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  1. # Session Start: Thu Dec 20 00:00:00 2012
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  22. # [03:15] <@firebot> catalinn.iordache@gmail.com requested review from trev.saunders@gmail .com for attachment 694179 on bug 821269.
  23. # [03:15] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=821269 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Fix build warnings in accessible/src/html
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  29. # [04:44] <@tbsaunde> surkov: btw no, that CC patch doesn't really help with native classes and inheritance though it makes handling native classes in general somewhat nices
  30. # [04:45] <@tbsaunde> but we could get CC of events correct if we wanted to, but I'm not sure I see the point, it really should be hard to not ref count them
  31. # [04:45] <@surkov> tbsaunde: ok, thank you for remembering that question :)
  32. # [04:45] <@tbsaunde> surkov: np, anything else up?
  33. # [04:46] <@surkov> tbsaunde: how we can get them correct?
  34. # [04:46] <@surkov> tbsaunde: are you fine if I file a bug for your concern about that perf issue
  35. # [04:46] <@tbsaunde> surkov: I guess so
  36. # [04:46] <@surkov> ok, I will do that way then
  37. # [04:47] <@tbsaunde> surkov: ok
  38. # [04:48] <@tbsaunde> surkov: all you haveto do is tell the CC about all the members of the given class by downcasting to the right type in the Traverse function and downcasting and getting rid all refrences for the downcasted type in Unlink
  39. # [04:49] <@surkov> tbsaunde: can you put into the bug a shortcut please, I would avoid to read CC internals
  40. # [04:49] <@surkov> shortcut -> code snippet
  41. # [04:50] <@tbsaunde> surkov: nsCycleCollectionParticipant.h isn't that bad, but I guess so
  42. # [04:50] <@surkov> iirc it has a lot of macros :) I don't like reading them
  43. # [04:50] <@tbsaunde> really though I don't know why you want to bother is nearly as much work as not reference counting them
  44. # [04:51] <@tbsaunde> lazy ;)
  45. # [04:51] <@tbsaunde> surkov: which bug btw?
  46. # [04:51] <@surkov> yep, I'm lazy about things that might require some time but I just need to use them once and then forget about them :)
  47. # [04:52] <@surkov> hm, if we have it at all
  48. # [04:52] <@surkov> tbsaunde: bug 812767
  49. # [04:52] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=812767 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, move out event processing logging from NotificationController
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  52. # [05:03] <@tbsaunde> surkov: btw plans to use AcctableChangeEvent? or is it just there to look nice?
  53. # [05:28] <@surkov> tbsaunde: nobody said they need it, it stays from times when we wanted to implement new APIs (ATK and IA2)
  54. # [05:30] <@tbsaunde> surkov: ok, I wonder if its really worth keeping instead of just readding if somebody ever asks
  55. # [05:30] <@surkov> tbsaunde: then we should probably wont fix related bugs
  56. # [05:31] <@surkov> tbsaunde: let's wait on it, probably UIA needs that
  57. # [05:31] <@tbsaunde> surkov: I'm not sure I agree its not like we really try and implement anything there
  58. # [05:31] <@tbsaunde> but I guess if you like to keep it doesn't hurt too much
  59. # [05:32] <@surkov> yep, we have two ongoing kind of new API (os x and UIA), probably they need that
  60. # [05:32] <@surkov> but if they don't and nobody else wants it then it makes sense to remove it
  61. # [05:33] <@surkov> perhaps Orca knowns, I think IA2 just copied those events from ATK spec
  62. # [05:33] <@tbsaunde> surkov: I"m not sure, I sort of thought atk was coppied from ia2
  63. # [05:35] <@surkov> no, no, vice versa
  64. # [05:35] <@surkov> people created ATK and then they decided to have similar things on IA2
  65. # [05:36] <@surkov> I was here when IA2 was born, that was my first serious work: implement IA2 in Fireofx
  66. # [05:36] <@tbsaunde> surkov: btw any thoughts on text stuff?
  67. # [05:36] <@surkov> they had ATK implementation already
  68. # [05:36] <@tbsaunde> surkov: ah
  69. # [05:37] <@surkov> tbsaunde: sometimes I think maybe we should give green light to UIA which have different text concept before reworking our text impl
  70. # [05:40] <@surkov> tbsaunde: why do you ask?
  71. # [05:40] <@tbsaunde> surkov: just sort of keep in mind working on our text impl
  72. # [05:41] <@surkov> ok, cool
  73. # [05:41] <@tbsaunde> surkov: I'm not sure what you mean give uia green light
  74. # [05:41] <@surkov> tbsaunde: I meant do it prior to ia2 text rewrok
  75. # [05:41] <@tbsaunde> surkov: well, some bits of uia depend on it no?
  76. # [05:42] <@surkov> sure, they are
  77. # [05:42] <@surkov> but mostly on tree I think
  78. # [05:42] <@surkov> I looked at UIA text half year ago so I don't really recall details
  79. # [05:42] <@surkov> I remember I wanted to build it in parallel with out text impl
  80. # [05:43] <@tbsaunde> surkov: well, getting tree stuff working for uia shouldn't be too hard
  81. # [05:43] <@tbsaunde> surkov: you mean build it as completely seperate thing?
