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  1. # Session Start: Wed Mar 27 00:00:00 2013
  2. # Session Ident: #accessibility
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  12. # [01:25] <@tbsaunde> surkov: are you just staying up all night or what ;)
  13. # [01:26] <@surkov> tbsaunde: sleeping for short hours
  14. # [01:26] <@tbsaunde> surkov: ah :)
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  16. # [01:30] <@surkov> tbsaunde: why wouldn't you do timers per document?
  17. # [01:31] <@surkov> i.e. the doc accessible has own array of timers?
  18. # [01:31] <@tbsaunde> surkov: mostly just don't want to spend time on it
  19. # [01:31] <@surkov> ok
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  21. # [02:08] <deper29> surkov: are you around?
  22. # [02:08] <@surkov> deper29: I am
  23. # [02:09] <deper29> i'm new to firefox development, and I wanted to try to work on this bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=849624 but I don't know where to start
  24. # [02:11] <@surkov> deper29: ok, nice to meet you, you're not Brandon who wanted to adopt that bug?
  25. # [02:11] <deper29> surkov: I'm not Brandon, no
  26. # [02:12] <@surkov> deper29: it'd be good to ask him in the bug if you can take it, because he might be started working on it
  27. # [02:12] <deper29> okay, I'll do that
  28. # [02:13] <@surkov> deper29: do you have mozilla sources and did you build firefox on your machine already?
  29. # [02:13] <deper29> surkov: I do and I did
  30. # [02:14] <@surkov> ok, good, deper29, did you located HyperTextAccessible::NativeAttributes()?
  31. # [02:14] <deper29> no, I don't know how to locate it
  32. # [02:15] <@surkov> deper29: you could use mxr tool or local search in mozilla sources
  33. # [02:15] <@surkov> for example, http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/search?string=HyperTextAccessible::NativeAttributes
  34. # [02:16] <deper29> okay, I found the cpp file that has that
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  36. # [02:21] <@surkov> deper29: there you can see how we expose nsGkAtoms::xmlroles object attribute, you need to change it corresponding to bug description
  37. # [02:22] <@surkov> deper29: but since this bug might be still occupied then you can try to find something else, https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?list_id=6128429&resolution=---&query_based_on=good-first-bug&status_whiteboard_type=substring&query_format=advanced&status_whiteboard=[good%20first%20bug]&component=Disability%20Access%20APIs&product=Core&known_name=good-first-bug
  38. # [02:23] <deper29> surkov: okay, I'll look at that list for now. thanks for this
  39. # [02:23] <@surkov> yw
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  46. # [03:38] <brankc> deper29, hi! I'm Brandon!
  47. # [03:39] <brankc> I've already made my changes related to the bug. I just don't know how to test it.
  48. # [03:41] <brankc> I know how to run the test suite. I just don't know how to run a specific test.
  49. # [03:41] <brankc> Can anyone help?
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  51. # [04:45] <@tbsaunde> brankc: make mochitest-a11y TEST_PATH= is the easiest way I know of
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  67. # [08:49] <@surkov> brankc: run them all together and search in output (at least until bug 854868 is fixed)
  68. # [08:49] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=854868 nor, --, ---, mbrubeck, ASSI, no way to provide a test path for mochitest-a11y
  69. # [08:50] <@surkov> or you can apply the latest patch from that bug
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  78. # [11:27] <@tbsaunde> surkov: or you can just run tests with make or use the virtualenv python obth of which are easier than applying patches :)
  79. # [11:27] <@surkov> tbsaunde: yes, I just didn't' try that
  80. # [11:27] <@surkov> and actually forgot about it
  81. # [11:28] <@tbsaunde> :)
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  100. # [14:16] <@davidb> heyo!
  101. # [14:16] <@davidb> any of you guys use chrome canary?
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  104. # [14:22] <@davidb> guys… i got pulled into a community building morning here
  105. # [14:23] <@davidb> will be eyes off channel mostly
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  110. # [14:39] <@marcoz> davidb: Ah OK! And no, I don't use Chrome at all.
  111. # [14:44] <@hub> I use Chrome only to view Air Mozilla
  112. # [14:56] <@marcoz> hub: Interesting…..Why is that?
  113. # [15:00] <@hub> marcoz: Flash
  114. # [15:00] <@hub> I mean "Air Mozilla live"
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  116. # [15:10] <@marcoz> hub: Oh that uses Flash? Didn't know.
