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  1. # Session Start: Fri Apr 26 00:00:00 2013
  2. # Session Ident: #accessibility
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  6. # [00:24] <yzen> eeejay: ping
  7. # [00:24] <@eeejay> yzen, pong
  8. # [00:25] <yzen> eeejay: would you know how to get a specific attribute of nsiAccessible in js ?
  9. # [00:26] <@eeejay> yzen, if you see it in the idl, it is available in js
  10. # [00:26] <yzen> oh cool
  11. # [00:28] <yzen> looks like the best thing i found is just the access to attributes with subsequent enumeration in mochitest/attributes.js
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  22. # [03:57] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com changed the Resolution on bug 865430 from --- to FIXED.
  23. # [03:57] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 865430 from NEW to RESOLVED.
  24. # [03:57] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 865430 from --- to mozilla23.
  25. # [03:57] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=865430 nor, --, mozilla23, eitan, RESO FIXED, Synthesized a11y mouse events are indistinguishable from physical mouse events.
  26. # [03:57] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com changed the Resolution on bug 865447 from --- to FIXED.
  27. # [03:57] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 865447 from NEW to RESOLVED.
  28. # [03:57] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 865447 from --- to mozilla23.
  29. # [03:57] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=865447 nor, --, mozilla23, eitan, RESO FIXED, [AccessFu] Make AccessFu input scriptable
  30. # [04:03] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com changed the Resolution on bug 864646 from --- to FIXED.
  31. # [04:03] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 864646 from NEW to RESOLVED.
  32. # [04:03] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 864646 from --- to mozilla23.
  33. # [04:03] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=864646 nor, --, mozilla23, surkov.alexander, RESO FIXED, get rid nsARIAMap struct
  34. # [04:04] <@firebot> jamie@nvaccess.org changed the Resolution on bug 812187 from --- to WORKSFORME.
  35. # [04:04] <@firebot> jamie@nvaccess.org changed the Status on bug 812187 from NEW to RESOLVED.
  36. # [04:04] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=812187 maj, --, ---, nobody, RESO WORKSFORME, Screen readers say "blank" on first word of line when navigating by word
  37. # [04:13] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com granted review for attachment 741929 on bug 808596.
  38. # [04:13] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=808596 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Add new ARIA role for key buttons
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  52. # [07:36] <@firebot> yura.zenevich@gmail.com requested feedback from eitan@monotonous. org for attachment 742196 on bug 845870.
  53. # [07:36] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=845870 nor, --, ---, yura.zenevich, NEW, [AccessFu] Trust explicitly associated names when speaking certain elements
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  60. # [08:31] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com changed the Assignee on bug 678429 from nobody@mozilla.org to surkov.alexander@gmail.com.
  61. # [08:31] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com requested review from trev.saunders@gmail .com for attachment 742208 on bug 678429.
  62. # [08:31] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 678429 from NEW to ASSIGNED.
  63. # [08:31] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=678429 nor, --, ---, surkov.alexander, ASSI, implement weak reference for accessible objects
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  66. # [09:20] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 865997 filed by surkov.alexander@gmail.com.
  67. # [09:20] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=865997 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Don't prune complex subtrees for roles usually having no children
  68. # [09:20] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com changed the Assignee on bug 865997 from nobody@mozilla.org to surkov.alexander@gmail.com.
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  84. # [11:29] <@firebot> marco.zehe@googlemail.com changed the Resolution on bug 702594 from --- to WONTFIX.
  85. # [11:29] <@firebot> marco.zehe@googlemail.com changed the Status on bug 702594 from REOPENED to RESOLVED.
  86. # [11:29] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=702594 nor, --, ---, nobody, RESO WONTFIX, map HTML 5 hgroup element to accessibility APIs
  87. # [12:33] <@firebot> marco.zehe@googlemail.com granted feedback for attachment 742196 on bug 845870.
  88. # [12:33] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=845870 nor, --, ---, yura.zenevich, NEW, [AccessFu] Trust explicitly associated names when speaking certain elements
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  91. # [12:44] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=845870 nor, --, ---, yura.zenevich, NEW, [AccessFu] Trust explicitly associated names when speaking certain elements
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  98. # [14:23] <yzen> hi marcoz
  99. # [14:43] <@marcoz> Hi yzen!
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  101. # [14:46] <yzen> so it works as you'd expect :) that's awesome , do you think the test cases are sufficient or is there anything else i can add ?
  102. # [14:48] <@marcoz> yzen: I think the test cases are good! The logic of the attribute itself is tested in other places in the test suite as well, so making sure the attribute is taken into account as soon as it is present is sufficient enough.
