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  1. # Session Start: Wed Apr 10 00:00:01 2013
  2. # Session Ident: #accessibility
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  30. # [04:52] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com requested needinfo from jdiggs@igalia.com on bug 860013.
  31. # [04:52] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=860013 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, navigation by words broken with orca
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  33. # [05:00] <@firebot> jdiggs@igalia.com cancelled needinfo?(jdiggs@igalia.com ) on bug 860013.
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  37. # [05:57] <@firebot> yura.zenevich@gmail.com requested needinfo from marco.zehe@google mail.com on bug 811307.
  38. # [05:57] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=811307 nor, --, ---, yura.zenevich, NEW, [AccessFu] Add mochitest for enabling
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  47. # [09:24] <@firebot> cykesiopka@hotmail.com requested review from gavin.sharp@gmail.c om for attachment 735620 on bug 448945.
  48. # [09:24] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=448945 enh, P4, Future, nobody, NEW, minimum font size should offer 32
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  53. # [09:46] <@marcoz> Morning all!
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  55. # [09:49] <@firebot> marco.zehe@googlemail.com changed the Component on bug 859781 from Disability Access to Disability Access APIs.
  56. # [09:50] <@firebot> marco.zehe@googlemail.com changed the Product on bug 859781 from Firefox to Core.
  57. # [09:50] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=859781 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, FF20 misbehaves with JAWS 11.0.1461 (screen reader)
  58. # [09:50] <icaaq> Morning!
  59. # [09:52] <@firebot> marco.zehe@googlemail.com requested needinfo from david@miradoiro.c om on bug 859781.
  60. # [10:02] <@firebot> marco.zehe@googlemail.com requested needinfo from eitan@monotonous. org on bug 811307.
  61. # [10:02] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=811307 nor, --, ---, yura.zenevich, NEW, [AccessFu] Add mochitest for enabling
  62. # [10:05] <icaaq> http://robertnyman.com/2013/04/10/geek-meet-may-2013-with-marco-zehe/
  63. # [10:14] <@marcoz> icaaq: :)
  64. # [10:15] <icaaq> marcoz: and it's a full house after 10 minutes!
  65. # [10:16] <@marcoz> Nooooo wayy! Really? Wow that's cool!
  66. # [10:28] <icaaq> marcoz: haha. this will be really awesome. so looking forward to it!
  67. # [11:30] <@firebot> david@miradoiro.com cancelled needinfo?(david@miradoiro.c om) on bug 859781.
  68. # [11:30] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=859781 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, FF20 misbehaves with JAWS 11.0.1461 (screen reader)
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  84. # [15:20] <@hub> hi marcoz
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  86. # [15:23] <@marcoz> Hi hub!
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  89. # [15:25] <@marcoz> Hi yzen! Sorry I couldn't give you a more satisfying answer on the bug re the content processes!
  90. # [15:25] <@marcoz> Hi davidb! How's the throat?
  91. # [15:26] <@davidb> marcoz: i approve of your message
  92. # [15:26] <@davidb> marcoz: what do we want to do - is there a bug #?
  93. # [15:26] <@davidb> doh
  94. # [15:26] <@davidb> my eyes glossed over the bug link in your email lol
  95. # [15:26] <yzen> marcoz: that's alright, essentially the issue i found after I was able to pass the test is that accesfu never gets detached completely and cleanly
  96. # [15:26] <@davidb> throat wasn't as evil this morning
  97. # [15:27] * tbsaunde looks at time curses and heads for the show
  98. # [15:27] <@marcoz> yzen: Yeah I ran into those weird issues, too.
  99. # [15:27] <yzen> marcoz: where I could manage to remove all observers and listeners on attach, loading the content-script multiple times would still be the issue
  100. # [15:28] <@marcoz> davidb: Still up for the 1:1 at 10?
  101. # [15:28] <@marcoz> davidb: Oh, wait, 9:30. :)
  102. # [15:28] <@davidb> yes
  103. # [15:29] <@marcoz> yzen: Would be interesting to find out *why* we load it multiple times, and if there's a way to tell them to shut themselves down, too.
  104. # [15:29] <@hub> marcoz: did you file a bug about a captcha?
  105. # [15:29] <@davidb> marcoz: 9:35 would be better for me :)
  106. # [15:29] <@marcoz> hub: Look at the bottom of my message to all. :) It's right in there.
  107. # [15:30] <@marcoz> davidb: NP!
  108. # [15:30] <@hub> oh
  109. # [15:30] <@hub> sorru
  110. # [15:30] <@hub> missed that
  111. # [15:30] <@hub> I need coffee, really
  112. # [15:30] <@davidb> bug 860214
  113. # [15:30] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=860214 maj, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Get rid of the CAPTCHA when creating new pages
  114. # [15:30] <yzen> marcoz: right, as far as i know (from mdn) there isn't a way to unload it, we load it on each enable and on events i mentioned in the bug. I suspect we could self remove the listener when it actually fires from within the content script
  115. # [15:31] <@hub> marcoz: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Accessibility/Meetings/2013-04-10
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  117. # [15:36] <@marcoz> Thanks hub!
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  122. # [15:38] <@davidb> marcoz: ready when you are
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  131. # [16:35] <@hub> logging in
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  141. # [17:03] <@hub> ok, sorry, my internet blinked
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  144. # [17:23] <@hub> marcoz: apparently it is not arbitrary to ignore a11y.
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  146. # [17:28] <tbsaunde> hub: could I talk you into helping with bug 860013? please
  147. # [17:28] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=860013 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, navigation by words broken with orca
  148. # [17:29] <@hub> tbsaunde: how can I help?
