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  30. # [09:58] <@marcoz> OMG dramarama! LOL! See last comment in bug 1996! Man am I glad I am not involved in any of these standards bodies! I was just laughing my ass of for five minutes. HARD.
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  32. # [10:15] <icaaq> marcoz: haha, I get a wikiwar feeling, "When one or more groups of wikinerds engage in battles over the content of an article in wikipedia. The conflict is usually over oposite interpretations of some concept."
  33. # [10:17] <@marcoz> icaaq: Oh yeah, fun times, too! I usually stay out of such conflicts.
  34. # [10:18] <@marcoz> Oh no, and another round of aria-hidden in bug 780888! Can't this f*cking attribute just simply die?
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  36. # [11:31] <Steve> marcoz: davidb|mobile: ping re longdesc https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1996#c96 will be around if you feel so inclined
  37. # [12:25] <@marcoz> Steve: and if we don't? ;-) // davidb|mobile
  38. # [12:26] <Steve> marcoz: then fine by me, surkov pinged me asking my opinion, its there in the bug comment :-)
  39. # [12:34] <@marcoz> steve: I was only joking. I am indifferent to whether we should have support for it in the browser or not, but we need a definite solution once and for all to stop things like this from happening in the future. I mean the W3C saying one thing and the HTMLWG guru closing that very bug the same day. This is just ridiculous and plainly shows the state this standardization effort is in in a lot of place: A total mess.
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  43. # [13:03] <Steve> marcoz: yep i knew you were and would rather be doing other things, but agree that "we need a definite solution once and for all to stop things like this from happening in the future"
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  60. # [14:27] <@davidb> heyo
  61. # [14:31] <Steve> davidb: mourning
  62. # [14:31] <@davidb> heh
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  64. # [14:35] <@davidb> marcoz: can you reply to this? https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/?ui=2&shva=1#inbox/13da6e38c4fb9707
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  66. # [14:40] <@marcoz> davidb: I don't think I can, since this would lead me into your inbox if Google hadn't its security in order. ;) It's a gmail link.
  67. # [14:40] <@davidb> heh
  68. # [14:40] <@davidb> marcoz: eyes-free list… a user with broken keyboard usage of FF
  69. # [14:41] <@davidb> (on android)
  70. # [14:44] <@marcoz> davidb: Is he trying to move from the awesome bar to content? If he's on nightly, then yes it's broken. I filed a bug on it yesterday. bug 854416
  71. # [14:46] <@davidb> marcoz: it is the top post here https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!forum/eyes-free
  72. # [14:46] <@davidb> this should work https://groups.google.com/d/msg/eyes-free/HZjbHjr7ZLA/t1PniJ8vOTMJ
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  74. # [14:49] <@hub> ahah, linking to the inbox
  75. # [14:49] <@hub> nice one
  76. # [14:49] <@hub> davidb, marcoz: google could have been smarter and provided the Message-Id: in the URL. If from a mailing list it would have worked
  77. # [14:49] <@hub> we could do that with Apple Mail
  78. # [14:50] <@davidb> :)
  79. # [14:50] * @davidb <-- gmail rookie
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  81. # [15:20] <@marcoz> davidb: Replied, asked for more info.
  82. # [15:20] <@davidb> nice
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  91. # [16:18] <vd> tbsaunde: restarting firefox and atspimon.py.txt in all kinds of combinations did not help - the script keeps not seeing that FF is running
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  99. # [17:33] <@marcoz> Java is really crazy. I mean how deeply can you nest assignments that spawn into methods and such? This is crazy…..
  100. # [17:37] <eeejay> yzen, i'll probably get to your patches tomorrow
  101. # [17:37] <eeejay> marcoz, yo!
  102. # [17:37] <@tbsaunde> marcoz: how is that different from js?
  103. # [17:37] <yzen> eeejay: sounds good
  104. # [17:38] <@marcoz> tbsaunde: It actually isn't that much different.
  105. # [17:38] <@marcoz> eeejay: Hi there! Hope you don't mind I jumped onto your patch from bug 854006 today!
  106. # [17:38] <eeejay> marcoz, glad you did. i was having second thoughts about it.
  107. # [17:39] <@tbsaunde> vd: that's really unexpected, one other thing you might try is starting firefox with GNOME_ACCESSIBILITY=1 in your enviroment, but I don't mind testing for you at all
  108. # [17:39] <@marcoz> yzen: I was curious and took a look at your patches already. The reorg you're doing with the utterance and presenter stuff will actually help me a lot with a patch I'm having in my pipeline regarding data table announcements.
  109. # [17:39] <yzen> marcoz: that's awesome :)
  110. # [17:39] <@marcoz> eeejay: You now have a review request for it. ;)
  111. # [17:40] <eeejay> marcoz, so it is working well for you?
  112. # [17:40] <@marcoz> eeejay: I am still not sure I got all the nuances of sequences right, what causes which of the event handlers to fire etc. If you're curious, you can read kats' and my discussion in #mobile from 4 hours ago.
  113. # [17:40] <eeejay> who is bugmail.mozilla@staktrace.com?
  114. # [17:41] <vd> tbsaunde: ok, let me try that and if it does not work too, then I will leave the testing in your capable hands.
  115. # [17:41] <@marcoz> eeejay: After I made the changes, the patch started working really well for me, yes.
  116. # [17:41] <@marcoz> eeejay: Kats on IRC.
  117. # [17:41] <@marcoz> eeejay: Or Kartigaia Gupta (correct spelling not guaranteed).
  118. # [17:42] <eeejay> oh, i was using another bugmail for him
  119. # [17:42] <@marcoz> eeejay: In any case, a colleague, a Mozilla employee.
