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  25. # [04:41] <@firebot> jaws@mozilla.com changed the Resolution on bug 220588 from --- to DUPLICATE.
  26. # [04:41] <@firebot> jaws@mozilla.com changed the Status on bug 220588 from NEW to RESOLVED.
  27. # [04:41] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=220588 enh, --, ---, nobody, RESO DUPLICATE, Cmd-Shift-Left/Right should change tabs
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  31. # [05:54] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com requested review from bugs@pettay.fi for attachment 739404 on bug 559764.
  32. # [05:54] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=559764 nor, --, ---, surkov.alexander, NEW, make <input type="range"> accessible
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  39. # [06:29] <@tbsaunde> MatthewGlisson: /win 24
  40. # [06:37] <@firebot> roc@ocallahan.org granted review for attachment 739404 on bug 559764.
  41. # [06:37] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=559764 nor, --, ---, surkov.alexander, NEW, make <input type="range"> accessible
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  57. # [08:45] <@firebot> yura.zenevich@gmail.com requested feedback from eitan@monotonous. org for attachment 739428 on bug 811307.
  58. # [08:46] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=811307 nor, --, ---, yura.zenevich, NEW, [AccessFu] Add mochitest for enabling
  59. # [08:46] <@firebot> yura.zenevich@gmail.com requested feedback from marco.zehe@google mail.com for attachment 739429 on bug 811307.
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  120. # [14:31] <yzen> marcoz: hi
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  122. # [14:35] <@firebot> bugs@pettay.fi granted review for attachment 739404 on bug 559764.
  123. # [14:35] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=559764 nor, --, ---, surkov.alexander, NEW, make <input type="range"> accessible
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  126. # [14:50] <@marcoz> yzen: Hi!
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  128. # [14:52] <yzen> marcoz: thanks for the review, i will add the default false value for the wait flag (i was just checking for falsy value originally, so undefined would work too). Looks like that return; at the end of the function is redundant, since it returns anyways..
  129. # [14:52] * tbsaunde is now known as tbsaunde|pto
  130. # [14:58] <@marcoz> yzen: Thanks! Just wanted to make sure we're not opening up to a potential vulnerability. Or you may also call me old-school who always wants every variable to have a defined value always. ;)
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  132. # [14:58] <yzen> :) There is however a concern that I should probably address, that's why I put f?. The async tests with AccessFuTester do not run in isolation, since it just iterates over them. If one or more of them are async it will cause problems. I think it makes to add another helper function |next| or |nextTest| that the test function should call whenever we have 1 or more async tests. what do you think ?
  133. # [14:58] <yzen> makes sense*
  134. # [14:59] <yzen> all that instead of just iterating over, essentially ill make an iterator
  135. # [15:00] <@firebot> marco.zehe@googlemail.com granted review for attachment 739429 on bug 811307.
  136. # [15:00] <@firebot> marco.zehe@googlemail.com cancelled feedback?(marco.zehe@google mail.com) for attachment 739429 on bug 811307.
  137. # [15:00] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=811307 nor, --, ---, yura.zenevich, NEW, [AccessFu] Add mochitest for enabling
  138. # [15:01] <@eeejay> oh yeah..
  139. # [15:01] <@marcoz> yzen: Argh, saw that too late. Yeah you may be right about the multiple async tests. You can always re-request review if you come up with another substantial change. If you, after all, decide to go with the current approach anyway, you have my review.
  140. # [15:02] <yzen> marcoz: i will update it and re-review.
  141. # [15:02] <@marcoz> yzen: Fine!
  142. # [15:04] <@marcoz> yzen: If you're interested, you can also look at these tipps, although I think you already know all these techniques: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Mozilla/QA/Avoiding_intermittent_oranges
  143. # [15:04] <@eeejay> marcoz, did the try build ever complete?
  144. # [15:04] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org granted review for attachment 739428 on bug 811307.
  145. # [15:04] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org cancelled feedback?(eitan@monotonous. org) for attachment 739428 on bug 811307.
  146. # [15:05] <yzen> eeejay, marcoz: by the way I ran a try of my latest patches: https://tbpl.mozilla.org/?tree=Try&rev=770ede28d328
  147. # [15:06] <@eeejay> cool
  148. # [15:06] <@eeejay> hey marcoz..
  149. # [15:07] <yzen> marcoz: thanks for that page
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  152. # [15:10] <@marcoz> eeejay: Hi! I never got any confirmation sent to the bug, although I told it to. Who knows where that thing went. :(
  153. # [15:11] <yzen> marcoz: i tend to not get those from time to time :(, it actually only worked once for me
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  159. # [15:18] <@davidb> heyo
  160. # [15:22] <@eeejay> heyo davidb
  161. # [15:23] <@davidb> eeejay: hi hi. how goes?