  149. # [17:33] <tbsaunde> hub: can you check what Alex wants me to look at? compare our text implementation to gedit
  150. # [17:34] <@hub> ok
  151. # [17:35] <tbsaunde> hub: particularly check how GetTextAt / Before Offset() compare probably with word boundaries
  152. # [17:36] <@hub> ok
  153. # [17:36] <tbsaunde> hub: thanks
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  157. # [18:06] <@hub> marcoz: apparently you post to all@ raised awarness in the ateam
  158. # [18:08] <@marcoz> hub: Heh yes!
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  163. # [18:17] <@davidb> marcoz: let me know how the mitchell chat goes (if it happens)
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  165. # [18:19] <@marcoz> davidb: Did you get the CC?
  166. # [18:20] <@davidb> marcoz: your reply? yes.
  167. # [18:20] <@davidb> but i thought you guys might Skype or something
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  169. # [18:21] <@davidb> hi Gijs!
  170. # [18:21] <@davidb> marcoz: PMed ya
  171. # [18:22] <Gijs> 'morning
  172. # [18:22] <@marcoz> davidb: Well, if we do, not tonight. :) I'm going off-line now for the evening, will be back fresh tomorrow. :) I'll keep you posted if and in what form the dialogue continues.
  173. # [18:22] <@davidb> thanks
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  175. # [18:23] <@hub> lizzard: good mention of etherpad
  176. # [18:24] <@davidb> where?
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  178. # [18:25] <@hub> davidb: in the bug
  179. # [18:25] <@hub> about captcha
  180. # [18:25] <@davidb> oh good
  181. # [18:26] <@hub> "can't use etherpad because of a11y, but now can't use wiki either"
  182. # [18:26] <@hub> the tl;dr version
  183. # [18:26] <@hub> to organize the a11y bug day
  184. # [18:30] <@marcoz> OK gentlemen, off I go! :)
  185. # [18:30] <@davidb> ciao
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  189. # [19:06] <richardschwerdtfeger> Is the track element supported in Firefox?
  190. # [19:06] <richardschwerdtfeger> this is wrt. HTML5 video
  191. # [19:10] <@davidb> things are landing in increments
  192. # [19:11] <@davidb> hub: do you know current status on that? ^
  193. # [19:11] * @davidb is on a call
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  196. # [19:14] <@hub> davidb: I don't know the status.
  197. # [19:14] <@davidb> ack
  198. # [19:14] <@davidb> i recall webvtt is viable
  199. # [19:14] <@davidb> so presumable enough landed
  200. # [19:15] <@hub> richardschwerdtfeger: it is still work in progress afaik
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  206. # [19:36] <richardschwerdtfeger> ok
  207. # [19:36] <richardschwerdtfeger> thanks
  208. # [19:41] <@davidb> richardschwerdtfeger: i think it has landed
  209. # [19:41] <@davidb> probably FF22 or so
  210. # [19:41] <richardschwerdtfeger> ok. Are you positive?
  211. # [19:41] <@davidb> no
  212. # [19:41] <@davidb> :)
  213. # [19:42] <@davidb> and still on a call
  214. # [19:42] <lizzard> hub: yah I thought it would be worth it to throw that in.
  215. # [19:42] <richardschwerdtfeger> I don't have a test case handy o/w I would try it out myself
  216. # [19:48] <@hub> lizzard: ehterpad is always a sore spot a11y-wise
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  218. # [20:03] <richardschwerdtfeger> looks good: http://www.leanbackplayer.com/example_subtitles.html
  219. # [20:13] <@davidb> richardschwerdtfeger: http://allthingsd.com/20130410/in-midst-of-mobile-pivot-mozilla-ceo-kovacs-to-step-down-later-this-year/
  220. # [20:14] <@davidb> big news for us
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  225. # [20:26] <richardschwerdtfeger> yeah, IBM is hip deep in Open Cloud
  226. # [20:27] <richardschwerdtfeger> sorry open stack
  227. # [20:28] <@davidb> interesting
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  237. # [21:05] <@hub> I thought that accessibility was enabled automatically in Firefox now?
  238. # [21:05] <@hub> (on Linux)
  239. # [21:05] <@davidb> hub: i have 10 minutes now
  240. # [21:05] <@davidb> or we could shift to tomorrow
  241. # [21:05] <@hub> davidb: let's do it
  242. # [21:05] <@davidb> ok my room
  243. # [21:06] <@hub> in there
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  250. # [21:29] <tbsaunde> hub: define "automatically"
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  254. # [22:16] <@hub> tbsaunde: without having to export "GNOME_ACCESSIBILITY"
  255. # [22:20] <tbsaunde> hub: that should work if accessibility is enabled for the session which you should be able to find out by pokeing dbus by hand
  256. # [22:21] <tbsaunde> if its enabled and then starting firefox doesn't turn on accessibility that's probably a bug
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  259. # [22:28] <@hub> tbsaunde: Accerciser was showing other apps but not Firefox.
  260. # [22:29] <tbsaunde> hub: ok, but that doesn't exactly tell me anything about what I asked
  261. # [22:30] <@hub> I don't know dbus at all
  262. # [22:30] <@hub> so
  263. # [22:30] <@hub> anyway
  264. # [22:30] <tbsaunde> hub: if accessibility is turned on for the session after firefox starts then firefox won't enable accessibility
  265. # [22:31] <tbsaunde> hub: its not too bad for this you just pass a bunch of crud to dbus-send which you figure out by looking at the C++ we use
  266. # [22:32] <tbsaunde> hub: any what?
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