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- # Session Start: Mon Mar 04 00:00:00 2013
- # Session Ident: #accessibility
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- # [00:37] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 847233 filed by mounir@lamouri.fr.
- # [00:37] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=847233 nor, --, ---, mounir, ASSI, Fix a11y with <input type='file'> changes
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- # [02:24] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com requested needinfo from jamie@nvaccess.or g on bug 847233.
- # [02:24] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=847233 nor, --, ---, mounir, ASSI, Fix a11y with <input type='file'> changes
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- # [05:14] <egdeaile> Working on Bug 846184 owned by surkov, but having trouble understanding what I am looking for in the XBLPrototypeBinding files
- # [05:14] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=846184 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, LWTheme should be shown on startup
- # [05:15] <egdeaile> Wrong Bug
- # [05:15] <egdeaile> 846185
- # [05:15] <tbsaunde> egdeaile: hi, which bug do you mean?
- # [05:15] <egdeaile> Bug 846185
- # [05:15] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=846185 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, get rid of nsIAccessibleProvider
- # [05:17] <egdeaile> Surkov told me to find the @role attribute in the nsXBLPrototypeBinding element, but I've looked through the .h and .cpp files and don't find anything that indicates to me the meaning of "@role", which basically means I know less than I thought I did about this and am now convinced I need to learn a bunch more to conquer this thing
- # [05:18] <tbsaunde> egdeaile: looking
- # [05:19] <egdeaile> tbsaunde: thanks!
- # [05:21] <tbsaunde> egdeaile: so, this is about the xbl bindings themselves in toolkit/content/widget/
- # [05:21] <egdeaile> ok, going there
- # [05:21] <tbsaunde> and you'll see some of them implement nsIAccesibleProvider
- # [05:22] <egdeaile> ok
- # [05:22] <tbsaunde> for those you should replace the accessibleType getter with role= on the <content>
- # [05:26] <egdeaile> In the <impelementation tag or between the <getter></getter>?
- # [05:28] <tbsaunde> egdeaile: add role= to the <content> part
- # [05:28] <egdeaile> <content sizetopopup="pref" role="nsIAccesibleProvider">
- # [05:28] <tbsaunde> for example tree.xml:37
- # [05:29] <tbsaunde> egdeaile: yes, but rule="xulwhatever"
- # [05:30] <egdeaile> Lost me again…. Sorry. I'm on 37 of tree.xml
- # [05:30] <egdeaile> I understand adding the role="" into the tag, but I'm not sure what goes in the quotes, or where to match that up with
- # [05:31] <egdeaile> role="XULTree"?
- # [05:31] <egdeaile> from the <getter> tags?
- # [05:36] <tbsaunde> egdeaile: yes
- # [05:37] <tbsaunde> egdeaile: then remove the <getter>
- # [05:37] <egdeaile> tbsaunde: That was my next question.
- # [05:37] <egdeaile> Thank you very much!
- # [05:37] <tbsaunde> egdeaile: np, feel free to ask more questions
- # [05:38] <egdeaile> tbsaunde: I'll see if I can't get on this for a bit and submit my work to surkov!
- # [05:40] <egdeaile> tbsaunde: Since the getter lists it as "XULTree" should the role="XULTree" or "xultree"
- # [05:41] <tbsaunde> egdeaile: I guess XULTree is nicer
- # [05:41] <egdeaile> tbsaunde: But it wouldn't matter from an operational point of view?
- # [05:43] <tbsaunde> egdeaile: once oyu change the xbl files you also need to change the stuff in nsAccessibilityService::CreateAccessibleByType()
- # [05:43] <tbsaunde> egdeaile: so long as what's in the xbl and in nsAccessibilityService::CreateAccessibleByType() match it doesn't matter
- # [05:44] <egdeaile> Okay!
- # [05:44] <egdeaile> I think that is at least enough information for me to be dangerous, I'll see what I can accomplish with your excellent help!
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- # [06:08] <egdeaile> tbsaunde: I'm back!
