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  23. # [03:58] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com granted review for attachment 741495 on bug 865430.
  24. # [03:58] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com requested feedback from marco.zehe@googlemail.com for attachment 741495 on bug 865430.
  25. # [03:58] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=865430 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Synthesized a11y mouse events are indistinguishable from physical mouse events.
  26. # [03:59] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com changed the Assignee on bug 865430 from nobody@mozilla.org to eitan@monotonous.org.
  27. # [03:59] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com changed the Resolution on bug 865026 from --- to FIXED.
  28. # [03:59] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 865026 from NEW to RESOLVED.
  29. # [04:00] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 865026 from --- to mozilla23.
  30. # [04:00] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=865026 nor, --, mozilla23, eitan, RESO FIXED, [AccessFu] Make it possible to observe AccessFu output
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  43. # [06:10] <yzen> eeejay: hi
  44. # [06:26] <@firebot> yura.zenevich@gmail.com granted review for attachment 741510 on bug 865447.
  45. # [06:26] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=865447 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [AccessFu] Make AccessFu input scriptable
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  49. # [07:17] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 865559 filed by surkov.alexander@gmail.com.
  50. # [07:17] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=865559 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, get rid of nsAccessNodeWrap
  51. # [07:17] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com changed the Assignee on bug 865559 from nobody@mozilla.org to surkov.alexander@gmail.com.
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  53. # [07:34] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com cancelled review?(trev.saunders@gmail .com) for attachment 741312 on bug 865240.
  54. # [07:34] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com requested review from trev.saunders@gmail .com for attachment 741674 on bug 865240.
  55. # [07:34] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=865240 maj, --, ---, surkov.alexander, ASSI, fix IUnknown implementation
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  70. # [09:39] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 865588 filed by surkov.alexander@gmail.com.
  71. # [09:39] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=865588 nor, --, ---, surkov.alexander, NEW, tear off ISimpleDOMText
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  73. # [09:49] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 865591 filed by surkov.alexander@gmail.com.
  74. # [09:49] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=865591 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, visible menu item have offscreen state
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  81. # [12:20] <@firebot> josh@joshmatthews.net requested needinfo from kunalbansal.02@gm ail.com on bug 846185.
  82. # [12:20] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=846185 nor, --, ---, kunalbansal.02, NEW, get rid of nsIAccessibleProvider
  83. # [12:24] <@firebot> josh@joshmatthews.net requested needinfo from lxrv22@gmail.com on bug 429990.
  84. # [12:24] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=429990 nor, --, ---, lxrv22, NEW, check in/out arguments on NULL in MSAA/IA2 methods
  85. # [12:27] <@firebot> josh@joshmatthews.net requested needinfo from murali.sr92@yahoo .com on bug 702560.
  86. # [12:27] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=702560 nor, --, ---, murali.sr92, NEW, add a11y mochitest for HTML 5 contextmenu
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  89. # [12:53] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 865615 filed by ayg@aryeh.name.
  90. # [12:53] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=865615 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Remove Accessible::DOMNode
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  92. # [12:59] <@firebot> marco.zehe@googlemail.com granted feedback for attachment 741495 on bug 865430.
  93. # [12:59] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=865430 nor, --, ---, eitan, NEW, Synthesized a11y mouse events are indistinguishable from physical mouse events.
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  105. # [14:22] <icaaq> did you see this http://mashable.com/2013/04/24/braille-smartphone/
  106. # [14:24] <@davidb> heyo
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  108. # [14:24] <@davidb> icaaq: cool
  109. # [14:25] <@marcoz> Hi davidb!
  110. # [14:25] <@davidb> hi hi hi
  111. # [14:26] <icaaq> davidb: yeah. wonder if it can run firefoxos ;)
  112. # [14:29] <@davidb> 185 sounds like bullshit
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  114. # [14:35] <@marcoz> Morning yzen! :)
  115. # [14:36] <yzen> marcoz: morning :)
  116. # [14:37] <@marcoz> yzen: That reminds me that I wanted to ask you where you're based. :)
  117. # [14:37] <yzen> marcoz: Toronto
  118. # [14:37] <yzen> marcoz: you are in Germany , afaik
  119. # [14:38] <yzen> ?
  120. # [14:41] <yzen> marcoz: tried my best with the reviews :). Which reminds me, do you or eeejay or anyone else have some review guidelines or a checklist that you use?
  121. # [14:44] <@davidb> http://benjamin.smedbergs.us/blog/2007-04-10/the-power-of-code-review/
  122. # [14:44] <@davidb> https://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/Code_Review_FAQ
  123. # [14:45] <@davidb> http://www.gavinsharp.com/blog/2012/05/03/code-review-lightning-talk/
  124. # [14:46] <yzen> davidb: thanks :)
  125. # [14:46] <@davidb> np
  126. # [14:53] <@davidb> did we lose marcoz?
