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- # Session Start: Fri Apr 05 00:00:00 2013
- # Session Ident: #accessibility
- # [00:00] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=857936 nor, --, ---, surkov.alexander, NEW, ARIA columnheader/rowheader should inherit editable state
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- # [03:20] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com changed the Resolution on bug 857749 from --- to FIXED.
- # [03:20] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 857749 from NEW to RESOLVED.
- # [03:21] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 857749 from --- to mozilla23.
- # [03:21] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=857749 nor, --, ---, yura.zenevich, NEW, [AccessFu] Application object utterance function fails due to missing this propagation.
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- # [04:08] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com granted in-testsuite on bug 857936.
- # [04:08] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=857936 nor, --, ---, surkov.alexander, NEW, ARIA columnheader/rowheader should inherit editable state
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- # [06:04] <tbsaunde> surkov: what do you think of my theory in bug 857344?
- # [06:05] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=857344 cri, --, ---, nobody, NEW, crash in mozilla::a11y::XULTreeGridCellAccessible::NativeState
- # [06:07] <@surkov> tbsaunde: ChildAtPoint has null check for column
- # [06:14] <tbsaunde> surkov: yeah, your right
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- # [06:14] <tbsaunde> surkov: any idea what's happening then? (it seems big changes happened somewhere in that file since the line number is totally bogus
- # [06:23] <tbsaunde> surkov: do you agree the bug is probably that mColumns is null?
- # [06:23] <@surkov> it seems so
- # [06:24] <@surkov> tbsaunde: what happens when column goes away
- # [06:25] <tbsaunde> surkov: actually wait I think I see another posibility, mTreeView could be implemented in js, and maybe selection if somebody decides the native one isn't good enough for their tree, so theoretically the js we run for getting the selection or checking if the item is selected could cause mTreeView to go away
- # [06:26] <@surkov> tbsaunde: but we should be notified about that
- # [06:27] <tbsaunde> surkov: sure, but assume it makes mTreeView null then we don't null check it again when we get back there
- # [06:27] <@surkov> I see
- # [06:29] <tbsaunde> surkov: so we might be able to paper ovr that with a null check, but I sort of think we should get rid of stuff that can call into js
- # [06:29] <tbsaunde> except that I'm not sure there's a way to avoid it here
- # [06:32] <@surkov> tbsaunde: ok, adding an assertion seems reasonable?
- # [06:32] <tbsaunde> surkov: what would the assert help?
- # [06:33] <@surkov> tbsaunde: if we catch it then we are sure you were right :)
- # [06:35] <tbsaunde> surkov: I ugess so
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- # [07:54] <tbsaunde> surkov: good idea to look at cc stuff, it seems reasonable
- # [07:55] <@surkov> ok
- # [07:56] <tbsaunde> its also another good reason we should finish doing seperate platform objects on windows I think, I think this problem may not exist for linux
- # [07:57] <rednaks> surkov, tbsaunde could you tell me pealse why it's not optimized ? on bug 850987
- # [07:57] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=850987 nor, --, ---, s, NEW, RenderedToContentOffset/ContentToRenderedOffset should return an offset unchanged for HTMLTextFieldA
- # [07:57] <rednaks> yesterday I pinged tbsaunde he didn't reply :p
- # [07:57] <@surkov> rednaks: not sure I understand the question
- # [07:58] <tbsaunde> rednaks: sorry, didn't see it :(
- # [07:59] <rednaks> it's about the comment of tbsaunde on the patch, he said that if we had (<textfield>foo<div>bar</div></textfield>) it won't be optimized
- # [07:59] <tbsaunde> surkov: I want to check the reports but I'm leaning towards bug 857319 being an issue with one users machine or version of window eyes or something, all the reports I see are for windows 6.0
- # [07:59] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=857319 cri, --, ---, nobody, NEW, crash in mozilla::a11y::sdnAccessible::Release
- # [08:00] <@surkov> tbsaunde: yeah, what I saw they were about WE
- # [08:01] <tbsaunde> rednaks: my point is that it maybe possible to have HyperTextAccessible that is child of HyperTextAccessible for <textarea> and if so then aksing if the child HyperTextAccessible is a textarea will return false, but that should be fine just slower
- # [08:01] <@surkov> tbsaunde: no, all content is treated as cdata
- # [08:01] <tbsaunde> surkov: I plan to look a little more and then maybe poke gw micro people
- # [08:02] <@surkov> tbsaunde: ok, good
- # [08:02] <tbsaunde> surkov: not sure what that means
- # [08:02] <@surkov> tbsaunde: that means everything inside text area is plain text, if you put <div> there then you see "div"
- # [08:03] <@surkov> tbsaunde: it's like a html:pre element
- # [08:03] <tbsaunde> surkov: thread safe ref counting won't save us it'll change how we crash to crash when people make us poke at the DOM off the main thread, but iirc all the crashes where on the main thread so
- # [08:03] <tbsaunde> surkov: ah
- # [08:03] <tbsaunde> rednaks: then just ignore me :)
- # [08:04] <@surkov> tbsaunde: ok, I don't have good ideas, and I don't know this area well
- # [08:06] <rednaks> hahaha it's okey :p I justed needed to have more info
- # [08:07] <rednaks> so I'll send you the new patch with coding style fix
- # [08:08] <tbsaunde> surkov: btw it seems one of your text patches broke navigating by words in links with orca :(
- # [08:09] <tbsaunde> oh, s/in links//
- # [08:09] <@surkov> tbsaunde: cool, that's what I afraid of
- # [08:12] <tbsaunde> surkov: sure, we should figure out what we want to do about 22 since its branched now
- # [08:13] <@surkov> tbsaunde: yeah, file a bug pls and cc joanie
- # [08:13] <@firebot> s@rednaks.tn requested checkin from surkov.alexander@g mail.com for attachment 733746 on bug 850987.