  162. # [15:23] <@eeejay> davidb, paris gaia a11y testcamp - think about it.
  163. # [15:24] <@davidb> could be good
  164. # [15:24] <@eeejay> kaze, volunteered to help organize, there is local community that is very excited about a gaia screen reader
  165. # [15:24] <@eeejay> and there are a handful of gaia devs at that office
  166. # [15:24] <@eeejay> and marcoz gets to stay on the continent ;)
  167. # [15:25] <@davidb> sounds promising :)
  168. # [15:25] <@davidb> i like it
  169. # [15:25] <@davidb> got a time frame in mind?
  170. # [15:26] * kaze confirms
  171. # [15:26] <@eeejay> davidb, fall?
  172. # [15:26] <@davidb> not summer?
  173. # [15:26] <kaze> sorry guys, gotta leave and catch my plane, but I'm really interested in organizing this in Paris
  174. # [15:26] <@davidb> kaze: thank you!
  175. # [15:26] <@davidb> we'll talk
  176. # [15:27] <@marcoz> davidb: Hi!
  177. # [15:27] <@davidb> hi hi hi
  178. # [15:28] <@marcoz> davidb: Summer may be difficult with summer holidays and stuff. People might not be available. Esp those with school children. ;)
  179. # [15:28] <@davidb> yes but people with spouses who are teachers can get away more easily :)
  180. # [15:28] <@davidb> but also… we need to get in front of this sooner than later
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  183. # [15:32] <@marcoz> davidb: I totally agree, and also am hoping for a sooner-than-fall time slot.
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  185. # [15:34] <@eeejay> had an irl chat with kaze. they (gaia) may have a workweek on september, and he suggests that after that it may work
  186. # [15:34] <@eeejay> i think that is a good timeframe to have accessfu and some devtools mature
  187. # [15:34] <@eeejay> and speech synth
  188. # [15:37] <@marcoz> eeejay: Interesting! I just hope this doesn't collide with a talk I committed to in Berlin Sep 11-13.
  189. # [15:38] <@hub> Sept 9 is supposed to be a b2g work week from the rumors
  190. # [15:38] <@eeejay> so after that..
  191. # [15:38] <@hub> still unconfirmed though
  192. # [15:40] <@davidb> eeejay: not better to have it before their work week?
  193. # [15:41] <@eeejay> kaze suggested that it calms down a bit after
  194. # [15:41] <@marcoz> OK if it's the week after, that would work. :)
  195. # [15:41] <@davidb> i see
  196. # [15:41] <@davidb> ok
  197. # [15:41] <@eeejay> i think such an event would have an emphasis on filing bugs, not fixing everything.
  198. # [15:42] <@davidb> lets pencil it in
  199. # [15:42] <@davidb> right
  200. # [15:42] <@davidb> and education
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  202. # [15:42] <@eeejay> yeah
  203. # [15:43] <@davidb> i would be so useless without awesomebar
  204. # [15:43] <@eeejay> davidb, how does awesomebar help you?
  205. # [15:44] <@davidb> that was random. i type in two letters and it just knows what i want
  206. # [15:44] <@eeejay> oh yeah..
  207. # [15:44] <@davidb> i was reminded of something i/we need to do for web dev
  208. # [15:44] <@davidb> since web dev is like gaia
  209. # [15:44] <@davidb> marcoz: i will likely take a stab at putting this into our own prose: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Accessibility/WebDev_Recommendations
  210. # [15:45] <@davidb> unless you want first crack
  211. # [15:45] <@marcoz> davidb: No, go ahead! :)
  212. # [15:45] <@davidb> Step 1. don't use captcha ;)
  213. # [15:46] <@marcoz> Right!
  214. # [15:50] <@eeejay> thats an awesome site
  215. # [15:50] <@davidb> eeejay: which?
  216. # [15:51] <@eeejay> that contrast one
  217. # [15:51] <@davidb> yeah
  218. # [15:51] <@eeejay> i wish i could make every argument like that
  219. # [15:51] <@davidb> yep
  220. # [15:58] <@davidb> eeejay, marcoz max found the braille project interesting but was curious if there was a longer list of ideas before he commits.
  221. # [15:58] <@davidb> surkov, tbsaunde|pto ^
  222. # [15:59] <@surkov> there's a bunch of things in core
  223. # [15:59] <@davidb> surkov: do we have a write up somewhere?
  224. # [15:59] <@surkov> I don't think so
  225. # [16:01] <@davidb> eeejay: did you once suggest emscripten'ing liblouis? was that for b2g?