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  129. # [14:57] <yzen> looks that way
  130. # [14:58] * @davidb puts the kettle on
  131. # [14:58] <@marcoz> davidb: yzen: Nope, I was just distracted.
  132. # [14:59] <@marcoz> yzen: I'm in Germany, yes.
  133. # [14:59] <@marcoz> And those review guidelines are a good basis. I really make it depend on the type of patch, too, if I, for example, want to run the patch or tests myself, or if it's something straight-forward, just provide feedback on the style if I see something, etc.
  134. # [15:05] <@davidb> reviewers have different strengths as well… so there is an art to choosing, depending on context.
  135. # [15:06] <@marcoz> davidb: True! I'm a lousy C++ reviewer, for example. ;)
  136. # [15:07] <@davidb> I suck at details.
  137. # [15:08] <@davidb> but don't tell anyone
  138. # [15:13] <@hub> davidb: it won't leave the Internet
  139. # [15:13] <@davidb> heh. i just googled what detail oriented means and am surprised at the actual definition.
  140. # [15:14] <yzen> :
  141. # [15:14] <yzen> )
  142. # [15:14] <@davidb> "a detail oriented person is an individual who has an eye for details and making a conscious effort to understand the actual cause behind an occurrence happens to be his second nature."
  143. # [15:14] <@davidb> the second part is interesting
  144. # [15:14] <@davidb> the first part "an eye for details" is what I thought the definition was… which of course is a self referential definition
  145. # [15:15] <@davidb> i'm always trying to connect things, to capture dependencies and causes
  146. # [15:15] * @davidb shrugs
  147. # [15:16] <@davidb> yzen: so, are these your first reviews at moz?
  148. # [15:17] <@davidb> yzen: i take it you guys are heavy on block scope protection
  149. # [15:18] <@davidb> if that's what you mean by adding a block
  150. # [15:20] <@marcoz> davidb: That's what I understood. if (this) blah versus if (this) { blah }
  151. # [15:21] <@marcoz> and which I'm totaly in agreement with, by the way. I hate it that in much of our module, single-line statements in if blocks aren't wrapped in braces.
  152. # [15:21] <Gijs> :o
  153. # [15:21] <@davidb> oh is that all!?
  154. # [15:21] <@davidb> i thought he was asking for additional scoping
  155. # [15:21] <@davidb> there wasn't much patch context
  156. # [15:22] <@davidb> ah probably because he put the comment right after the if
  157. # [15:22] <@marcoz> Oh, dunno. yzen?
  158. # [15:22] <@davidb> marcoz: well you know that's me preference too
  159. # [15:22] <@davidb> marcoz: no you are right… he's just asking for an if block
  160. # [15:22] <@marcoz> davidb: I do. :)
  161. # [15:23] <@davidb> i looked at the full patch
  162. # [15:23] <yzen> davidb: sorry , stepped out , catching up
  163. # [15:23] <@davidb> np
  164. # [15:23] <@davidb> yzen: solved really.
  165. # [15:25] <yzen> davidb: yep, that's what i meant :) , only one line will be in if if there are no braces, it's hard to read too
  166. # [15:25] <yzen> especially if followed by something else right away, that is not intended to be inside the if statement
  167. # [15:26] <@davidb> yzen: hub could give you an essay
  168. # [15:28] <yzen> what's it about :) ?
  169. # [15:29] <@davidb> why braces are good
  170. # [15:30] <yzen> hah
  171. # [15:30] <yzen> reading through those links you pasted, davidb
  172. # [15:32] <yzen> one thing i feel deficient in is that i can read the changes, but sometimes, I m not as familiar with the ins and outs of it all.. so im learning as i go as well, hoping it does not impair the review itself
  173. # [15:33] <@davidb> review is a great way to learn the code
  174. # [15:34] <@hub> yzen: I'm for making braces mandatory.
  175. # [15:34] <yzen> hub: awesome :)
  176. # [15:34] <@hub> yzen: but in this team, it is not the overal opinion
  177. # [15:35] <@davidb> we are an eclectic bunch :)
  178. # [15:35] <yzen> i think i take it for granted, since i started with the good parts from the very beginning
  179. # [15:36] <yzen> by the way, i m sure you saw that, but I find this useful keeping track of things: toolness.github.io/bugzilla-dashboard/
  180. # [15:37] <@davidb> yup
  181. # [15:37] <@davidb> there is a BMO one now too
  182. # [15:37] <@davidb> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/page.cgi?id=mydashboard.html
  183. # [15:37] <yzen> nice
  184. # [15:38] <@davidb> yzen: what is a good js library for doing client side mashups?