- # [08:13] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=850987 nor, --, ---, s, NEW, RenderedToContentOffset/ContentToRenderedOffset should return an offset unchanged for HTMLTextFieldA
- # [08:13] <@surkov> rednaks: you need to add checkin-needed keyword
- # [08:13] <@surkov> (not flag)
- # [08:14] <rednaks> oups
- # [08:15] <rednaks> should I replace the flag by a review flag ?
- # [08:15] <@surkov> rednaks: I will land it (but next time yes please)
- # [08:16] <@surkov> there's a nit still in the bug (you need to add space after 'if' and before '('
- # [08:19] <tbsaunde> surkov: ok, though hoestly you probably have a better about the cause than me
- # [08:20] <tbsaunde> I cache flush that stuff at the end of reviews and have spent a bit of this week fighting with build systems and stuff
- # [08:20] <@surkov> tbsaunde: you know I afraid that we have different treatment of the spec :)
- # [08:21] <@firebot> s@rednaks.tn requested review from surkov.alexander@gm ail.com for attachment 733747 on bug 850987.
- # [08:22] <tbsaunde> surkov: as in we interpret it one way and they another?
- # [08:23] <@surkov> tbsaunde: I think so
- # [08:23] <@surkov> so we need to find specific case (I hoped that can be you ;) ) and discuss it with tehm
- # [08:24] <rednaks> how can I delete the previous attachment ? i forgot to make it obsolete :s
- # [08:25] <rednaks> it's ok :D
- # [08:25] <@firebot> s@rednaks.tn cancelled checkin?(surkov.alexander@g mail.com) for attachment 733746 on bug 850987.
- # [08:25] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=850987 nor, --, ---, s, NEW, RenderedToContentOffset/ContentToRenderedOffset should return an offset unchanged for HTMLTextFieldA
- # [08:25] <rednaks> sorry about flooding :(
- # [08:25] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com cancelled review?(surkov.alexander@gm ail.com) for attachment 733747 on bug 850987.
- # [08:25] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com granted feedback for attachment 733747 on bug 850987.
- # [08:25] <@surkov> nm
- # [08:26] <@surkov> rednaks: thank you for the fix (don't forget to take a look at other a11y bugs waiting for adoption :) )
- # [08:27] <rednaks> thanks surkov ! ok I will :)
- # [08:27] <@surkov> cool!
- # [08:29] <tbsaunde> surkov: sure, shouldn't be hard to write a test case
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- # [08:42] <tbsaunde> surkov: oh, so one issue with your CC theory if the CC is unlinking an object then it knows all of the things holdning refs to the thing its unlinking which isn't the case if external thing is holding onto object
- # [08:42] <tbsaunde> so if the CC is unlinking an object then nobody outside gecko has a ref to it
- # [08:43] <@surkov> what about inside gecko?
- # [08:43] <@surkov> oh
- # [08:43] <@surkov> but I don't really have other ideas how mContent can get out of sync with mIsDefunct
- # [08:46] <tbsaunde> surkov: well then that object will get unlinked too, but it doesn't matter since the stack says someone outside had a ref
- # [08:47] <tbsaunde> me neither but we can add asserts and hope they get hit
- # [08:47] <@surkov> tbsaunde: it's more likely to hit crash than assert :)
- # [08:51] <tbsaunde> surkov: well, depends what we do
- # [08:52] <tbsaunde> surkov: we couldadd function that on every refresh at begining and end walks entire tree and checks they're correct
- # [08:52] <tbsaunde> would be slow but that's probably fine for debug
- # [08:52] <@surkov> seems expensive
- # [08:52] <@surkov> debug is already incredible slow :)
- # [08:52] <@surkov> as an option only
- # [08:53] <tbsaunde> surkov: I guess
- # [08:53] <tbsaunde> surkov: mostly I want it on in config that will be fuzzed
- # [08:54] <@surkov> ok
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- # [09:20] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=852150 maj, --, ---, trev.saunders, NEW, "ASSERTION: No accessible parent?!" with table
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- # [11:46] <rednaks> tbsaunde, sould I change the status of the bug to RESOLVED ? it landed on mozilla-inbound
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- # [15:09] <@marcoz> Good morning davidb!