  117. # [15:10] <@hub> marcoz: still
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  119. # [15:14] <@marcoz> hub: I never bothered to look. :) I just listen in, and when I'm done, close the window.
  120. # [15:17] <@hub> marcoz: yeah but I browse without Flash
  121. # [15:17] <@hub> marcoz: also it fails with tablets as well
  122. # [15:17] <@marcoz> Yeah, I need to test Flash interaction so often that I don't bother turning it off in the interim.
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  124. # [15:19] <@hub> also I use Linux
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  135. # [16:03] <@tbsaunde> surkov: so, what's up with the plugin stuff?
  136. # [16:04] <@surkov> tbsaunde: sorry I didn't look at it today, I will do that tomorrow
  137. # [16:04] <@tbsaunde> surkov: ah, np
  138. # [16:05] <@tbsaunde> surkov: so, can you think of a case we need to worry about xbl in bug 852150?
  139. # [16:05] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=852150 maj, --, ---, trev.saunders, NEW, "ASSERTION: No accessible parent?!" with table
  140. # [16:06] <@surkov> tbsaunde: those are very special, are we ok if somebody use those crazy HTML table parts inside XBL?
  141. # [16:08] <@tbsaunde> surkov: remember the thing is that the xbl boundary has to be between the accessibles and the reframe root must not have an accessible
  142. # [16:09] <@tbsaunde> I suspect that there are no such cases except possibly terribly abusive test cases
  143. # [16:09] <@surkov> what is XBL bound element is not accessible?
  144. # [16:09] <@surkov> is -> if
  145. # [16:10] <@surkov> but I tend to agree we probably shouldn't worry about it
  146. # [16:10] <@tbsaunde> surkov: well, one of its parents is going to be right?
  147. # [16:11] <@surkov> yes, for example, document
  148. # [16:11] <@tbsaunde> surkov: what I think I'm proposing is not worry about it for now since its probably better than what we have anyway and see if fuzzing can find any places it breaks
  149. # [16:11] <@surkov> tbsaunde: I agree
  150. # [16:11] <@surkov> at least until XLB becomes a part of web
  151. # [16:12] <@tbsaunde> surkov: ok, I think the patch is cleaned up just need to see what asserts I can add
  152. # [16:12] <@surkov> it'd be good
  153. # [16:17] <@tbsaunde> surkov: one other thing are you fixing that image thing or am I doing it next?
  154. # [16:17] <@surkov> tbsaunde: which image thing?
  155. # [16:18] <@surkov> (I'm on text iface)
  156. # [16:19] <@tbsaunde> surkov: the <img>foobar</img> thing bug 852129
  157. # [16:19] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=852129 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, "ASSERTION: Text leaf parent is not hypertext" with text node child of <img>
  158. # [16:19] <@surkov> tbsaunde: sure feel free to take it
  159. # [16:19] <@tbsaunde> surkov: I was expecting to do it but figured I'd check because of your last comment
  160. # [16:19] <@surkov> just chatting :)
  161. # [16:20] <@surkov> nothing serious
  162. # [16:31] <@marcoz> surkov: So, how is the text work progressing? Do you feel like what you started in bug 853340 is solidifying? Or is this still an at-risk feature/bug fix?
  163. # [16:31] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=853340 nor, --, mozilla22, surkov.alexander, RESO FIXED, getTextAtOffset for word boundaries: beginning of a new life
  164. # [16:31] <@marcoz> I don't mean that bug specifically, but the whole area of code this is involved in.
  165. # [16:32] <@surkov> marcoz: I still consider it at-risk
  166. # [16:32] <@marcoz> surkov: OK, what else needs to land before it is no longer at risk?
  167. # [16:33] <@surkov> marcoz: probably new implementation of text interface or when long testing shows it's ok
  168. # [16:33] <@marcoz> surkov: OK.
  169. # [16:34] <@surkov> I replace bridges in the wall, it's not safe in general
  170. # [16:35] <@marcoz> :) What's the best way to test this?
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  206. # [19:26] <@davidb> tbsaunde: bug 571613
  207. # [19:27] <@tbsaunde> davidb: ok
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  209. # [19:27] <@tbsaunde> davidb: did you start looking at bug 845134?
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  211. # [19:27] <@davidb> tbsaunde: no
  212. # [19:28] <@davidb> probably a good one for your collection :)
  213. # [19:29] <@tbsaunde> davidb: yeah, I was thinking of looking at it now 852150 is done
  214. # [19:29] <@davidb> awesome
  215. # [19:42] <@tbsaunde> davidb: can you see what the screen shots are showing there?