- # [06:08] <tbsaunde> egdeaile: hey again
- # [06:09] <egdeaile> tbsaunde: I'm in the nsAccessibilityService.cpp file, starting at line 1049 where the CreateAccessibleByType() definition is
- # [06:10] <egdeaile> tbsaunde: I understand I need to modify the case statements, but I'm not sure how to ensure I'm pulling in the roll attribute from the XML files
- # [06:12] <tbsaunde> egdeaile: I think you can just call GetAttribute() on the content and compare the string you get
- # [06:13] <egdeaile> Thanks!
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- # [11:33] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com changed the Assignee on bug 678477 from michaljev@o2.pl to surkov.alexander@gmail.com.
- # [11:33] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com requested review from trev.saunders@gmail .com for attachment 720590 on bug 678477.
- # [11:33] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=678477 nor, --, ---, surkov.alexander, ASSI, change ownership of nsCaretAccessible
- # [11:36] <@firebot> emorley@mozilla.com changed the Assignee on bug 846204 from nobody@mozilla.org to surkov.alexander@gmail.com.
- # [11:36] <@firebot> emorley@mozilla.com changed the Status on bug 846204 from NEW to ASSIGNED.
- # [11:36] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=846204 nor, --, ---, surkov.alexander, ASSI, unregister DocManager from DOM event listeners
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- # [15:25] <@davidb> heyo
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- # [15:37] <@marcoz> Hi all!
- # [15:38] <@marcoz> davidb: Hi! Forget my DM! :) It finished migrating data a few minutes after I wrote it. And now I
- # [15:38] <@davidb> woot!
- # [15:38] <@marcoz> i'm on-line with the new beauty! :)
- # [15:38] <@davidb> onward!
- # [15:38] <@davidb> marcoz: how were flights?
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- # [15:41] <@marcoz> davidb: As planned this time! :) No unusual events, and I even had a good night's sleep when I got home. Except for a brief tired moment around noon, I've been good so far today as well. :)
- # [15:42] <@davidb> nice
- # [15:44] <@davidb> marcoz: I'm guessing no 1:1 today?
- # [15:47] <@marcoz> davidb: Nope, doesn't make much sense I think. Tomorrow maybe?
- # [15:47] <@davidb> roger
- # [15:47] <@marcoz> Fun, restoring mozilla-inbound and updating it seems to have created several merge conflicts of files I've never touched. Better re-clone.
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- # [16:18] <@davidb> tbsaunde: will you be on site today?
- # [16:18] <@davidb> also, hi!
- # [16:19] * @marcoz runs first full Firefox for Android build on new MBP and times it.
- # [16:23] <tbsaunde> davidb: yeah, I'm leaving shortly
- # [16:23] <@davidb> ack
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- # [16:40] <SteveF> davidb: can still taste you cheek ah bliss...
- # [16:40] <@davidb> SteveF: i regret washing my face
- # [16:41] <SteveF> :-)
- # [16:41] <SteveF> was great to see you guys - understated inspiration the lot of you
- # [16:41] <@hub> marcoz: new machine?
- # [16:42] <@marcoz> hub: Yup!
- # [16:43] <SteveF> accessibility jocks on valium
- # [16:53] <@davidb> SteveF: and you
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- # [17:11] <@marcoz> Attempt to build was cut short by bug 847429. :-( Someone broke OS X builds.
- # [17:11] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=847429 maj, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Fix build errors for OS X builds introduced by bug 844275
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- # [17:56] * @eeejay waves
- # [17:56] <@hub> hi
- # [17:56] <@eeejay> yo hub
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- # [17:58] <@marcoz> Hi eeejay! Settled in at home again? :)
- # [17:58] <@eeejay> marcoz, yep. glad you got back with no london overnights
- # [18:00] <@marcoz> eeejay: Yeah, me too! :) I met Don Fitzpatrick on Saturday, who was the guy stranded in LHR on Tuesday. We were on the same plane back to LHR, and we took the two hours before that to bitch about ServiceNow.
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- # [18:00] <@marcoz> On Sunday, upon arrival, there were actually two guides waiting for us, one for each! And this time, and because there was a long layover time, everything worked out nicely.
- # [18:00] <@eeejay> that is funny :)
- # [18:01] <@eeejay> marcoz, and you have a new mbp
- # [18:01] <@eeejay> the week is starting well...
- # [18:01] <@marcoz> hub: The new machine is a 15" MBP with Retina display. Now I have to explain to everybody that the only reason I got this is because of the QuadCore processor, because that's not available in smaller-sized models. ;)
- # [18:01] <@hub> ah
- # [18:01] <@hub> yeah
- # [18:02] <@hub> no 13" with Quad Core?