  103. # [14:49] <@marcoz> I was even thinking the tests might be a bit too extensive. They looked almost like a copy of the other test file that tests the utterance order setting.
  104. # [14:49] <@marcoz> (that's why I asked if some of this could be shared and would not need to be repeated.)
  105. # [14:49] <yzen> marcoz: yep they are very similar, but since im modifying both : the way the name is added to utterance and context utterance (the subtree part) i though i d keep it similar
  106. # [14:50] <yzen> but you are right ill take the commonalities into it's own file
  107. # [14:50] <@marcoz> Yeah would make it a bit more readable I think.
  108. # [14:51] <@marcoz> and keep it organised. We used to have a lot of repetition in the other mochitests, and reorganising them later became a bit of a pain, so if we can avoid this right from the beginning, that'd be good. :)
  109. # [14:52] <yzen> sounds good, so do you think it might be ready for a review granted those changes ?
  110. # [14:54] <yzen> i think there are hardly any common test cases themselves since i added a number of aria-label attributes in markup to enforce the explicit name in soma cases, but the actual test runner could be moved out into a common file
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  113. # [14:59] <@davidb> heyo
  114. # [15:04] <@marcoz> yzen: Yes, I think you can ask review for the actual code patch, and with these changes, also ask review for the test patch.
  115. # [15:04] <@marcoz> Hi davidb!
  116. # [15:04] <@davidb> hi hi
  117. # [15:04] <@davidb> marcoz: how you holding up?
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  119. # [15:06] <@marcoz> davidb: Quite OK. I managed to get another 2 hours of sleep last night, from about 4:45 to 6:45. and I just had another 20 minute power nap before returning to this channel a few minutes ago. So am quite OK. :) Thanks!
  120. # [15:06] <@davidb> man
  121. # [15:06] <@davidb> i really need 8+ hours… usually get around 7
  122. # [15:07] <@davidb> i am not terribly useful on less than 4
  123. # [15:07] <@marcoz> davidb: The problem is the weather in Hamburg right now. Temperatures jump up and down and bring almost tropical humidity in the process. Right now, they're diving again to about freezing point at night, whereas last few nights it was around 12-13 degrees plus.
  124. # [15:07] <@davidb> ah yes and likely the atmospheric pressure change
  125. # [15:07] <@davidb> that gets me every time
  126. # [15:08] <@marcoz> As I grew older, I became more succeptible to those pressure changes, too.
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  128. # [15:14] * Gijs now understands why he feels cold.
  129. # [15:14] <Gijs> thanks, marcoz!
  130. # [15:15] <@davidb> cold or old?
  131. # [15:15] <@davidb> you are NOT old
  132. # [15:16] <@marcoz> Gijs: You are a youngster by comparison! I just turned 40 last week. ;)
  133. # [15:17] <Gijs> cold
  134. # [15:17] <Gijs> I hadn't realized the weather changed by that much
  135. # [15:17] <Gijs> yesterday it was 25 degrees out and sunny
  136. # [15:17] <Gijs> warmer outside than in
  137. # [15:17] <Gijs> so I turned my thermostat down
  138. # [15:18] <Gijs> for the past two hours I'd been wondering why I was shivering
  139. # [15:18] <Gijs> after reading this, I swiped over to dashboard, and noticed we're seeing the same thing as Hamburg.
  140. # [15:18] <Gijs> (it's currently 8 degrees outside here, as far as AccuWeather is concerned)
  141. # [15:19] <Gijs> So I turned on the heating again. :)
  142. # [15:22] <@marcoz> Gijs: Yes it started raining quite heavily in Hamburg, and temperatures dropped from over 20 yesterday to around 10 today.
  143. # [15:22] <Gijs> Yeah, same here.
  144. # [15:23] <Gijs> And they said we had spring now!
  145. # [15:23] <Gijs> Pfff
  146. # [15:23] * Gijs wants to go back to California
  147. # [15:23] <Gijs> Also, wow, london@moz is spammy... :
  148. # [15:23] <fxa90id> :-)
  149. # [15:23] <fxa90id> howdy howdy?
  150. # [15:31] <@marcoz> Gijs: In what way spammy? Do they send out a lot of info?
  151. # [15:32] <Gijs> So the London office receptionist sends email every time she heads out during the day, because apparently that means the doors need to be kept locked or something
  152. # [15:33] <Gijs> And right now there was an announcement of the lunch menu for Tuesday with some context and stuff about t-shirts / goodies, and that's drawing a lot of whimsical replies.
  153. # [15:34] * Gijs misses too much context to know what's going on there.