- # [15:09] <@davidb> heyo
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- # [15:14] <@davidb> hi
- # [15:14] * @davidb bugmails
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- # [15:21] <@firebot> jdiggs@igalia.com cancelled needinfo?(jdiggs@igalia.com ) on bug 809338.
- # [15:22] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=809338 nor, --, ---, trev.saunders, NEW, make HTML select hierarchical
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- # [15:38] <icaaq> marcoz: I really enjoyed all that "bummer" talk!
- # [15:38] <@marcoz> icaaq: LOL!
- # [15:41] <icaaq> I have a nexus 4 as well and I really like it! hopefully the a11y stuff will be even better in future releases…
- # [15:47] <@marcoz> icaaq: I hope so, too! And yes, the Nexus 4 is a nice phone!
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- # [16:04] <@davidb> marcoz: does pdf.js do anything special with tagged pdf?
- # [16:04] <@davidb> i'm guessing not
- # [16:09] <@marcoz> davidb: Nope. Totally ignoring tags.
- # [16:11] <@davidb> do we have a bug for that?
- # [16:13] <@davidb> marcoz: when is chris back?
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- # [16:32] <icaaq> hahaha, my two birds really hate it when it turn on voice over...
- # [16:32] <icaaq> when I turn on voice over^
- # [16:33] <@marcoz> davidb|dentist: I am under the impression that Chris will be back next week.
- # [16:34] <@marcoz> davidb|dentist: Re pdf.js and tags, I *think* I filed a bug, or I created an issue against github back then, but I'll have to check later.
- # [16:35] * clown either davidb|dentist is now also a DDS, or he's got more dental work.
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- # [19:05] <@davidb> hub: did you go to that dev phone status thing?
- # [19:07] * clown notes that davidb is no longer a dentist. probably a drop in salary...
- # [19:07] <@davidb> i can still extract teeth for pleasure
- # [19:09] <clown> reminds me of "Little Shop of Horrors".
- # [19:11] <clown> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOtMizMQ6oM
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- # [19:13] <@hub> davidb: no. I forgot it was on
- # [19:14] <@davidb> ok i missed it
- # [19:14] <@hub> also strangely the meeting request didn't say which day
- # [19:14] <@davidb> odd
- # [19:22] <@firebot> shorlander@mozilla.com denied review for attachment 722247 on bug 492557.
- # [19:22] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=492557 nor, --, ---, mdeboer, ASSI, Create a keyboard shortcut HUD
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- # [20:36] <@firebot> yura.zenevich@gmail.com changed the Assignee on bug 753973 from nobody@mozilla.org to yura.zenevich@gmail.com.
- # [20:36] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=753973 nor, --, ---, yura.zenevich, NEW, [AccessFu] Make verbosity level configurable
- # [20:37] * @davidb dances
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- # [20:39] <@davidb> ok gotta shuffle
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- # [22:14] <@firebot> dbolter@mozilla.com changed the Status on bug 790094 from UNCONFIRMED to NEW.
- # [22:14] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=790094 cri, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Firefox crashes/freezes with JAWS 13.0
- # [22:15] <@davidb> mhoye: can you point the user of jaws at bug 790094 to see if similar?
- # [22:24] <icaaq> https://login.persona.org/ is not the most accessible site….
- # [22:24] * icaaq files some bugs
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- # [22:27] <@davidb> thanks
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- # [22:34] <mhoye> oh shit, gotta forward that.
- # [22:34] <@davidb> steady as she goes
- # [22:35] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com changed the Resolution on bug 850987 from --- to FIXED.
- # [22:35] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 850987 from NEW to RESOLVED.
- # [22:35] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 850987 from --- to mozilla23.
- # [22:35] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=850987 nor, --, ---, s, NEW, RenderedToContentOffset/ContentToRenderedOffset should return an offset unchanged for HTMLTextFieldA
- # [22:35] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com changed the Resolution on bug 857936 from --- to FIXED.
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- # [22:35] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=857936 nor, --, ---, surkov.alexander, NEW, ARIA columnheader/rowheader should inherit editable state
- # [22:38] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com granted in-testsuite on bug 753984.
- # [22:38] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com changed the Resolution on bug 753984 from --- to FIXED.
- # [22:38] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 753984 from NEW to RESOLVED.
- # [22:38] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 753984 from --- to mozilla23.
- # [22:38] <mhoye> davidb: Can you come to my desk for a second?
- # [22:39] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=753984 nor, --, mozilla23, yura.zenevich, RESO FIXED, [AccessFu] Make utterance order configurable
- # [22:39] <@davidb> mhoye: i'm at home
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- # [22:41] <mhoye> welp.
- # [22:41] <mhoye> OK, I'm going to send you an intro.
- # [22:42] <@davidb> ok sound good
- # [22:42] <@davidb> thanks
- # [22:43] <mhoye> is "Accessibility lead" the right thing to call you?
- # [22:44] <mhoye> TOO SLOW GONE
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- # [22:52] <@davidb> whatevs
- # [22:52] <@davidb> but thanks
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