check with dom inspector or the windows specific things
  244. # [22:06] <scott_gonzalez> tbsaunde: The inspector shows what accessible info is being exposed?
  245. # [22:07] <@hub> scott_gonzalez: it shows at the Firefox level
  246. # [22:09] <@firebot> continuation@gmail.com changed the Component on bug 821111 from Untriaged to Disability Access APIs.
  247. # [22:09] <@firebot> continuation@gmail.com changed the Product on bug 821111 from Firefox to Core.
  248. # [22:09] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=821111 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, FIx build warnings in accesible/
  249. # [22:11] <@hub> sitting next to a Firefox user. I see a "AVG Secure Search" bar at the top. *groan*
  250. # [22:11] <eeejay> never could be too secure..
  251. # [22:11] <satdav> eeejay, can i file a bug to watch the componant for disability access
  252. # [22:11] <scott_gonzalez> Where exactly does this info appear? I see the DOM tree in the markup panel, the style rules on the right, but no panel with accessibility info.
  253. # [22:12] <eeejay> satdav, no
  254. # [22:13] <@hub> scott_gonzalez: there is a popup button at the top to select "Accessible tree"
  255. # [22:13] <@hub> instead
  256. # [22:13] <@hub> scott_gonzalez: http://asurkov.blogspot.ca/2012/02/dom-inspector-as-accessibility-tool.html
  257. # [22:15] <satdav> why is that
  258. # [22:15] <scott_gonzalez> hub: Oh, this is an extension, not the built-in inspector.
  259. # [22:16] <satdav> I can file a bug and that
  260. # [22:17] <@tbsaunde> satdav: because you can just do it somewhere in the preferences?
  261. # [22:18] <satdav> oh
  262. # [22:18] <satdav> forgot
  263. # [22:20] <scott_gonzalez> So it exposes xml-roles=progressbar, but if there's now aria-valuenow it exposes a blank valuetext.
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  265. # [22:21] <scott_gonzalez> There doesn't appear to be any indiciation that it's indeterminate.
  266. # [22:21] <satdav> tbsaunde, what office you based in
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  268. # [22:28] <@tbsaunde> scott_gonzalez: why owuld there be?
  269. # [22:28] <@tbsaunde> satdav: toronto
  270. # [22:28] <satdav> oh same as rolland
  271. # [22:30] <@hub> satdav: if it is the same roland, no.
  272. # [22:30] <satdav> oh
  273. # [22:30] <satdav> hes vancover i am sure
  274. # [22:31] <@hub> it is like 5000km apart
  275. # [22:34] <satdav> whoa
  276. # [22:38] <scott_gonzalez> tbsaunde: Are screen readers supposed to just infer that it's indeterminate because there's no valuetext?
  277. # [22:42] <@tbsaunde> scott_gonzalez: I guess? I'm not aware of a platform state for indeterminate
  278. # [22:42] <@tbsaunde> but I haven't really thought about it....
  279. # [22:43] <scott_gonzalez> Ok, so it's possible that NVDA and JAWS just don't have the concept of indeterminate progress indicators?
  280. # [22:44] <@tbsaunde> maybe? I really just don't know right now :(
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  285. # [23:43] <@firebot> trev.saunders@gmail.com changed the Component on bug 821396 from Disability Access APIs to DOM.
  286. # [23:44] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=821396 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Fix build warnings in content/media/dash
  287. # [23:47] <@firebot> trev.saunders@gmail.com changed the Resolution on bug 821111 from --- to DUPLICATE.
  288. # [23:47] <@firebot> trev.saunders@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 821111 from UNCONFIRMED to RESOLVED.
  289. # [23:47] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=821111 nor, --, ---, nobody, RESO DUPLICATE, FIx build warnings in accesible/
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