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- # Session Start: Fri Jan 11 00:00:00 2013
- # Session Ident: #accessibility
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- # [01:03] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 829354 filed by jamie@nvaccess.org.
- # [01:03] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=829354 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Font information set with first-line css selector not exposed via accessibility APIs
- # [01:26] <@firebot> trev.saunders@gmail.com requested review from surkov.alexander@gm ail.com for attachment 700760 on bug 767272.
- # [01:26] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=767272 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, remove use of QI in CAccessibleTable
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- # [02:18] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 829382 filed by trev.saunders@gmail.com.
- # [02:20] <@firebot> trev.saunders@gmail.com requested review from surkov.alexander@gm ail.com for attachment 700783 on bug 829382.
- # [02:22] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 829387 filed by trev.saunders@gmail.com.
- # [02:22] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=829387 nor, --, ---, trev.saunders, NEW, remove nsWinUtils::ConvertToIA2Array()
- # [02:23] <@firebot> trev.saunders@gmail.com requested review from surkov.alexander@gm ail.com for attachment 700787 on bug 829387.
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- # [08:09] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com granted review for attachment 699938 on bug 828141.
- # [08:09] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=828141 nor, --, ---, trev.saunders, NEW, windows shouldn't hold onto text change events
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- # [12:48] <@hub> marcoz: I'll have a look at android monday if you are still stuck
- # [12:48] <@hub> marcoz: unless eeejay can help as he know this stuff :-D
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- # [14:45] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 829570 filed by marco.zehe@googlemail.com.
- # [14:45] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=829570 cri, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [AccessFu] Web content accessibility broken in Nightly builds starting January 11, 2013
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- # [15:29] <@davidb> heyo
- # [15:29] <@davidb> so there was almost a teachers strike today and then there wasn't
- # [15:29] <@davidb> (i had lost the coin toss and was going to PTO)
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- # [15:50] <@hub> davidb: they don't know how to strike
- # [15:50] <@davidb> :)
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- # [16:12] <@marcoz> Hi gentlemen!
- # [16:12] <@marcoz> davidb: Turns out it wasn't me, but something that got changed in the Android code that caused all my problems yesterday. nightly builds have the problem today, too, see bug 829570.
- # [16:12] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=829570 cri, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [AccessFu] Web content accessibility broken in Nightly builds starting January 11, 2013
- # [16:13] <@davidb> eeejay: ^
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- # [16:13] <@davidb> hub: dunno why i just cc'ed you ha!
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- # [16:14] <@hub> davidb: no worries
- # [16:14] <@hub> I follow
- # [16:14] <@hub> I should actually build the Android version one day
- # [16:15] <@hub> for fun at least
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- # [16:44] <@firebot> ioana.budnar@softvision.ro changed the Component on bug 826870 from General to Keyboard Navigation.
- # [16:44] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=826870 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, "Page down" is broken, second page down jumps back up to top of page
- # [16:44] <@marcoz> davidb: Did you have a chance to work on the leak problem with the tests?
- # [16:46] <@davidb> marcoz: no i passed that to eitan a while ago
- # [16:46] <@davidb> i was only able to muster about 50 mins to diagnose last week
- # [16:46] <@davidb> marcoz: part of the problem is that our leak detection tool is broken.
- # [16:47] <@davidb> but first step is to recreate locally which i didn't succeed at yet
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- # [16:51] <@marcoz> davidb: Understood! :)
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- # [17:16] <AcidBuddha> hi
- # [17:17] <AcidBuddha> do you know of a way to disable the ligatures (fi, ti, ff) in thunderbird message editing field?
- # [17:17] <AcidBuddha> screen readers don´t get it with the ligatures so they read errors...
- # [17:41] <@marcoz> AcidBuddha: Hm, I don't even know how to turn them *on*. I don't have problems in the Thunderbird editing field. NVDA works fine, for example.
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- # [18:12] <AcidBuddha> marcoz i´m trying to get my parent´s win7 pc running with zoomtext reader. ligatures are on by default.
- # [18:12] <AcidBuddha> tried all the about:config but no luck.
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- # [18:22] <satdav> davidb, who is the admin for the accessibility vidyo room
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- # [18:22] <satdav> as can you setup a webcast link for it
- # [18:22] <satdav> 829459
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- # [18:30] <@davidb> satdav: does the webcast link not work already?
- # [18:30] <@marcoz> AcidBuddha: Sorry, no idea, is probably a setting in the Windows Control panel somewhere. I don't think Thunderbird has its own. And since I'm totally blind, I don't know if ZoomText has some setting for these.
- # [18:30] <satdav> do you know the link and i will test it
- # [18:31] <@marcoz> Off for the weeekend.
- # [18:31] <satdav> as was not sure if their was one
- # [18:31] <@davidb> satdav: the one on the meeting page
- # [18:31] <@davidb> i
- # [18:31] <satdav> oh marcoz before you go I am going to scedule a meeting next friday about 5pm pst
- # [18:31] <@davidb> i
- # [18:31] <@davidb> https://wiki.mozilla.org/Accessibility/Meetings
- # [18:31] <satdav> for website
- # [18:31] <satdav> it does but thats to take part
- # [18:32] <satdav> webcast you dont need to download vidyo
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- # [18:32] <@davidb> we haven't had a need
- # [18:33] <@davidb> satdav: isn't there a community general one you could use?
- # [18:33] <satdav> not seen it
- # [18:33] * @davidb is busy and may be slow to respond
- # [18:34] <@marcoz> satdav: You're welcome to do so. Since 5 PM translates to 2 AM CET, there's no way in hell I'll attend.
