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  1. # Session Start: Fri Jan 11 00:00:00 2013
  2. # Session Ident: #accessibility
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  7. # [01:03] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 829354 filed by jamie@nvaccess.org.
  8. # [01:03] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=829354 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Font information set with first-line css selector not exposed via accessibility APIs
  9. # [01:26] <@firebot> trev.saunders@gmail.com requested review from surkov.alexander@gm ail.com for attachment 700760 on bug 767272.
  10. # [01:26] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=767272 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, remove use of QI in CAccessibleTable
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  14. # [02:18] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 829382 filed by trev.saunders@gmail.com.
  15. # [02:20] <@firebot> trev.saunders@gmail.com requested review from surkov.alexander@gm ail.com for attachment 700783 on bug 829382.
  16. # [02:22] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 829387 filed by trev.saunders@gmail.com.
  17. # [02:22] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=829387 nor, --, ---, trev.saunders, NEW, remove nsWinUtils::ConvertToIA2Array()
  18. # [02:23] <@firebot> trev.saunders@gmail.com requested review from surkov.alexander@gm ail.com for attachment 700787 on bug 829387.
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  33. # [08:09] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com granted review for attachment 699938 on bug 828141.
  34. # [08:09] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=828141 nor, --, ---, trev.saunders, NEW, windows shouldn't hold onto text change events
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  88. # [12:48] <@hub> marcoz: I'll have a look at android monday if you are still stuck
  89. # [12:48] <@hub> marcoz: unless eeejay can help as he know this stuff :-D
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  103. # [14:45] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 829570 filed by marco.zehe@googlemail.com.
  104. # [14:45] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=829570 cri, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [AccessFu] Web content accessibility broken in Nightly builds starting January 11, 2013
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  115. # [15:29] <@davidb> heyo
  116. # [15:29] <@davidb> so there was almost a teachers strike today and then there wasn't
  117. # [15:29] <@davidb> (i had lost the coin toss and was going to PTO)
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  122. # [15:50] <@hub> davidb: they don't know how to strike
  123. # [15:50] <@davidb> :)
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  126. # [16:12] <@marcoz> Hi gentlemen!
  127. # [16:12] <@marcoz> davidb: Turns out it wasn't me, but something that got changed in the Android code that caused all my problems yesterday. nightly builds have the problem today, too, see bug 829570.
  128. # [16:12] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=829570 cri, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [AccessFu] Web content accessibility broken in Nightly builds starting January 11, 2013
  129. # [16:13] <@davidb> eeejay: ^
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  131. # [16:13] <@davidb> hub: dunno why i just cc'ed you ha!
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  133. # [16:14] <@hub> davidb: no worries
  134. # [16:14] <@hub> I follow
  135. # [16:14] <@hub> I should actually build the Android version one day
  136. # [16:15] <@hub> for fun at least
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  139. # [16:44] <@firebot> ioana.budnar@softvision.ro changed the Component on bug 826870 from General to Keyboard Navigation.
  140. # [16:44] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=826870 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, "Page down" is broken, second page down jumps back up to top of page
  141. # [16:44] <@marcoz> davidb: Did you have a chance to work on the leak problem with the tests?
  142. # [16:46] <@davidb> marcoz: no i passed that to eitan a while ago
  143. # [16:46] <@davidb> i was only able to muster about 50 mins to diagnose last week
  144. # [16:46] <@davidb> marcoz: part of the problem is that our leak detection tool is broken.
  145. # [16:47] <@davidb> but first step is to recreate locally which i didn't succeed at yet
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  147. # [16:51] <@marcoz> davidb: Understood! :)
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  156. # [17:16] <AcidBuddha> hi
  157. # [17:17] <AcidBuddha> do you know of a way to disable the ligatures (fi, ti, ff) in thunderbird message editing field?
  158. # [17:17] <AcidBuddha> screen readers don´t get it with the ligatures so they read errors...
  159. # [17:41] <@marcoz> AcidBuddha: Hm, I don't even know how to turn them *on*. I don't have problems in the Thunderbird editing field. NVDA works fine, for example.