  154. # [15:34] <Gijs> I've got London and Paris listed on phonebook as office locations so I get email for them in case they throw parties or there's something else I want to know...
  155. # [15:34] <@davidb> i find is sadly amusing that you checked the temperature via a dashboard widget instead of opening a window
  156. # [15:35] <Gijs> davidb: takes less time! Also, there's no need for my house to become even colder...
  157. # [15:35] <@davidb> yeah
  158. # [15:36] <Gijs> and I knew it was raining because of the noise earlier!
  159. # [15:36] <Gijs> Just, hadn't expected it to cool down so drastically overnight
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  162. # [15:41] <fxa90id> goodies ;>
  163. # [15:41] <fxa90id> t-shirts ? :D
  164. # [15:41] * @marcoz is fighting an internal battle whether to get a Facebook account again or not. The reluctance to support them on one hand, and the possibility of missing out on potentially important conversations on the other.
  165. # [15:44] <@davidb> marcoz: i caved.
  166. # [15:45] <@davidb> until there is a PrivacyBook I'm sort of stuck
  167. # [15:47] <@marcoz> davidb: "caved" meaning what?
  168. # [15:47] <@davidb> caved == gave in
  169. # [15:47] <@davidb> submitted
  170. # [15:47] <@davidb> accepted
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  172. # [15:47] <@marcoz> davidb: OK.
  173. # [15:48] <@davidb> marcoz: the clincher to me actually checking it was that my trainer uses it to schedule classes etc
  174. # [15:48] <@marcoz> davidb: Yeah I also get the feeling at every corner that there are things that simply no longer work without a Facebook account. Really anoying, but I guess somehow that is turning into a reality.
  175. # [15:49] <@davidb> reminds me i need to go over my privacy controls sometime
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  180. # [15:54] <darkowlzz> -_-
  181. # [15:54] <darkowlzz> Jonadabe, but why are you giving me count of it?
  182. # [15:57] <Gijs> darkowlzz: wrong channel? :)
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  185. # [16:02] <@marcoz> davidb: Just found in the German IT press that Facebook is buying Parse. https://www.parse.com/
  186. # [16:03] <@davidb> talent acquisition comes to mind
  187. # [16:05] * @marcoz nods.
  188. # [16:05] <@marcoz> davidb: And our marketing folks put out strange tweets again: http://twitter.com/firefox/status/327784629543239681
  189. # [16:05] <@marcoz> I know it's a pseudo quote, but still strangely put.
  190. # [16:06] <@davidb> i hope it isn't misunderstood
  191. # [16:06] <clown> firebot, Jonadabe?
  192. # [16:06] <@firebot> clown: Sorry, I've no idea what 'Jonadabe' might be.
  193. # [16:13] <darkowlzz> Gijs, I got this message: Jonadabe- You are visitor number 152 to visit the channel #accessibility since 26-11-2012 and number 253050 of all users that I can count.
  194. # [16:21] <Gijs> huh, odd.
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  207. # [18:15] <@firebot> yura.zenevich@gmail.com cancelled feedback?(eitan@monotonous. org) for attachment 742197 on bug 845870.
  208. # [18:15] <@firebot> yura.zenevich@gmail.com requested review from eitan@monotonous.or g for attachment 742423 on bug 845870.
  209. # [18:16] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=845870 nor, --, ---, yura.zenevich, NEW, [AccessFu] Trust explicitly associated names when speaking certain elements
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  212. # [18:34] <@eeejay> yzen, yo
  213. # [18:34] <yzen> eeejay: hi :)
  214. # [18:34] <@eeejay> yzen, yo
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  216. # [18:34] <@eeejay> yzen, there are problems with your approach. it is a really tough problem to solve
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  218. # [18:35] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org cancelled feedback?(eitan@monotonous. org) for attachment 742196 on bug 845870.
  219. # [18:35] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=845870 nor, --, ---, yura.zenevich, NEW, [AccessFu] Trust explicitly associated names when speaking certain elements
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  221. # [18:35] <yzen> eeejay: oh :( i had a feeling it might be no as easy as i thought :)
  222. # [18:36] <yzen> YES! i was going to ask about the textarea :)
  223. # [18:36] <@eeejay> yzen, yeah. but thanks to the tests you put in place, we could move forward without regressing too much
  224. # [18:36] <@eeejay> yzen, in the past every time i tweaked the behavior i broke something else
  225. # [18:38] <yzen> eeejay: i like your idea about the utils method
  226. # [18:39] <yzen> eeejay: so i have a test for a button that does not read the content if there's an aria-label, i wonder if it would actually not read garbage, but i can add this as a test case
  227. # [18:39] <yzen> eeejay: do you think there might be some sort of criteria to identify the need for accessible.value ?