  82. # [05:43] <@surkov> I meant do not reuse ia2 text impl for uia text
  83. # [05:43] <@surkov> yep, sort of
  84. # [05:44] <@tbsaunde> surkov: ok, if I work on it I'll probably just add new text interfaces to xpcom
  85. # [05:44] <@tbsaunde> so I can test without running uia :)
  86. # [05:44] <@surkov> we need something on xpcom level for that I agree
  87. # [05:44] <@surkov> basically that should be just one more interface I think
  88. # [05:45] <@tbsaunde> yeah, probably
  89. # [05:46] <@tbsaunde> surkov: ideas on how impl should work?
  90. # [05:46] <@surkov> tbsaunde: I really don't remember, it was half year ago before vacations
  91. # [05:46] <@surkov> do you want to work on it?
  92. # [05:47] <@surkov> if so I could recall my findings and put them into a bug
  93. # [05:47] <@tbsaunde> surkov: well, I want to work on many things :)
  94. # [05:47] <@tbsaunde> but I'm not sure which I'll actually do
  95. # [05:48] <@surkov> I see. Ok, I'll put there then eventually :)
  96. # [05:49] <@surkov> tbsaunde: btw, don't you want to work on text attribute thing (bug 746484), we were asked to implement it
  97. # [05:49] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=746484 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, text attributes concept don't get mapped well to nsIPersistentProperties
  98. # [05:50] <@tbsaunde> surkov: sure, that's one of many things
  99. # [05:50] <@surkov> tbsaunde: ok, then assign the bug if you start working on it, I might be picking it up in nearest future
  100. # [05:51] <@tbsaunde> surkov: oh, is it blocking you?
  101. # [05:52] <@surkov> tbsaunde: it's not blocking, it'd be good to finish with it
  102. # [05:52] <@surkov> (not wait more couple years before it)
  103. # [05:52] <@tbsaunde> surkov: I'm not doing anything terribly high priority atm, sort of inbetween ripping out random garbage
  104. # [05:53] <@surkov> tbsaunde: so if you like then you can pick it up (it's small and clear enough)
  105. # [05:53] <@tbsaunde> surkov: true
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  108. # [06:13] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com granted review for attachment 693396 on bug 822664.
  109. # [06:13] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=822664 nor, --, ---, trev.saunders, NEW, only use the pres shell to get existing doc accessibles
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  113. # [07:22] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com cancelled review?(trev.saunders@gmail .com) for attachment 693805 on bug 822983.
  114. # [07:22] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com requested review from longsonr@gmail.com for attachment 694231 on bug 822983.
  115. # [07:22] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=822983 nor, --, ---, surkov.alexander, NEW, Map SVG graphic elements to accessibility API
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  123. # [09:03] <@firebot> longsonr@gmail.com granted review for attachment 694231 on bug 822983.
  124. # [09:04] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=822983 nor, --, ---, surkov.alexander, NEW, Map SVG graphic elements to accessibility API
  125. # [09:05] <@firebot> bzbarsky@mit.edu changed the Component on bug 818395 from General to Keyboard: Navigation.
  126. # [09:05] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=818395 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, home/end keys scroll instead of moving the cursor
  127. # [09:22] <@firebot> mh+mozilla@glandium.org requested review from trev.saunders@gmail .com for attachment 694256 on bug 818407.
  128. # [09:22] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=818407 nor, --, ---, surkov.alexander, ASSI, changing the HTML body doesn't pick up ARIA role
  129. # [09:22] <@firebot> mh+mozilla@glandium.org changed the Assignee on bug 818407 from surkov.alexander@gmail.com to mh+mozilla@glandium.org.
  130. # [09:29] <@firebot> mh+mozilla@glandium.org changed the Assignee on bug 818407 from mh+mozilla@glandium.org to surkov.alexander@gmail.com.
  131. # [09:34] <@firebot> mh+mozilla@glandium.org requested review from trev.saunders@gmail .com for attachment 694258 on bug 818407.
  132. # [09:34] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=818407 nor, --, ---, surkov.alexander, ASSI, changing the HTML body doesn't pick up ARIA role
  133. # [09:34] <@firebot> mh+mozilla@glandium.org cancelled review?(trev.saunders@gmail .com) for attachment 694256 on bug 818407.
  134. # [09:50] <@firebot> mh+mozilla@glandium.org cancelled review?(trev.saunders@gmail .com) for attachment 694258 on bug 818407.
  135. # [09:50] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=818407 nor, --, ---, surkov.alexander, ASSI, changing the HTML body doesn't pick up ARIA role
  136. # [09:58] <@firebot> mh+mozilla@glandium.org requested review from trev.saunders@gmail .com for attachment 694266 on bug 818407.
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  143. # [10:58] <@firebot> catalinn.iordache@gmail.com cancelled review?(trev.saunders@gmail .com) for attachment 694179 on bug 821269.
  144. # [10:58] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=821269 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Fix build warnings in accessible/src/html
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  167. # [15:14] <@firebot> mh+mozilla@glandium.org cancelled review?(trev.saunders@gmail .com) for attachment 694266 on bug 818407.