- # [18:02] <@marcoz> Right!
- # [18:02] * @hub has 4 cores on his X220
- # [18:03] <@marcoz> eeejay: Yes it is! Unfortunately someone broke OS X builds earlier today so I can't enjoy the newfound speed yet. Bug 847429 will hopefully be fixed soon. :)
- # [18:03] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=847429 maj, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Fix build errors for OS X builds introduced by bug 844275
- # [18:03] <@eeejay> awesome
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- # [18:45] <Bryen> davidb, Curious, is your team working on a11y for Android FF?
- # [18:46] <@davidb> Bryen: yes.
- # [18:46] <Bryen> The pinch-zoom could really use a different approach
- # [18:47] <@davidb> do tell
- # [18:47] <Bryen> davidb, pinch-zooming (which obviously has a11y benefits) requires a lot of scrolling to read anything. I'd prefer it had the method that you can see in wikidroid app. Have you seen that one?
- # [18:47] <@davidb> no
- # [18:47] <Bryen> it allows for zooming, but keeps text in the frame rather than going outside the frame.
- # [18:48] <@davidb> i imagine that would be a nice option… not sure how fragile it might be though… given the web
- # [18:48] <Bryen> try it and you'll instantly know what I'm trying to describe here. :-)
- # [18:48] <Bryen> do we really have to use the web in order to use a browser??
- # [18:48] <@davidb> i'll try it on the bus later
- # [18:48] <Bryen> :-)
- # [18:48] <@davidb> heh
- # [18:49] <Bryen> wait a minute.... You commute by bus? I thought Mozilla helicopters you
- # [18:49] <@davidb> i call the helicopter a bus, to be cutesy
- # [18:50] <Bryen> LOL
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- # [19:10] <@hub> Bryen: talk to eeejay :-)
- # [19:11] <@hub> Bryen: he is our Android mastermind
- # [19:11] <@hub> amongst other things
- # [19:12] <@eeejay> Bryen. You want to enable "Pinch to reflow text" in the settings panel
- # [19:12] <@eeejay> it does exactly what you describe
- # [19:14] <@davidb> hurrah!
- # [19:14] <@davidb> eeejay: maybe that should get added to http://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/mobile-accessibility-features
- # [19:16] <@hub> it is all about connecting people :-D
- # [19:17] <@davidb> yeah, nice when that works
- # [19:17] <@eeejay> wowza, i think i wrote that page
- # [19:17] <@eeejay> hub, thanks for connecting. you must be a people person
- # [19:17] <@hub> that was Nokia slogan
- # [19:17] <@hub> eeejay: I bring the specs to the engineers ;-)
- # [19:18] <@hub> I am a people person
- # [19:18] <@hub> (well my secretary does)
- # [19:18] <@eeejay> exactly: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGS2tKQhdhY
- # [19:19] <@hub> did you file your TPS reports?
- # [19:19] <@hub> did you use the new cover sheet?
- # [19:19] <@hub> ;-)
- # [19:20] <@eeejay> :)
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- # [19:55] <Bryen> hi eeejay
- # [19:55] <@eeejay> Bryen, yo
- # [19:55] <Bryen> "reflow text" I guess that is the way to describe how wikidroid does it. FF doesn't do it that way
- # [19:55] <Bryen> I have to scroll side to side in order to read the text in FF when I zoom in.
- # [19:56] <@eeejay> Bryen, did you try doing what i suggested above?
- # [19:56] <Bryen> hang on...
- # [19:57] <Bryen> clikcks on the youtube links and shown "people skills" nope... :-)
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- # [19:58] <@eeejay> works fine for me here in wikipedia
- # [19:59] <Bryen> eeejay, I'm missing something here
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- # [20:00] <@eeejay> <eeejay> Bryen. You want to enable "Pinch to reflow text" in the settings panel
- # [20:00] <@eeejay> it does exactly what you describe
- # [20:00] <Bryen> ok let me try...
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- # [20:02] <Bryen> eeejay, AMAZING! it was there all along!
- # [20:02] <@eeejay> Bryen, :)
- # [20:02] <Bryen> You my bald-headed hero!