  216. # [19:42] <@davidb> tbsaunde: where?
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  218. # [19:43] <@tbsaunde> davidb: in the logs for bug 845134
  219. # [19:45] <@tbsaunde> davidb: after TES-UNEXPECTED-FAIL there's a data:image/png;base64,...
  220. # [19:46] <@davidb> oh!
  221. # [19:47] <@davidb> tbsaunde: hahaha
  222. # [19:48] <@tbsaunde> davidb: ?
  223. # [19:48] <@davidb> I see a dialog… it says Microsoft Windows, the system has recovered from a serious error
  224. # [19:49] <@davidb> behind that i see a window showing the book of mozilla
  225. # [19:49] <@davidb> and behind that the main ff window
  226. # [19:50] <@tbsaunde> davidb: oh, hm
  227. # [19:50] <@davidb> let me check i'm looking at the right one
  228. # [19:50] <@davidb> yeah i am
  229. # [19:50] <@tbsaunde> so from the loging currently on we create the doc accessible for the dialog enough to get the reorder on the application accessible, but no load complete or anything and no focus events
  230. # [19:51] <@tbsaunde> that screen shot makes me wonder if we're just hitting bad slaves
  231. # [19:52] <@davidb> right
  232. # [19:52] <@tbsaunde> nah, all different slaves but all win xp
  233. # [19:53] <@davidb> hmm
  234. # [19:53] <@tbsaunde> are they all the window serious error thing?
  235. # [19:53] <@davidb> well i attached to the bug
  236. # [19:53] <@davidb> we can discuss there
  237. # [19:53] <@davidb> i mean feel free to dump speculation there
  238. # [19:55] <@tbsaunde> I have no more speculation though I may enable some more logging
  239. # [19:56] <@davidb> ok
  240. # [19:57] <@davidb> tbsaunde: thanks for pointing out the png!
  241. # [19:58] <@tbsaunde> np
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  243. # [20:28] <lizzard> Nice results just now from talking with madalina - I am going to come to the support channel's SUMO days and be available to talk about bugs
  244. # [20:29] <lizzard> And as we also discussed accessibility support questions and bugs, she said she would start referring people who show up to sumo day with accessibility bugs to me in this channel (which I hope will be a good thing)
  245. # [20:29] <@davidb> ok
  246. # [20:29] <@davidb> we will find out!
  247. # [20:30] <@davidb> ideally this channel would be for if there is a real bug
  248. # [20:30] <@davidb> and if there are common sumo support reqs that demand attention
  249. # [20:32] <@tbsaunde> davidb: so mochitest-a11y seems to hit 2 a11y asserts one is the event other than show and hide fired for plain text leaves which I intend to look at soon
  250. # [20:33] <@davidb> only 2?
  251. # [20:33] <@tbsaunde> and the other is spewed a lot for GetTextHelper failing which I'm tempted to remove on the grounds its anoying gets in the way and alex will rewrite soon so nobody will fix
  252. # [20:33] <@tbsaunde> there's also a dom assert or two
  253. # [20:33] <@davidb> ok
  254. # [20:34] <@tbsaunde> that I may or may not look into
  255. # [20:35] <@davidb> tbsaunde: the full dependency tree for bug 855375 is 9 bugs, including 855375
  256. # [20:35] <@davidb> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=855375&hide_resolved=1
  257. # [20:35] <@davidb> (currently)
  258. # [20:35] <lizzard> davidb: yes, i agree
  259. # [20:36] <lizzard> davidb: we talked about that -- ie, not referring all the access support questions here, just if they sound like a bug, and the reporter is new and needs help filing
  260. # [20:36] <@davidb> ok
  261. # [20:36] <lizzard> But telling them to talk to me about it in this channel seemed more useful potentially since it may be a focus for them:D
  262. # [20:37] <lizzard> I will not send you a firehose don't worry
  263. # [20:37] <@davidb> ok
  264. # [20:38] <@tbsaunde> davidb: yeah, I forgot to check for having left Math.tan()s around ;)
  265. # [20:39] <@davidb> heheh
  266. # [20:41] <@tbsaunde> davidb: I'm tempted to wfm all the open deps of 571613 I don't think half those assertions are even around anymore much less hit
  267. # [20:42] <@davidb> i trust your judgement
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