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  1. # Session Start: Tue Apr 16 00:00:00 2013
  2. # Session Ident: #accessibility
  3. # [00:12] <@firebot> dholbert@mozilla.com cancelled review?(dholbert@mozilla.co m) for attachment 715209 on bug 242829.
  4. # [00:12] <@firebot> dholbert@mozilla.com granted feedback for attachment 715209 on bug 242829.
  5. # [00:12] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=242829 min, --, mozilla1.9alpha8, matspal, NEW, hyperlinks and form controls in a <caption> can't be tabbed to
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  14. # [00:48] <Archaeopteryx> hey, does anybody know/use the Dragon 11,5Naturally Speaking software? i have a user which has a hang with this and Firefox, where should I send him?
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  23. # [03:37] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com changed the Resolution on bug 702594 from --- to WONTFIX.
  24. # [03:37] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 702594 from NEW to RESOLVED.
  25. # [03:37] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=702594 nor, --, ---, nobody, RESO WONTFIX, map HTML 5 hgroup element to accessibility APIs
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  46. # [07:06] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com granted review for attachment 736146 on bug 809338.
  47. # [07:06] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=809338 nor, --, ---, trev.saunders, NEW, make HTML select hierarchical
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  70. # [10:31] <@marcoz> Good day all!
  71. # [10:33] <Archaeopteryx> hi marcoz. do you know/use the Dragon 11,5Naturally Speaking software? i have a user which has a hang with this and Firefox, where should I send him?
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  74. # [10:46] <@hub> hey marcoz
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  76. # [11:00] <@eeejay> marcoz, yo. happy four zero
  77. # [11:02] <Archaeopteryx> congratulations, hadn't expected you to be that...
  78. # [11:04] <@marcoz> eeejay: Archaeopteryx: Thanks guys! :)
  79. # [11:04] <@marcoz> Hi hub!
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  81. # [11:05] <@marcoz> Archaeopteryx: Hm, might be us, might be the text services implementation. I don't know or use that Dragon naturally Speaking thing, and our previous attempts at interacting with them weren't very fruitful.
  82. # [11:05] <@marcoz> Archaeopteryx: Does the hang involve Flash? If so, it's probably a case of bug 781971.
  83. # [11:05] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=781971 cri, P3, mozilla22, trev.saunders, RESO FIXED, Firefox hangs and finally crashes when using Accessible Event Watcher(AccEvent) and flash
  84. # [11:06] <Archaeopteryx> marcoz: i can forward you the mail, it's about either the address bar or search bar
  85. # [11:06] <@marcoz> Yeah, m z e h e at Mozilla. :)
  86. # [11:07] <@marcoz> Archaeopteryx:
  87. # [11:07] <Archaeopteryx> ok, thanks
  88. # [11:07] <@marcoz> Oops what smiley was that? ;)
  89. # [11:13] <@marcoz> Archaeopteryx: Yep, the second problem he's reporting is definitely bug 781971. Not sure about the other one, might be some lock-up of the text services Dragon is using. We'll have to discuss this further, before I can answer him.
  90. # [11:14] <Archaeopteryx> okay, thanks
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  102. # [13:50] <@eeejay> marcoz, have you verified the fix in bug 852955
  103. # [13:50] <@eeejay> ?
  104. # [13:51] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=852955 maj, --, mozilla23, chrislord.net, RESO FIXED, [AccessFu] Trying to activate items at top of pages brings up awesome bar or menu instead
  105. # [13:58] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org granted feedback for attachment 736260 on bug 811307.
  106. # [13:58] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org cancelled needinfo?(eitan@monotonous. org) on bug 811307.
  107. # [13:58] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=811307 nor, --, ---, yura.zenevich, NEW, [AccessFu] Add mochitest for enabling
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  109. # [14:12] <@marcoz> eeejay: I just have. Yes, it appears to be fixed by Chris's newer patch that landed.
  110. # [14:13] <@marcoz> eeejay: But a real pair of eyes would certainly not hurt if you can make the time, to see if you still see odd scrolling behavior, and if we still want your patch for the bounds, perhaps in a new bug just for that.
  111. # [14:13] <@eeejay> marcoz, great
  112. # [14:13] <@marcoz> eeejay: However, there seems to be a follow-up bug, see the dependency.
  113. # [14:13] <@eeejay> yeah
  114. # [14:14] <@firebot> marco.zehe@googlemail.com changed the Status on bug 852955 from RESOLVED to VERIFIED.
  115. # [14:14] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=852955 maj, --, mozilla23, chrislord.net, VERI FIXED, [AccessFu] Trying to activate items at top of pages brings up awesome bar or menu instead
  116. # [14:16] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org granted feedback for attachment 736262 on bug 811307.
  117. # [14:16] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=811307 nor, --, ---, yura.zenevich, NEW, [AccessFu] Add mochitest for enabling
  118. # [14:17] <@marcoz> eeejay: Bug 862049. That's why I have not yet requested approval for 22 on bug 852955.
  119. # [14:17] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=862049 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, setAccessibilityEnabled() isn't called on the UI thread in GeckoAccessibility
  120. # [14:19] <@marcoz> eeejay: What's your take on bug 861772?
  121. # [14:19] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=861772 nor, --, ---, eitan, NEW, TouchAdapter.jsm shouldn't use "mosueenter" and "mouseleave"
  122. # [14:22] <@eeejay> i don't think it is related
  123. # [14:23] <@eeejay> it is a hard problem
  124. # [14:23] <@eeejay> because android is like that
  125. # [14:31] <@marcoz> eeejay: Android, or Android a11y?