- # [20:03] <@davidb> just call him b double h
- # [20:03] <@eeejay> i prefer Aerodynamic American
- # [20:03] <Bryen> eeejay, Out of curiosity, why isn't it default behavior? Why would someone have to enable it?
- # [20:03] <Bryen> eeejay, that implies everything goes over your head :-)
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- # [20:03] <@davidb> Bryen: that is a #ux question… but i think visually it does what you expect by default
- # [20:04] <@eeejay> Bryen, it messes with page layouts
- # [20:04] <@davidb> and that
- # [20:04] <Bryen> I disagree!
- # [20:04] <Bryen> Page layouts messes with IT!
- # [20:04] <@eeejay> Bryen, most users want to zoom in to a column of text and not have the layout change from under them
- # [20:04] <@davidb> yeah… and double tap is good for that actually
- # [20:04] <@eeejay> yeah
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- # [20:05] <Bryen> I can't do double taps. People see me constantly doubletapping my phone on the bus and they think I'm molesting my phone
- # [20:05] <Bryen> which I am, but they don't need to know that
- # [20:05] <@davidb> you have to take the phone out of your pocket first
- # [20:05] <Bryen> LOL
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- # [20:08] <Bryen> eeejay, how about a setting to change background in FF? Like you can do on desktop?
- # [20:09] <Bryen> And brailleback support isn't there yet, right? (according to a post you made on the web somewhere.)
- # [20:09] <@davidb> not yet
- # [20:10] <Bryen> davidb, I will get a braille display in about 3 weeks. Please drop everything else you're working on and make this your top priority. :-)
- # [20:10] <@davidb> heh
- # [20:11] <Bryen> actually i would love to see that background colors bug fixed. Do you have any idea if it is being given any love?
- # [20:11] <@davidb> well we aren't sure brailleback has stabilized… and don't currently have a way to resource it, from staff anyways.
- # [20:11] <@davidb> Bryen: dunno… is there a bug filed?
- # [20:12] <Bryen> davidb, yeah its the one you and clown and I were discussing about a year ago. Where setting backgroudn colors hides images and buttons and whatnot.. Lemme get the bug...
- # [20:12] <@davidb> windows HCM?
- # [20:12] <Bryen> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=746205
- # [20:12] <@firebot> Bug 746205 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, CSS issues render color selection in FF useless
- # [20:13] <clown> davidb, Bryen, "about a year ago" memories….
- # [20:13] <Bryen> As my vision continues to get worse, this problem becomes more and more profound.
- # [20:14] <Bryen> hey clown Didn't see you there. How ya doin?
- # [20:15] <clown> Hey Bryen, just getting over a nasty virus. So, I'm doing "better".
- # [20:16] <Bryen> I think when geeks get hit by a virus, that's particularly embarassing
- # [20:17] <Bryen> we should know our computers better than the average layperson out there
- # [20:17] <clown> heh
- # [20:19] <Bryen> anyway, clown davidb that bug up there....
- # [20:20] * clown rereads it.
- # [20:20] <lizzard> hey there davidb
- # [20:20] * @davidb is in a meeting
- # [20:20] <@davidb> hi lizzard
- # [20:20] <Bryen> he's always in a meeting when we want to chat with him
- # [20:20] <lizzard> i am listening to air mozilla status update but with half an ear I guess :)
- # [20:21] <@davidb> hey i have proof :) https://wiki.mozilla.org/WeeklyUpdates/2013-03-04
- # [20:21] <@davidb> lizzard: i need to reply to your email
- # [20:21] <@davidb> it is starred for later :)
- # [20:22] <lizzard> No worries, I'm just saying hello and lurking in your channel
- # [20:22] <@davidb> excellent
- # [20:23] <clown> Bryen, davidb (who is effectively davidb_mtg), doesn't look like FF changed at all in terms of its UI.
- # [20:23] <@davidb> i don't see activity on the bug… i'll need to catch a FF front end dev live i think
- # [20:24] * clown has no idea if applying the style sheet approach still works or not.
- # [20:24] <Bryen> clown, nope. and that work around you gave me, while useful, is extremely aggravating when it has to be done page by page :-/
- # [20:24] <Bryen> yes the style sheet approach works. But I always have to remember what the plugin is and the location of the file if I'm on a new machine.