  185. # [15:39] <yzen> using different api's and such ?
  186. # [15:41] <@davidb> yeah
  187. # [15:42] <@davidb> pulling in json from social services etc...
  188. # [15:42] <@davidb> i'd probably default to jQuery
  189. # [15:42] <yzen> i haven't used any in particular, but yahoo pipes is one that comes to mind
  190. # [15:42] <@davidb> interesting
  191. # [15:42] <@davidb> i'll look into that later
  192. # [15:43] <@davidb> wow, a sneak peek looks promising.
  193. # [15:43] <@davidb> i totally forgot about pipes.
  194. # [15:43] <yzen> davidb: but yes, mainly jquery and jsonp is what i've been playing around
  195. # [15:43] * @davidb nods
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  197. # [15:44] <yzen> brb , commuting to the office
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  205. # [16:01] <yzen> oh one more thing I was wondering , would anyone know if there's a linting tool that can handle mozilla specific js codebase ?
  206. # [16:01] <@davidb> dunno
  207. # [16:01] <@marcoz> yzen: I'm not aware of any. I used hslint.com or jslint.com in turn to do some checking in the past.
  208. # [16:02] <yzen> marcoz: would it complaint alot ?
  209. # [16:08] <@marcoz> yzen: At times. ;)
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  212. # [16:34] <@marcoz> davidb: After months, I today resurrected my ability to build locally in Windows, too. Totally changed behind the scenes, with pymake etc. But all still, or again, works. ;)
  213. # [16:34] <@davidb> excellent
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  221. # [17:32] <@eeejay> yzen, there is a linting tool i use
  222. # [17:33] <@eeejay> gjslint
  223. # [17:34] <@hub> this one is required for gaia
  224. # [17:34] <@eeejay> yeah
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  227. # [17:44] <@eeejay> yzen, i like your suggestion of not using one line conditionals. i noticed our core code is like that now too
  228. # [17:46] <yzen> eeejay: awesome, thanks!
  229. # [17:46] <@eeejay> i kind of like one liners. but it is time to grow up
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  232. # [17:52] <yzen> :)
  233. # [17:53] <yzen> eeejay: have you seen expressions like this: what_you_check_in_if && your_one_liner; im not claiming it's any more readable
  234. # [17:53] <yzen> :)
  235. # [17:54] <@eeejay> hah
  236. # [17:54] <@eeejay> python makes me like that
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  245. # [18:14] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=865449 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [AccessFu] Reintroduce desktop browser support
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  249. # [18:15] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org requested review from yura.zenevich@gmail .com for attachment 741895 on bug 865452.
  250. # [18:15] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=865452 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [AccessFu] Don't capture scripted mouse events
  251. # [18:18] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org changed the Assignee on bug 865447 from nobody@mozilla.org to eitan@monotonous.org.
  252. # [18:18] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=865447 nor, --, ---, eitan, NEW, [AccessFu] Make AccessFu input scriptable
  253. # [18:21] <@tbsaunde> davidb: "client side mash ups" are you trying to make me cry?
  254. # [18:31] <Gijs> :D
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  263. # [19:29] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=808596 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Add new ARIA role for key buttons
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  270. # [19:52] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=846185 nor, --, ---, kunalbansal.02, NEW, get rid of nsIAccessibleProvider
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  277. # [20:19] <yzen> eeejay: quick question, is it possible now to try AccessFu on desktop with patch for bug 865449 ?
  278. # [20:19] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=865449 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [AccessFu] Reintroduce desktop browser support
  279. # [20:19] <@eeejay> yzen, theoretically
  280. # [20:20] <yzen> eeejay: ill apply and try it :)
  281. # [20:20] <@eeejay> yzen, i have an extension that i am working on that gives you functionality in a dev-tools panel
  282. # [20:20] <@eeejay> yzen, so that it is easy to test ffos
  283. # [20:21] <yzen> eeejay: was that a git repo you had that i tried to make a pull request for ?
  284. # [20:21] <yzen> some time ago
  285. # [20:21] <@eeejay> yzen, don't know
  286. # [20:21] <@eeejay> yzen, oh.. no. that one is not in working condition
  287. # [20:22] <yzen> oh ok
  288. # [20:30] <yzen> eeejay: I left 1 more comment for the new patch, let me know if it's not desirable to use XPCOMUtils
  289. # [20:31] <@eeejay> yzen, i think thats overkill
  290. # [20:31] <@eeejay> yzen, i would like to start using xpcomutils lazy getters for modules though
  291. # [20:31] <yzen> eeejay: yep, that was my only concern , that you would have to load it in
  292. # [20:32] <yzen> eeejay: but then you might find things like lazy module loaders useful too
  293. # [20:34] <yzen> eeejay: i guess it's not very common that the touch adapter would be stopped and started multiple times , is it ?