  126. # [14:32] <@eeejay> marcoz, Android a11y
  127. # [14:32] <@eeejay> marcoz, they intercept touch events when ebt is enabled, and then it is impossible to know what the user actually did
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  133. # [15:16] <@eeejay> davidb, yo
  134. # [15:17] <@davidb> heyo!
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  144. # [15:39] <@marcoz> Hi davidb!
  145. # [15:39] <@davidb> hi old man
  146. # [15:39] <@davidb> marcoz: i hope you don't mind me assigning that flash hang bug to you?
  147. # [15:40] <@davidb> consider it a birthday present!
  148. # [15:41] <@marcoz> davidb: Heh, I must admit I was very confused by that description on how to provoke a hang and what to do to get that UI. I need to see if I can parse this properly now. These MS Tools confuse the hell out of me TBH.
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  152. # [15:46] <@davidb> ah
  153. # [15:46] <@davidb> well the testplugin might be the way to go
  154. # [15:46] <@davidb> we should definitely try to have you set up for this
  155. # [15:48] <@davidb> marcoz: did you have a nice day yesterday?
  156. # [15:49] <@davidb> i hope you treat yourself.
  157. # [15:56] <@marcoz> davidb: The test plugin may be the *only* way to go, since SysInternals Process Explorer is not accessible. I just found out why I put that bug on the back burner in the first place when I re-ran that tool. There are hardly any accessible elements in that window.
  158. # [15:56] <@marcoz> davidb: My best friend and sister came over to visit, and we had a nice afternoon. :)
  159. # [15:57] <@davidb> i can't get as far enough along to freeze the plugin… ff hangs for me like it did the bug filer
  160. # [15:57] <@davidb> klotz
  161. # [15:57] <@davidb> nice :)
  162. # [16:01] <@marcoz> davidb: Even with NVDA running?
  163. # [16:01] <@marcoz> davidb: I mean instead of JAWS?
  164. # [16:01] <@davidb> i only tried jaws
  165. # [16:02] <@marcoz> davidb: Yeah OK, and bug 781971 always ended with a crash, not the hang UI. Once Firefox had crashed, the hang on JAWS or WE had been released.
  166. # [16:02] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=781971 cri, P3, mozilla22, trev.saunders, RESO FIXED, Firefox hangs and finally crashes when using Accessible Event Watcher(AccEvent) and flash
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  168. # [16:10] <@davidb> i emailed bret re my jaws 14 observations
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  170. # [16:17] <@marcoz> davidb: Superb!
  171. # [16:17] <@marcoz> Hi yzen! :)
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  174. # [16:18] <yzen> marcoz: hi!
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  176. # [16:20] <yzen> marcoz: I saw eeejay's comments for bug 811307, ill address them shortly :)
  177. # [16:20] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=811307 nor, --, ---, yura.zenevich, NEW, [AccessFu] Add mochitest for enabling
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  184. # [16:33] <@davidb> SteveF: can you remind me the contrast ratio you recommend? is it 4.5:1?
  185. # [16:33] <@davidb> also, hi
  186. # [16:36] <SteveF> i recommend? :-) its 4.5:1 for text up to 1.2 em (approx) and 1.3:1 above http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG-TECHS/G18.html
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  191. # [16:45] <@marcoz> yzen: Cool! You should then formally ask review for them instead of feedback, so once they get positive reviews, they can land.
  192. # [16:45] <@marcoz> davidb: Commented on bug 843657.
  193. # [16:45] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=843657 nor, P2, ---, marco.zehe, NEW, Verify that the Plugin Hang UI is working with screen readers
  194. # [16:46] <yzen> marcoz: will do :)
  195. # [16:46] <yzen> marcoz: should i request it from both of you as well ?
  196. # [16:47] <@marcoz> yzen: You can split if you want: Tests from me, AccessFu code from eeejay. :)
  197. # [16:47] <yzen> marcoz: sounds good
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  210. # [18:25] <@tbsaunde> n/win 47
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  218. # [19:10] <@eeejay> Gijs, welcome back :)
  219. # [19:10] <Gijs> eeejay: thanks! :)
  220. # [19:11] <@eeejay> i read your intro somewhere on the internets
  221. # [19:16] <@davidb> I met Gijs when he was 19 :)
  222. # [19:16] <@davidb> http://mindforks.blogspot.ca/2007/03/gijs-kruitbosch-and-chatzilla.html
  223. # [19:16] <Gijs> Damn, is it that long ago?
  224. # [19:16] <Gijs> Young and innocent and all that... yada yada. :)
  225. # [19:17] <@davidb> time flies
  226. # [19:17] <@eeejay> a mere child. i think i briefly met him that year too, at the boston gnome/a11y summit
  227. # [19:18] <Gijs> eeejay: yes, you did, IIRC.
  228. # [19:18] <@eeejay> i'll need to relearn how to pronounce your name :)
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  231. # [19:30] <@davidb> rhymes with ice
  232. # [19:33] <@eeejay> one syllable?
  233. # [19:38] <Gijs> Yes.
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  238. # [19:50] <Gijs> eeejay: http://www.gijsk.com/blog/2006/12/my-name-really-is-hard-for-non-native-speakers/ :)
  239. # [19:51] <@eeejay> Gijs, Thanks, now I won't avoid you if I see you in person.
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  241. # [19:53] <Gijs> :D
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  258. # [21:26] <@firebot> vd@FreeBSD.org requested review from trev.saunders@gmail .com for attachment 738132 on bug 733712.
  259. # [21:26] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=733712 cri, --, ---, vd, ASSI, Don't call atk_object_set_name
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  278. # [23:28] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=642730 min, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Keyboard shortcuts randomly stop working until window is minimized/restored.
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