  228. # [18:39] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org denied review for attachment 742423 on bug 845870.
  229. # [18:40] <@eeejay> yzen, right. and test with nesting, like my example
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  231. # [18:40] <yzen> eeejay: yep
  232. # [18:45] <yzen> eeejay: i wonder if indeed this is the case about the cell, it reads it all if there's no aria-label on it (like in utterance order tests) but does not read the whole subtree with label, it still needs to be that verbose with explicit name too ?
  233. # [18:45] <@eeejay> yzen, the hard part is the fact that the context object gives us flattened versions of the subtree when you want to sometimes not add certain descendants
  234. # [18:45] <@eeejay> yzen, yeah
  235. # [18:46] <@eeejay> yzen, i think so.
  236. # [18:46] <@eeejay> yzen, think of the name as a caption
  237. # [18:47] <yzen> eeejay: so it sounds like explicit name is quite specific , for things like buttons , anything else ? links ?
  238. # [18:49] <@eeejay> yzen, http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/accessible/src/base/RoleMap.h
  239. # [18:49] <@eeejay> every role that has eNameFromSubtreeRule
  240. # [18:49] <yzen> eeejay: nice :) , i can do that then
  241. # [18:50] <yzen> eeejay: thanks for pointing it to me
  242. # [18:51] <@eeejay> yzen, it can't be copied verbatim, some thinking needs to go in each
  243. # [18:51] <@eeejay> yzen, for example links
  244. # [18:51] <@eeejay> yzen, both the subtree AND the title should probably be read
  245. # [18:52] <@eeejay> yzen, which makes me wonder if perhaps subtrees should never be ignored
  246. # [18:52] <@eeejay> yzen, it would be much easier to implement
  247. # [18:52] <@eeejay> yzen, we should consult marco
  248. # [18:53] <yzen> should i point him to this thread in the bug ?
  249. # [18:56] <@eeejay> you could paste this conversation :)
  250. # [18:57] <yzen> k
  251. # [18:57] <@eeejay> yzen, basically if explicit-name is set, name should be included. but again, there might be edge cases..
  252. # [19:01] <@firebot> yura.zenevich@gmail.com requested needinfo from marco.zehe@google mail.com on bug 845870.
  253. # [19:01] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=845870 nor, --, ---, yura.zenevich, NEW, [AccessFu] Trust explicitly associated names when speaking certain elements
  254. # [19:06] <yzen> eeejay: if marco doesn't get to it till monday , i can take a look at something else i think in the meanwhile ?
  255. # [19:10] <yzen> eeejay: thanks
  256. # [19:10] <@eeejay> yzen, awesome
  257. # [19:12] <yzen> eeejay: or i can play around with the branch you mentioned for gaia..?
  258. # [19:12] <@eeejay> yzen, bug 858130
  259. # [19:12] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=858130 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [AccessFu] Utterances are not stripped of whitespace
  260. # [19:12] <@eeejay> yzen, yeah! that is ready
  261. # [19:13] <@eeejay> if you want to play with it
  262. # [19:13] <@eeejay> just gram the a11y-devtools branch from my github
  263. # [19:13] <@eeejay> DEBUG=1 make
  264. # [19:13] <@firebot> yura.zenevich@gmail.com changed the Assignee on bug 858130 from nobody@mozilla.org to yura.zenevich@gmail.com.
  265. # [19:13] <@eeejay> and run firefox nightly or your current build
  266. # [19:14] <yzen> :) nice thanks!
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  270. # [19:54] <@firebot> trev.saunders@gmail.com granted review for attachment 739404 on bug 559764.
  271. # [19:54] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=559764 nor, --, ---, surkov.alexander, NEW, make <input type="range"> accessible
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  281. # [21:15] <@firebot> michaljev@o2.pl requested review from trev.saunders@gmail .com for attachment 742500 on bug 789245.
  282. # [21:15] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=789245 nor, --, ---, michaljev, NEW, add TableCellAccessible::Row()
  283. # [21:19] <fxa90id> tada ! :D
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  291. # [22:21] <@davidb> tbsaunde: we had a bunch of tbird crashes related to dead mContent… do we have any plan there?
  292. # [22:22] <@davidb> example bug 857348
  293. # [22:22] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=857348 cri, --, ---, nobody, NEW, crash in mozilla::a11y::XULButtonAccessible::ContainsMenu
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  295. # [22:25] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=857344 cri, --, ---, nobody, NEW, crash in mozilla::a11y::XULTreeGridCellAccessible::NativeState
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