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  20. # [02:26] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 852804 filed by surkov.alexander@gmail.com.
  21. # [02:26] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=852804 nor, --, ---, surkov.alexander, NEW, a11y::SelectionManager shouldn't hold a strong ref to focused element
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  39. # [03:54] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com granted review for attachment 726005 on bug 852044.
  40. # [03:54] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=852044 nor, --, ---, trev.saunders, NEW, don't fire events from DocAccessible::ProcessLoad() sync
  41. # [04:04] <@tbsaunde> surkov: so, thinking about bug 852150?
  42. # [04:05] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=852150 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, "ASSERTION: No accessible parent?!" with table
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  44. # [04:05] <@surkov> tbsaunde: probably I need to take a look closer (many unclear steps)
  45. # [04:06] <@tbsaunde> surkov: what's unclear?
  46. # [04:07] <@surkov> like "InvalidateChildren is called somehow"
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  51. # [04:14] <@firebot> trev.saunders@gmail.com cancelled review?(trev.saunders@gmail .com) for attachment 726580 on bug 733712.
  52. # [04:14] <@firebot> trev.saunders@gmail.com granted feedback for attachment 726580 on bug 733712.
  53. # [04:14] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=733712 cri, --, ---, vd, ASSI, Don't call atk_object_set_name
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  56. # [04:30] <@tbsaunde> surkov: so I don'treally see why that matters? if we get to a point where some content has been removed but notthe accessibles for it I think we've already lost
  57. # [04:31] <@surkov> we shouldn't get to that point
  58. # [04:31] <@surkov> if content is removed then accessible should be removed too
  59. # [04:32] <@firebot> trev.saunders@gmail.com cancelled review?(surkov.alexander@gm ail.com) for attachment 722628 on bug 847636.
  60. # [04:33] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=847636 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Intermittent test_focus_browserui.xul | Assertion count 1 is greater than expected range (Can't crea
  61. # [04:33] <@firebot> trev.saunders@gmail.com changed the Resolution on bug 847636 from --- to FIXED.
  62. # [04:33] <@firebot> trev.saunders@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 847636 from NEW to RESOLVED.
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  64. # [04:35] <@tbsaunde> surkov: that's what I'm saying and I didn't really investigate the invalidateChildren() stuff because its passed the point where content is removed
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  67. # [04:40] <@tbsaunde> surkov: are you still interested in the InvalidateChildren() stuff or trying to figure something else out?
  68. # [04:41] <@surkov> tbsaunde: I'm not happy with proposed solution and I don't have a clear picture in my mind what's going on there
  69. # [04:41] <@surkov> I think our tree update logic should process these things correctly
  70. # [04:41] <@surkov> but it doesn't of course
  71. # [04:43] <@tbsaunde> surkov: I don't see why it would process it correctly
  72. # [04:48] <@tbsaunde> surkov: I mean the table isn't a child of the body when UpdateChildren() is called so how is the tree walker going to find it to remove accessible children
  73. # [04:49] <@surkov> so the problem is we handle body in special way
  74. # [04:49] <@surkov> tbsaunde: I wonder whether aContainer is a document?
  75. # [04:50] <@tbsaunde> surkov: I think it was yes
  76. # [04:50] <@tbsaunde> surkov: but I'm not absolutely sure you can't create it without aContainer being a document
  77. # [04:51] <@tbsaunde> surkov: like if I have <div role=note><div id="div_without_own_accessible><table></table></div></div> or something and remove table can't we have same problem?
  78. # [04:52] <@surkov> we shouldn't have a problem for this case
  79. # [04:52] <@surkov> since aContainer should be a top div
  80. # [04:52] <@surkov> or if we have then we need to fix the logic
  81. # [04:56] <@tbsaunde> surkov: why is aContainer being top div helping?
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  83. # [04:57] <@surkov> tbsaunde: we invalidate its children and should pick up new accessibles
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  85. # [05:03] <@tbsaunde> surkov: we only invalidate the children the tree walker finds, and I don't see why it would necessarily find the table in my example
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  87. # [05:04] <@surkov> tbsaunde: because table element is removed?
  88. # [05:05] <@surkov> tbsaunde: but don't we have another notification for table in this case?
  89. # [05:06] <@tbsaunde> surkov: yes, because table element was removed before we're called
  90. # [05:06] <@tbsaunde> surkov: what other notification?
  91. # [05:06] <@surkov> tbsaunde: for removed table
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  95. # [05:07] <@tbsaunde> surkov: I still don't see why would we get another notification?
  96. # [05:08] <@surkov> tbsaunde: so layout sends us one notification for body reconstruction and that's all?
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  98. # [05:08] <@tbsaunde> surkov: yes afaik
  99. # [05:09] <@surkov> ok
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  101. # [05:14] <@surkov> that TreeWalker part is obviously wrong
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  106. # [05:49] <@tbsaunde> surkov: so, thoughts on what to replace it with?
  107. # [05:50] <@surkov> good question
  108. # [05:55] <@surkov> we need to operate on accessible tree but not sure I can see ready alg for that
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  116. # [06:16] <@tbsaunde> surkov: ok, just checked to be absolutely sure, and when ContentRemoved() is called the table element isn't in the tree, we are called with aChildNode == <body> element and we get no other notification other than nsIDocumentObserver until the notification for the change ofthe <tr> element.
  117. # [06:16] <@surkov> tbsaunde: yeah, I saw we don't have other notifications
  118. # [06:16] <@surkov> I commented to the bug
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  120. # [06:18] <@tbsaunde> surkov: ok, just saw
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  150. # [08:53] <@firebot> rnewman@mozilla.com changed the Status on bug 852044 from NEW to ASSIGNED.