  294. # [20:34] <@eeejay> yzen, yeah. that is what i mean. lazy module getters
  295. # [20:35] <@eeejay> yzen, importing in a non-global block looks bad
  296. # [20:35] <@eeejay> but we do it now for start-up speed
  297. # [20:35] <@eeejay> and i misunderstood ehsan when he pointed me at the lazy getters :)
  298. # [20:36] <@eeejay> yzen, not very common. no, but it obviously needs to work
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  302. # [21:06] <@eeejay> yzen, yeah. that could work too. i don't mind either way
  303. # [21:07] <@eeejay> yzen, deleting the getter function is a common practice as well
  304. # [21:07] <yzen> eeejay: same here, ok ill just quickly run the few tests that there are for jsat and mark it as r+
  305. # [21:08] <@eeejay> yzen, awesome, thanks
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  307. # [21:21] <@firebot> lxrv22@gmail.com cancelled needinfo?(lxrv22@gmail.com) on bug 429990.
  308. # [21:22] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=429990 nor, --, ---, lxrv22, NEW, check in/out arguments on NULL in MSAA/IA2 methods
  309. # [21:28] <@eeejay> yzen, so are those patches good to land?
  310. # [21:29] <@firebot> yura.zenevich@gmail.com granted review for attachment 741894 on bug 865449.
  311. # [21:29] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=865449 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [AccessFu] Reintroduce desktop browser support
  312. # [21:30] <@firebot> josh@joshmatthews.net changed the Assignee on bug 429990 from lxrv22@gmail.com to nobody@mozilla.org.
  313. # [21:33] <yzen> eeejay: The first one is, one sec looking and the other one
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  315. # [21:33] <yzen> eeejay: so to run it on desktop , on mac for example , i need voice over enabled right ?
  316. # [21:34] <@eeejay> yzen, no. this is independent of any desktop AT
  317. # [21:35] <@eeejay> yzen, i'll have a gaia branch on github, and an independant extension packaged by eod
  318. # [21:36] <yzen> eeejay: oh cool ill take a look
  319. # [21:38] <@firebot> yura.zenevich@gmail.com granted review for attachment 741895 on bug 865452.
  320. # [21:38] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=865452 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [AccessFu] Don't capture scripted mouse events
  321. # [21:38] <yzen> eeejay: all looks good thanks :)
  322. # [21:38] <@eeejay> yzen, awesome, thanks!
  323. # [21:39] <@firebot> ian@hixie.ch changed the Resolution on bug 702594 from WONTFIX to ---.
  324. # [21:40] <@firebot> ian@hixie.ch changed the Status on bug 702594 from RESOLVED to REOPENED.
  325. # [21:40] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=702594 nor, --, ---, nobody, REOP, map HTML 5 hgroup element to accessibility APIs
  326. # [21:41] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org changed the Assignee on bug 865449 from nobody@mozilla.org to eitan@monotonous.org.
  327. # [21:41] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=865449 nor, --, ---, eitan, NEW, [AccessFu] Reintroduce desktop browser support
  328. # [21:42] <@eeejay> lunch!
  329. # [21:42] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org changed the Assignee on bug 865452 from nobody@mozilla.org to eitan@monotonous.org.
  330. # [21:46] <yzen> eeejay: fyi, even though there aren't many all tests passed so nothing unexpected
  331. # [21:50] <@eeejay> yzen, yeah. i've been testing here too.
  332. # [21:50] <@eeejay> yzen, and tbpl would scream if something failed, thanks to you :)
  333. # [21:50] <yzen> :)
  334. # [21:51] <yzen> eeejay: is it the a11y branch you I have i can take a look at ?
  335. # [21:52] <@eeejay> yzen, no. that is ancient.
  336. # [21:52] <@eeejay> yzen, i'll push now, since you insist :) and then head to lunch
  337. # [21:53] <yzen> eeejay: no rush , i think ill only get to look at it later on tonight
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  343. # [22:46] <@firebot> matspal@gmail.com changed the Resolution on bug 320407 from --- to WORKSFORME.
  344. # [22:46] <@firebot> matspal@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 320407 from ASSIGNED to RESOLVED.
  345. # [22:46] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=320407 nor, P2, ---, matspal, RESO WORKSFORME, Tabbing backwards gets stuck with this testcase
  346. # [22:46] <@firebot> matspal@gmail.com changed the Assignee on bug 339541 from matspal@gmail.com to nobody@mozilla.org.
  347. # [22:46] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=339541 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, One letter <select> options not selectable with keyboard when typing to fast (due to the "incrementa
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