  168. # [15:14] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=818407 nor, --, ---, surkov.alexander, ASSI, changing the HTML body doesn't pick up ARIA role
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  190. # [17:54] <clown> hey davidb. just in case I don't see you around tomorrow — a merry holiday to you and yours.
  191. # [17:54] <@davidb> and you and yours!
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  194. # [17:59] <satdav> davidb, going to book the accessibility room once a month
  195. # [17:59] <satdav> for a meeting
  196. # [18:01] <@davidb> ok
  197. # [18:02] <satdav> davidb, do i need to tell you about if i want to use the accessibility room
  198. # [18:02] <satdav> or just use it for meetings
  199. # [18:02] <@davidb> just one time is fine… it is rarely used.
  200. # [18:03] <@davidb> i mean telling me once, but using it regularly at the same time is fine
  201. # [18:03] <@davidb> anytime except for wednesday mornings is fine
  202. # [18:05] <satdav> OK
  203. # [18:05] <satdav> thats fine
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  211. # [19:13] <eeejay> davidb, ping?
  212. # [19:13] <@davidb> eeejay: pong
  213. # [19:13] <@davidb> i'm barely here until 2pm my time
  214. # [19:13] <@davidb> but go ahead
  215. # [19:13] <eeejay> davidb, 2 things: do you have rainer's video locally?
  216. # [19:13] <eeejay> his link doesn't work anymore
  217. # [19:14] <eeejay> 2. did you see that patch? want to land it before the big holiday
  218. # [19:14] <@davidb> i have some versions but i don't know if final
  219. # [19:14] <@davidb> eeejay: yeah i will review that this aft
  220. # [19:14] <@davidb> can you check in with rainer?
  221. # [19:14] <@davidb> cc me
  222. # [19:14] <eeejay> davidb, kk
  223. # [19:14] <@davidb> ta
  224. # [19:18] <satdav> whats the patch for
  225. # [19:22] <@firebot> dbolter@mozilla.com granted review for attachment 693606 on bug 822816.
  226. # [19:22] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=822816 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [AccessFu] Double tapping does not activate things in JellyBean
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  229. # [20:04] <@firebot> dbolter@mozilla.com changed the Assignee on bug 794620 from nobody@mozilla.org to aiishwarya.sivaraman@gmail. com.
  230. # [20:04] <@firebot> dbolter@mozilla.com requested needinfo from aiishwarya.sivara man@gmail.com on bug 794620.
  231. # [20:04] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=794620 nor, --, ---, aiishwarya.sivaraman, NEW, group position of HTML radio buttons might be incorrect
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  236. # [20:18] <@davidb> tbsaunde: feel free to ping me here for higher bandwidth
  237. # [20:20] <@davidb> if you think you might help implement the tts side of htmlspeech that is significant to Q1 plan :)
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  239. # [20:47] <fxa90id> ;>
  240. # [20:47] <fxa90id> Q1 plan ?
  241. # [20:48] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org changed the Assignee on bug 822816 from nobody@mozilla.org to eitan@monotonous.org.
  242. # [20:48] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=822816 nor, --, ---, eitan, NEW, [AccessFu] Double tapping does not activate things in JellyBean
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  246. # [21:31] <@tbsaunde> davidb: not sure how high a priority it is, but it could be interesting
  247. # [21:31] <@davidb> i agree
  248. # [21:31] <@davidb> i think it has decent priority
  249. # [21:32] <@tbsaunde> davidb: then I guess I'll work on it a bit
  250. # [21:33] <@davidb> sounds good - i'll put your name next to it in my secret list
  251. # [21:34] <@davidb> except nightly is crashing on etherpad
  252. # [21:37] <@tbsaunde> davidb: secret list?
  253. # [21:37] <@davidb> kidding
  254. # [21:37] <@davidb> i have this password protected list of everything i need to remember
  255. # [21:37] <@tbsaunde> I see
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  260. # [22:48] <@firebot> edmorley.bz@edmorley.co.uk changed the Resolution on bug 813019 from --- to FIXED.
  261. # [22:48] <@firebot> edmorley.bz@edmorley.co.uk changed the Status on bug 813019 from NEW to RESOLVED.
  262. # [22:48] <@firebot> edmorley.bz@edmorley.co.uk changed the Target Milestone on bug 813019 from --- to mozilla20.
  263. # [22:48] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=813019 nor, --, mozilla20, catalinn.iordache, RESO FIXED, get rid of AccMutationEvent::mNode
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  269. # [23:22] <@firebot> trev.saunders@gmail.com granted review for attachment 693786 on bug 459357.
  270. # [23:22] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=459357 nor, --, ---, surkov.alexander, ASSI, Support accessible name computation for SVG
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  275. # [23:50] <@firebot> trev.saunders@gmail.com granted review for attachment 694231 on bug 822983.
  276. # [23:50] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=822983 nor, --, ---, surkov.alexander, NEW, Map SVG graphic elements to accessibility API
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  278. # Session Close: Fri Dec 21 00:00:00 2012

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