- # [20:25] <clown> Bryen, but the workaround still works (never mind how aggravating for the moment)?
- # [20:25] <Bryen> yes
- # [20:25] * clown like ships passing through the night...
- # [20:25] <clown> Okay, the I have nothing to add :-)
- # [20:26] <Bryen> so do I file a "Have davidb poke a front-end guy" bug?
- # [20:26] <@davidb> Bryen: it is already in my big todo list
- # [20:26] <Bryen> :-)
- # [20:26] <clown> that approach was to show that it could be done, where "it" == high contrast mode + keeping background images.
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- # [20:27] <Bryen> yes and if that mode were persistent, I'd be one happy camper.
- # [20:28] <Bryen> someone showed me a while ago how it could be done persistently on Epiphany. But why use Epiphany when Firefox rocks?
- # [20:30] <clown> Bryen, now you are merely ingratiating yourself.
- # [20:30] <clown> ;-)
- # [20:30] <Bryen> :-)
- # [20:31] <clown> take note, davidb.
- # [20:33] <@davidb> :)
- # [20:33] <lizzard> I'm looking this morning at 2 thunderbird bugs, with the column ordering controls, and wondering if they both should be moved into Core::XUL
- # [20:33] <lizzard> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=370437
- # [20:33] <@firebot> Bug 370437 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, TB: Selecting and reordering columns to display (in message list pane) is not keyboard accessible (n
- # [20:33] <lizzard> and https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=722265
- # [20:33] <@firebot> Bug 722265 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Column header selection popup no longer exposed to accessibility APIs
- # [20:33] <@davidb> lizzard: it depends where the code lives of course… and I'm not 100% sure
- # [20:34] <lizzard> having some alternative menu such as in the View menu seems like a possible option
- # [20:34] <@davidb> lizzard: there used to be duplicate functionality in the menus… but I haven't compared lately
- # [20:35] <@davidb> (my FF bug list is so long… I'm not sure I'll get around to tbird bugs)
- # [20:35] <lizzard> yeah, i know…
- # [20:35] <@davidb> bwinton used to be the tbird a11y ambassador
- # [20:36] <Bryen> davidb, fold the paper in half so the list doesn't look as long. Less intimidating that way
- # [20:36] <@davidb> lizzard: the view->sort by menu seems promising
- # [20:36] <@davidb> Bryen: most of it is already scrolled out of view :)
- # [20:37] <Bryen> also use post-it sized paper instead of legal-size paper.
- # [20:37] <Bryen> oh you're one of those people who use computers??
- # [20:37] <@davidb> :)
- # [20:39] <lizzard> The sort by menu doesn't control which columns to display, though
- # [20:39] <lizzard> logically i think it would go in Layout
- # [20:39] <lizzard> View-> Layout i mean
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- # [20:43] <@davidb> yeah
- # [20:43] <@davidb> or View->Columns
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- # [20:44] <lizzard> yes, actually, that would be better
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- # [21:15] <askalski> hi everybody!
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- # [23:16] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com changed the Resolution on bug 846148 from --- to FIXED.
- # [23:16] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 846148 from ASSIGNED to RESOLVED.
- # [23:16] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 846148 from --- to mozilla22.
- # [23:16] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=846148 nor, --, mozilla22, surkov.alexander, RESO FIXED, Intermittent test_frames.html, test_doc.html | Assertion count 1 is greater than expected range 0-0
- # [23:17] <@firebot> trev.saunders@gmail.com requested needinfo from marco.zehe@google mail.com on bug 809338.
- # [23:17] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=809338 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, make HTML select hierarchical
- # [23:22] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com changed the Resolution on bug 844061 from --- to FIXED.
- # [23:22] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 844061 from NEW to RESOLVED.
- # [23:22] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 844061 from --- to mozilla22.
- # [23:23] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=844061 nor, --, mozilla22, surkov.alexander, RESO FIXED, DocAccessible doesn't need to keep a strong pointer to nsIDocument
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- # [23:35] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 847636 filed by ryanvm@gmail.com.
- # [23:35] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=847636 maj, P1, ---, nobody, NEW, Intermittent test_focus_browserui.xul | Assertion count 1 is greater than expected range (Can't crea
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