- # [18:34] <satdav> OK
- # [18:35] <satdav> what about ken whats his time zone
- # [18:35] <satdav> I might look at about 11pm gmt
- # [18:35] <satdav> aka uk time
- # [18:35] <@marcoz> It's Friday, and on Fridays, I'm off at 6 PM CET. I value my weekend.
- # [18:35] <@marcoz> Having said that, I'm really off now.
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- # [18:36] <satdav> OK
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- # [19:08] <@davidb> tbsaunde: I'm not sure you noticed my comment in bug 828463
- # [19:08] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=828463 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Remove accessibility from mozilla-b2g18
- # [19:08] <@davidb> tbsaunde: couldn't a b2g extension make use of a11y?
- # [19:08] <@davidb> oh my bad
- # [19:08] <@davidb> you did
- # [19:10] <@davidb> so we don't know.
- # [19:11] <@davidb> tbsaunde: so it seems like you answered doug's questions as if you know extensions couldn't use a11y… which threw me off.
- # [19:11] <@davidb> do we know this?
- # [19:11] <tbsaunde> davidb: well *I* don't know, but presumably some one knows what different sorts of things are allowd to do in b2g
- # [19:12] <tbsaunde> davidb: well, so the other thing is how much do we care about helping extensions?
- # [19:17] <@davidb> tbsaunde: a lot
- # [19:17] <@davidb> if they are making things accessible
- # [19:17] <@davidb> tbsaunde: so we have dougt r-… i can't see davidb r+'ing
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- # [19:19] <tbsaunde> davidb: well for know, I was going to see how he feels about my response
- # [19:19] <tbsaunde> *now
- # [19:19] <@davidb> yeah
- # [19:19] <tbsaunde> davidb: I'm sort of uncomfortable with the idea that we should implement api's because some extensions might possibly want to use them
- # [19:20] <@davidb> tbsaunde: we've already implemented them
- # [19:21] <tbsaunde> sure, fine s/implement/ keep around || support || ship/
- # [19:22] <tbsaunde> davidb: I mean if /exists iinterface x such that nothing in gecko uses x I think we should atleast think very hard about why its there
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- # [19:22] <@davidb> so it comes down to should we remove the possibility of making b2g via extension (if it is in fact possible)
- # [19:22] <@davidb> making b2g *accessible* via *
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- # [19:23] <tbsaunde> davidb: I don't think that's quiet fair, you could make b2g accessible without building accessible/ though yeah it would probably be a bit harder
- # [19:23] <@davidb> agreed on both.
- # [19:24] <@davidb> for some definition of 'bit'
- # [19:24] <@davidb> tbsaunde: can you post build size differences with and without your patch?
- # [19:25] <tbsaunde> davidb: I guess I can push it to try
- # [19:25] <tbsaunde> if someone tells me how to build for b2g on try
- # [19:26] <@davidb> tbsaunde: is your patch against b2g18?
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- # [19:26] <tbsaunde> davidb: no
- # [19:26] <@davidb> tbsaunde: so it would need to be.
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- # [19:27] <tbsaunde> davidb: sure, though the backport probably isn't hard
- # [19:27] <@davidb> probably not
- # [19:27] <@davidb> not hard
- # [19:28] <@davidb> tbsaunde: -p unagi
- # [19:28] <@davidb> tbsaunde: -p otoro,unagi
- # [19:28] <@davidb> sorry
- # [19:28] <@davidb> try: -b o -p unagi -u none -t none
- # [19:36] <tbsaunde> davidb: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=22e57e197b77
- # [19:37] <@davidb> tbsaunde: thanks… wonder what we'll compare to
- # [19:39] <tbsaunde> davidb: we can just grab another random unagi build
- # [19:39] <tbsaunde> should could be close enough
- # [19:39] <@davidb> that's my thinking
- # [19:40] <@davidb> one of us can just paste the binary size into the bug when it completes
- # [19:40] <tbsaunde> yeah
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- # [20:26] <tbsaunde> davidb: so that build finish yet?
- # [20:30] <@davidb> tbsaunde: nope
- # [20:30] <tbsaunde> davidb: ok, I should really look into why orca doesn't get the color text attributes stuff ...
- # [20:31] <@davidb> tbsaunde: i think the title attribute changes based on state as well
- # [20:32] <tbsaunde> davidb: title attribute?
- # [20:33] <@davidb> the anchor what should build status on https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=22e57e197b77
- # [20:33] <@davidb> maybe the title isn't exposed properly
- # [20:34] <@davidb> tbsaunde: i should have added -e to the try syntax… you'd get email updates
- # [20:37] <tbsaunde> davidb: eh, I should have thought about it
- # [20:37] <@davidb> meh
- # [20:37] <tbsaunde> but my habit is usually just to use -f and wait a day
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- # [20:54] <@davidb> tbsaunde: built
- # [20:57] <tbsaunde> davidb: ftp seems to not know that yet... so I guess we get to wait more
- # [20:57] <@davidb> heh
- # [20:58] <@davidb> firebot: review trevor's patch
- # [20:58] <tbsaunde> actually that was the wrong try push
- # [20:58] <@firebot> davidb: Sorry, I've no idea what 'review trevor's patch' might be.
- # [20:59] <@davidb> firebot: review my patch
- # [20:59] <@firebot> davidb: Your patch looks good. r+sr+ui-r+a=mconnor
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- # [21:20] <tbsaunde> davidb: does var str = "foo"; str += "bar"; do what I want in js or some random thing?
- # [21:21] <@davidb> does what you want
- # [21:21] <@davidb> try it
- # [21:22] <tbsaunde> davidb: I'd of course want str == "foobar"
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- # [21:22] <@davidb> understood
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- # [22:11] <@davidb> ok gotta shift
- # [22:11] <@davidb> tbsaunde: have a great weekend
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