  151. # [08:53] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=852044 nor, --, ---, trev.saunders, ASSI, don't fire events from DocAccessible::ProcessLoad() sync
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  154. # [09:28] <@firebot> cykesiopka@hotmail.com requested review from mak77@bonardo.net for attachment 727098 on bug 394144.
  155. # [09:28] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=394144 tri, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Missing keyboard accelerator on "Do not ask next time" in the new quit dialog
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  190. # [14:41] <@marcoz> Hi davidb!
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  201. # [14:56] <@davidb> HEYO
  202. # [14:56] <@davidb> hi marcoz
  203. # [14:56] <@davidb> my irc client died there
  204. # [15:01] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 852955 filed by marco.zehe@googlemail.com.
  205. # [15:01] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=852955 maj, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [AccessFu] Trying to activate items at top of pages brings up awesome bar or menu instead
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  208. # [15:24] <@davidb> 2 minute warning
  209. # [15:24] <@davidb> hub, tbsaunde I'm in Finch
  210. # [15:24] <@hub> oh yeah. coming.
  211. # [15:25] <@davidb> eeejay, marcoz friendly ping
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  218. # [15:32] <@davidb> https://wiki.mozilla.org/Accessibility/Meetings/2013-03-20#Agenda
  219. # [15:33] <@davidb> https://wiki.mozilla.org/Platform/2013-Q1-Goals#Accessibility
  220. # [15:34] <@davidb> yzen feel free to join our meeting if you like
  221. # [15:35] <@davidb> https://wiki.mozilla.org/Accessibility/Meetings
  222. # [15:35] <@davidb> lizzard: that's hub talking now
  223. # [15:35] <lizzard> :)
  224. # [15:40] <lizzard> hi yzen
  225. # [15:40] <yzen> lizzard: hi
  226. # [15:41] <@davidb> https://wiki.mozilla.org/Platform/2013-Q2-Goals
  227. # [15:50] <@davidb> https://wiki.mozilla.org/Firefox/Goals/2013Q2
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  233. # [16:01] <@hub> eeejay: still going on
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  235. # [16:06] <lizzard> that is the worst name
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  239. # [16:11] <lizzard> I am looking at all your blogs :) I have marco's, davidb's, alex, eeejay, and hub's
  240. # [16:11] <lizzard> who am i missing from this illustrious list
  241. # [16:12] <@davidb> that's about right
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  244. # [16:24] <@marcoz> eeejay: Chewing on your comment in bug 811307, but have an idea where I want to go with this. :)
  245. # [16:24] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=811307 nor, --, ---, dbolter, NEW, [AccessFu] Add mochitest for enabling
  246. # [16:26] <@firebot> dbolter@mozilla.com changed the Assignee on bug 811307 from dbolter@mozilla.com to marco.zehe@googlemail.com.
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  252. # [16:37] <@marcoz> davidb: Thanks! :) Meant to do that, too, actually. :)
  253. # [16:37] <@davidb> np
  254. # [16:37] <@davidb> thank you actually
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  264. # [16:58] <vd> tbsaunde: did you reach a conclusion with surkov wrt Bug 733712
  265. # [16:58] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=733712 cri, --, ---, vd, ASSI, Don't call atk_object_set_name
  266. # [16:59] <vd> I see you have had a discussion on the bug, but it is unclear to me what follows next
  267. # [17:00] <vd> should I just fix the "nit:" thingies?
  268. # [17:02] <@tbsaunde> vd: nits sure, but probably best to wait for discussion
  269. # [17:02] <@tbsaunde> vd: I think we need to talk to atk people to get a conclusssion :/
  270. # [17:04] <vd> that would be Alejandro Piñeiro ?
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  272. # [17:05] <lizzard> I took meeting notes and put them on the meeting page -- hope they are ok. https://wiki.mozilla.org/Accessibility/Meetings/2013-03-20
  273. # [17:06] <lizzard> let me know if you want me to fix or change anything
  274. # [17:06] <@tbsaunde> vd: him and mgorse
  275. # [17:06] <vd> tbsaunde: should I email Alejandro ?
  276. # [17:07] <@tbsaunde> vd: I'll reply again in the bug and take care of it :)
  277. # [17:07] <vd> tbsaunde: ok, thank you, hope this does not get stalled
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  279. # [17:09] <@tbsaunde> vd: hopefully yeah, sorry
  280. # [17:12] <vd> :)
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  294. # [18:15] <@marcoz> eeejay: Put your suggestions into what some might call code. Will test tomorrow. And if it works, will upload a patch. Brain is now fried, and I'm going off for the evening. Ciao!
  295. # [18:15] <@marcoz> :)
  296. # [18:15] <@eeejay> marcoz, ciao!
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  306. # [19:12] <@davidb> lizzard: this is awesome
  307. # [19:13] * lizzard is a compulsive note-taker
  308. # [19:13] <@davidb> exactly what we need
  309. # [19:13] <@davidb> thank you!
  310. # [19:13] <@davidb> also thanks for getting up early
  311. # [19:14] <@davidb> ok i gotta go afk and walk two 10 year olds home from school… then get back online to WFH
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  316. # [19:38] <@eeejay> lizzard, i'm used to being the only west coast martyr
  317. # [19:44] <@hub> eeejay: that's because I left
  318. # [19:44] <@eeejay> hub, yeah
  319. # [19:49] <@eeejay> hub, you left a loooong time ago
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  321. # [19:53] <@hub> end of October
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  327. # [20:40] <@firebot> josh@joshmatthews.net changed the Assignee on bug 291082 from nobody@mozilla.org to almasry.mina@hotmail.com.
  328. # [20:40] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=291082 nor, --, ---, almasry.mina, NEW, preventDefault doesn't block keyboard navigation in select-one drop-down lists
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