  120. # [17:42] <eeejay> right
  121. # [17:43] <@marcoz> eeejay: This was what got autocompleted for me upon review request. :)
  122. # [17:45] <eeejay> gotcha
  123. # [17:47] * eeejay is in android bug extinguishing mode
  124. # [17:47] <@marcoz> eeejay: I would especially like to request that you take a hard look at the "middle" one, the one where sEventMessage gets assigned to null in the case block. That's the original one from before threading, and that's the one I'm really unsure about whether it should be kept at the beginning or moved to the end again. I'm still not a hundred percent clear about which places the method that's using it gets called from, and if I'm accid
  125. # [17:48] <vd> tbsaunde: no luck with GNOME_ACCESSIBILITY=1 either :/
  126. # [17:48] <eeejay> marcoz, sure
  127. # [17:49] <eeejay> marcoz, i'm working on the weird offset thing
  128. # [17:49] <@marcoz> eeejay: Splendit!
  129. # [17:49] <eeejay> marcoz, well, i was going to say it is a pain the the eye
  130. # [17:49] <@tbsaunde> vd: ok, not that is extraordinarily weird but ok
  131. # [17:50] <eeejay> marcoz, i am reimplementing scroll into view to test out a theory
  132. # [17:50] <vd> :)
  133. # [17:51] <@marcoz> eeejay: I look forward to what you'll come up with! :)
  134. # [17:51] * @davidb recalls dojo/dijit normalizing scrollintoview
  135. # [17:51] <eeejay> davidb, i was gonna say..
  136. # [17:52] <eeejay> davidb, i think that is probably the chunk of js that will be reinvented again and again
  137. # [17:53] <@tbsaunde> vd: in theory the code that checks if a11y should be on is the stuff in accessible/src/atk/Platform.cpp ShouldA11yBeEnabled()
  138. # [17:53] <@tbsaunde> (only if your really interested in debugging)
  139. # [17:54] * vd looking
  140. # [17:55] <@marcoz> eeejay: davidb: these viewport things are really hard to get right. Some is screen-based, some relative to the parent, some relative to the window….And always having the right coordinates for the right circumstance is a real pain...
  141. # [17:55] <@tbsaunde> thanks! I assume your on openbsd? maybe something is funny there
  142. # [17:58] <@davidb> marcoz, eeejay if you want to hurt a little… http://bugs.dojotoolkit.org/browser/dojo/dijit/trunk/_base/scroll.js?rev=16523
  143. # [17:58] <vd> tbsaunde: I have freebsd & ubuntu, probably I should recompile the whole thing on ubuntu...
  144. # [17:58] <@davidb> (this is why browsers should strive for compat)
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  146. # [18:08] <@tbsaunde> vd: meh, don't worry about it that much :)
  147. # [18:09] <@tbsaunde> vd: mostly I suggested in case you want to work on that code more in future
  148. # [18:13] <vd> tbsaunde: I picked up this bug because it was tagged with [good first bug]. I may work on that code in the future, so I will try to chew this down. Anyway - I think it would be good if you can test the patch yourself.
  149. # [18:13] <@tbsaunde> vd: sure, np
  150. # [18:22] <@marcoz> eeejay: Objections to me landing bug 854006?
  151. # [18:23] <@davidb> marcoz: can you take a ride along?
  152. # [18:24] <@marcoz> davidb: Sure!
  153. # [18:24] <@davidb> ok 1 sec
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  155. # [18:25] <@davidb> marcoz: the latest patch in bug 853581
  156. # [18:27] <@marcoz> davidb: OK, looking!
  157. # [18:27] <@davidb> just trivial cleanup
  158. # [18:27] <@davidb> in a file that i might be working in
  159. # [18:35] <@marcoz> davidb: Done. :)
  160. # [18:35] <@davidb> cheers mate
  161. # [18:35] <@marcoz> eeejay: Also pushed 854006.
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  167. # [19:11] <@marcoz> eeejay: I'm doing an evening shift today, so if you like you can throw patches at me for testing for another 90 or close to 120 minutes.
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  181. # [19:43] <@marcoz> davidb: Fighting MoCoTo Wifi again? :)
  182. # [19:43] <@davidb> yeah
  183. # [19:44] <eeejay> davidb, 1:1?
  184. # [19:44] <@davidb> eeejay: yep
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  186. # [20:15] <@marcoz> eeejay: So, any luck with that new approach?
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  188. # [20:20] <eeejay> marcoz, still hacking it
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  190. # [20:28] <@davidb> tbsaunde: sent to you.
  191. # [20:28] <@davidb> tbsaunde: want the hard copy?
  192. # [20:29] <@tbsaunde> davidb: nah
  193. # [20:29] <@davidb> alrighty
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  195. # [20:43] <@marcoz> OK, I'll go offline now. eeejay, if you have anything to test, I'll do it in the morning and let you know via comments. :)
  196. # [20:44] <eeejay> marcoz, ok. don't hold your breath, sorry.
  197. # [20:46] <@marcoz> eeejay: No worries!
  198. # [20:46] <@marcoz> Ciao!
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  205. # [21:27] <@tbsaunde> a64/win 29
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  216. # [22:13] <@hub> it seems that with the new way to run mochitest we fail certain tests
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  226. # [22:37] <@tbsaunde> hub: make mochitest-a11y wfm modulo the media tests that fail for me because I build with --disable-ogg
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  231. # [22:44] <@hub> tbsaunde: there is apparently a new way. I'll dig that more
  232. # [22:44] <@hub> before filing a bug
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