  226. # [16:02] <@eeejay> davidb, maybe in passing
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  229. # [16:02] <@eeejay> davidb, not 100% sure if that is the way to do it
  230. # [16:02] * @davidb nods
  231. # [16:02] <@eeejay> magnification?
  232. # [16:02] <@eeejay> he could go all the way and work with gfx and make it awesome
  233. # [16:03] <@davidb> make it low level?
  234. # [16:03] <@eeejay> yeah, it should be
  235. # [16:03] <@davidb> agreed
  236. # [16:03] <@davidb> like on mac
  237. # [16:03] <@eeejay> i need to talk to kats about that..
  238. # [16:03] <@eeejay> he is refactoring panzoomcontroller
  239. # [16:03] <@davidb> eeejay: should i call that goal "at risk"?
  240. # [16:03] <@davidb> please do
  241. # [16:04] <@eeejay> davidb, yes
  242. # [16:04] <@davidb> eeejay: or dropped?
  243. # [16:04] <@davidb> if we're gonna go low level it feels different
  244. # [16:05] <@davidb> no longer a css transform
  245. # [16:05] <@eeejay> davidb, yeah. that was never a real option
  246. # [16:05] <@eeejay> it was too slow
  247. # [16:06] <@davidb> ok
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  249. # [16:09] <@davidb> surkov: any scoped areas in core?
  250. # [16:09] <@davidb> i mean, i know we have bugs :)
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  252. # [16:11] <@surkov> davidb: well, if you want investigation then you can pick up svg, there are things to work on HTML5 stuff, you can work on new IA2 or do something from UIA
  253. # [16:11] <@davidb> surkov: not for me, for Max
  254. # [16:12] <@surkov> davidb: anyway
  255. # [16:12] <@davidb> ok
  256. # [16:15] * @davidb sends email to max
  257. # [16:18] <@davidb> eeejay: who makes the call on what goes into gone?
  258. # [16:18] <@davidb> gonk
  259. # [16:19] <@eeejay> hm
  260. # [16:19] <@eeejay> davidb, my contact is david hylands
  261. # [16:19] <@davidb> hub: you might know ^
  262. # [16:20] <@davidb> maybe faramarz or chris lee
  263. # [16:21] <@davidb> although maybe david is the influencer, who knows.
  264. # [16:22] <@hub> good question
  265. # [16:22] <@hub> I would talk to clee
  266. # [16:24] <@davidb> ok well i hung a need info on dhylands for now
  267. # [16:25] <@hub> ok
  268. # [16:25] <@hub> bug #?
  269. # [16:25] <@davidb> bug 863174
  270. # [16:25] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=863174 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Add speech synthesis libraries to Gonk
  271. # [16:26] <@hub> eeejay: eSpeak is GPLv3?
  272. # [16:27] <@eeejay> hub, yes
  273. # [16:27] <@hub> not LGPL?
  274. # [16:28] <@eeejay> no
  275. # [16:28] <@eeejay> might need to loop in legal
  276. # [16:28] <@davidb> can one of you comment in the bug?
  277. # [16:28] <@davidb> hub: PM'ed ya
  278. # [16:28] <@davidb> sekretz!
  279. # [16:28] <@eeejay> davidb, and say what?
  280. # [16:29] <@davidb> just a note/reminder to check if GPLv3 is a problem
  281. # [16:29] <@davidb> up to you
  282. # [16:29] <@davidb> if you have a better memory than me :)
  283. # [16:29] <@eeejay> oh, i didn't want to do that in bugzilla, but i guess its ok?
  284. # [16:29] <@davidb> i see
  285. # [16:30] <@davidb> eeejay: is harvey in madrid?
  286. # [16:30] <@eeejay> davidb, no
  287. # [16:31] <@davidb> i'd probably ask around
  288. # [16:31] <@davidb> irl
  289. # [16:31] <@eeejay> have to run.
  290. # [16:31] <@eeejay> but we could open a legal bug too
  291. # [16:31] <@eeejay> bbiab
  292. # [16:31] <@davidb> sure
  293. # [16:40] <@tbsaunde|pto> davidb: only list I know of is in our heads
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  295. # [16:44] <@davidb> tbsaunde|pto: aren't you on PTO?
  296. # [16:49] <@tbsaunde|pto> davidb: yes, but I'm still on irc because of channels that are !mozilal :)
  297. # [16:53] <@davidb> heh
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  306. # [18:28] <@firebot> yura.zenevich@gmail.com requested feedback from eitan@monotonous. org for attachment 739641 on bug 811307.
  307. # [18:28] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=811307 nor, --, ---, yura.zenevich, NEW, [AccessFu] Add mochitest for enabling
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