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  164. # [18:12] <AcidBuddha> marcoz i´m trying to get my parent´s win7 pc running with zoomtext reader. ligatures are on by default.
  165. # [18:12] <AcidBuddha> tried all the about:config but no luck.
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  167. # [18:22] <satdav> davidb, who is the admin for the accessibility vidyo room
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  169. # [18:22] <satdav> as can you setup a webcast link for it
  170. # [18:22] <satdav> 829459
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  173. # [18:30] <@davidb> satdav: does the webcast link not work already?
  174. # [18:30] <@marcoz> AcidBuddha: Sorry, no idea, is probably a setting in the Windows Control panel somewhere. I don't think Thunderbird has its own. And since I'm totally blind, I don't know if ZoomText has some setting for these.
  175. # [18:30] <satdav> do you know the link and i will test it
  176. # [18:31] <@marcoz> Off for the weeekend.
  177. # [18:31] <satdav> as was not sure if their was one
  178. # [18:31] <@davidb> satdav: the one on the meeting page
  179. # [18:31] <@davidb> i
  180. # [18:31] <satdav> oh marcoz before you go I am going to scedule a meeting next friday about 5pm pst
  181. # [18:31] <@davidb> i
  182. # [18:31] <@davidb> https://wiki.mozilla.org/Accessibility/Meetings
  183. # [18:31] <satdav> for website
  184. # [18:31] <satdav> it does but thats to take part
  185. # [18:32] <satdav> webcast you dont need to download vidyo
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  187. # [18:32] <@davidb> we haven't had a need
  188. # [18:33] <@davidb> satdav: isn't there a community general one you could use?
  189. # [18:33] <satdav> not seen it
  190. # [18:33] * @davidb is busy and may be slow to respond
  191. # [18:34] <@marcoz> satdav: You're welcome to do so. Since 5 PM translates to 2 AM CET, there's no way in hell I'll attend.
  192. # [18:34] <satdav> OK
  193. # [18:35] <satdav> what about ken whats his time zone
  194. # [18:35] <satdav> I might look at about 11pm gmt
  195. # [18:35] <satdav> aka uk time
  196. # [18:35] <@marcoz> It's Friday, and on Fridays, I'm off at 6 PM CET. I value my weekend.
  197. # [18:35] <@marcoz> Having said that, I'm really off now.
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  199. # [18:36] <satdav> OK
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  209. # [19:08] <@davidb> tbsaunde: I'm not sure you noticed my comment in bug 828463
  210. # [19:08] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=828463 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Remove accessibility from mozilla-b2g18
  211. # [19:08] <@davidb> tbsaunde: couldn't a b2g extension make use of a11y?
  212. # [19:08] <@davidb> oh my bad
  213. # [19:08] <@davidb> you did
  214. # [19:10] <@davidb> so we don't know.
  215. # [19:11] <@davidb> tbsaunde: so it seems like you answered doug's questions as if you know extensions couldn't use a11y… which threw me off.
  216. # [19:11] <@davidb> do we know this?
  217. # [19:11] <tbsaunde> davidb: well *I* don't know, but presumably some one knows what different sorts of things are allowd to do in b2g
  218. # [19:12] <tbsaunde> davidb: well, so the other thing is how much do we care about helping extensions?
  219. # [19:17] <@davidb> tbsaunde: a lot
  220. # [19:17] <@davidb> if they are making things accessible
  221. # [19:17] <@davidb> tbsaunde: so we have dougt r-… i can't see davidb r+'ing
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  223. # [19:19] <tbsaunde> davidb: well for know, I was going to see how he feels about my response
  224. # [19:19] <tbsaunde> *now
  225. # [19:19] <@davidb> yeah
  226. # [19:19] <tbsaunde> davidb: I'm sort of uncomfortable with the idea that we should implement api's because some extensions might possibly want to use them
  227. # [19:20] <@davidb> tbsaunde: we've already implemented them
  228. # [19:21] <tbsaunde> sure, fine s/implement/ keep around || support || ship/
  229. # [19:22] <tbsaunde> davidb: I mean if /exists iinterface x such that nothing in gecko uses x I think we should atleast think very hard about why its there
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  231. # [19:22] <@davidb> so it comes down to should we remove the possibility of making b2g via extension (if it is in fact possible)
  232. # [19:22] <@davidb> making b2g *accessible* via *
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  234. # [19:23] <tbsaunde> davidb: I don't think that's quiet fair, you could make b2g accessible without building accessible/ though yeah it would probably be a bit harder
  235. # [19:23] <@davidb> agreed on both.
  236. # [19:24] <@davidb> for some definition of 'bit'
  237. # [19:24] <@davidb> tbsaunde: can you post build size differences with and without your patch?
  238. # [19:25] <tbsaunde> davidb: I guess I can push it to try
  239. # [19:25] <tbsaunde> if someone tells me how to build for b2g on try
  240. # [19:26] <@davidb> tbsaunde: is your patch against b2g18?
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  242. # [19:26] <tbsaunde> davidb: no
  243. # [19:26] <@davidb> tbsaunde: so it would need to be.
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  245. # [19:27] <tbsaunde> davidb: sure, though the backport probably isn't hard
  246. # [19:27] <@davidb> probably not
  247. # [19:27] <@davidb> not hard
  248. # [19:28] <@davidb> tbsaunde: -p unagi
  249. # [19:28] <@davidb> tbsaunde: -p otoro,unagi
  250. # [19:28] <@davidb> sorry
  251. # [19:28] <@davidb> try: -b o -p unagi -u none -t none
  252. # [19:36] <tbsaunde> davidb: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=22e57e197b77
  253. # [19:37] <@davidb> tbsaunde: thanks… wonder what we'll compare to
  254. # [19:39] <tbsaunde> davidb: we can just grab another random unagi build
  255. # [19:39] <tbsaunde> should could be close enough
  256. # [19:39] <@davidb> that's my thinking
  257. # [19:40] <@davidb> one of us can just paste the binary size into the bug when it completes
  258. # [19:40] <tbsaunde> yeah
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  268. # [20:26] <tbsaunde> davidb: so that build finish yet?
  269. # [20:30] <@davidb> tbsaunde: nope
  270. # [20:30] <tbsaunde> davidb: ok, I should really look into why orca doesn't get the color text attributes stuff ...
  271. # [20:31] <@davidb> tbsaunde: i think the title attribute changes based on state as well
  272. # [20:32] <tbsaunde> davidb: title attribute?
  273. # [20:33] <@davidb> the anchor what should build status on https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=22e57e197b77
  274. # [20:33] <@davidb> maybe the title isn't exposed properly
  275. # [20:34] <@davidb> tbsaunde: i should have added -e to the try syntax… you'd get email updates
  276. # [20:37] <tbsaunde> davidb: eh, I should have thought about it
  277. # [20:37] <@davidb> meh
  278. # [20:37] <tbsaunde> but my habit is usually just to use -f and wait a day
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  283. # [20:54] <@davidb> tbsaunde: built
  284. # [20:57] <tbsaunde> davidb: ftp seems to not know that yet... so I guess we get to wait more
  285. # [20:57] <@davidb> heh
  286. # [20:58] <@davidb> firebot: review trevor's patch
  287. # [20:58] <tbsaunde> actually that was the wrong try push
  288. # [20:58] <@firebot> davidb: Sorry, I've no idea what 'review trevor's patch' might be.
  289. # [20:59] <@davidb> firebot: review my patch
  290. # [20:59] <@firebot> davidb: Your patch looks good. r+sr+ui-r+a=mconnor
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  294. # [21:20] <tbsaunde> davidb: does var str = "foo"; str += "bar"; do what I want in js or some random thing?
  295. # [21:21] <@davidb> does what you want
  296. # [21:21] <@davidb> try it
  297. # [21:22] <tbsaunde> davidb: I'd of course want str == "foobar"
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  299. # [21:22] <@davidb> understood
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  308. # [22:11] <@davidb> ok gotta shift
  309. # [22:11] <@davidb> tbsaunde: have a great weekend
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