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- # Session Start: Tue Apr 30 00:00:00 2013
- # Session Ident: #accessibility
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- # [00:10] <@firebot> kwierso@gmail.com changed the Resolution on bug 559764 from --- to FIXED.
- # [00:11] <@firebot> kwierso@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 559764 from NEW to RESOLVED.
- # [00:11] <@firebot> kwierso@gmail.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 559764 from --- to mozilla23.
- # [00:11] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=559764 nor, --, mozilla23, surkov.alexander, RESO FIXED, make <input type="range"> accessible
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- # [00:22] <yzen> eeejay: ping
- # [00:22] <@eeejay> yzen, hi
- # [00:24] <yzen> eeejay: wondering what you would suggest re bug 858130. There are 2 approaches i guess: a) no include empties when traversing ancestors and subtree, or remove white spaces from utterance array itself..
- # [00:24] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=858130 nor, --, ---, yura.zenevich, NEW, [AccessFu] Utterances are not stripped of whitespace
- # [00:25] <@eeejay> yzen, i think the utterance should be tripped and cleaned as the last step
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- # [00:26] <yzen> eeejay: you're thinking traversal is more generic to do that ?
- # [00:26] <yzen> to be doing that
- # [00:26] <@eeejay> yzen, don't know what you mean
- # [00:27] <yzen> eeejay: i mean the only reason why you would not include white spaces when building a subtree for example is so we would not even need to try building an utterance array for those elements
- # [00:28] <@eeejay> yzen, i think that we don't want to touch the subtree or any of the utterance building process
- # [00:29] <@eeejay> yzen, we want to remove whitespace just from the complete utterance
- # [00:29] <@eeejay> should be an easy fix
- # [00:29] <yzen> eeejay: makes sense :)
- # [00:54] <@firebot> akeybl@mozilla.com denied approval-mozilla-beta for attachment 743267 on bug 865240.
- # [00:54] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=865240 maj, --, ---, surkov.alexander, ASSI, fix IUnknown implementation
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- # [01:10] <@firebot> kbrosnan@mozilla.com changed the Resolution on bug 744544 from --- to DUPLICATE.
- # [01:10] <@firebot> kbrosnan@mozilla.com changed the Status on bug 744544 from NEW to RESOLVED.
- # [01:10] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=744544 nor, --, ---, nobody, RESO DUPLICATE, YouTube Steals Keyboard Focus
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- # [02:04] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com granted review for attachment 743267 on bug 865240.
- # [02:04] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=865240 maj, --, ---, surkov.alexander, ASSI, fix IUnknown implementation
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- # [02:39] <yzen> eeejay: are you still around ?
- # [02:40] <@eeejay> yzen, heading out in a sec. whats up?
- # [02:41] <yzen> eeejay: just a quick question, so i m filtering out all white space words from utterance.. does anything need to happen with trimmable whitespace for non-empty elements ?
- # [02:42] <@eeejay> yzen, yeah. all empty nodes and trimmable whitespace should go away
- # [02:42] <yzen> eeejay: gotcha
- # [02:42] <yzen> thanks
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- # [07:38] <@firebot> yura.zenevich@gmail.com requested review from eitan@monotonous.or g for attachment 743457 on bug 845870.
- # [07:38] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=845870 nor, --, ---, yura.zenevich, NEW, [AccessFu] Trust explicitly associated names when speaking certain elements
- # [07:38] <@firebot> yura.zenevich@gmail.com requested review from eitan@monotonous.or g for attachment 743458 on bug 845870.
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- # [08:32] <@firebot> yura.zenevich@gmail.com requested review from marco.zehe@googlema il.com for attachment 743470 on bug 858130.
- # [08:32] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=858130 nor, --, ---, yura.zenevich, NEW, [AccessFu] Utterances are not stripped of whitespace
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- # [13:00] <@firebot> deletesoftware+moz@yandex.ru changed the Component on bug 866639 from Untriaged to Keyboard Navigation.
- # [13:00] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=866639 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, shortcut ctrl-j doesn't close the download-window anymore (behaves differently recently)
- # [13:09] <@firebot> marco.zehe@googlemail.com granted review for attachment 743458 on bug 845870.
- # [13:09] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=845870 nor, --, ---, yura.zenevich, NEW, [AccessFu] Trust explicitly associated names when speaking certain elements
- # [13:30] <@firebot> amirjanyan@gmail.com changed the Component on bug 867091 from Untriaged to Keyboard Navigation.
- # [13:30] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=867091 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Tabview keybindins are capturing keybinfings defined in the page
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- # [13:58] <yzen> marcoz: morning :)
- # [13:58] <yzen> or rather, afternoon :)
- # [14:07] <@marcoz> morning yzen! :) (I just came back from lunch)
- # [14:08] <yzen> marcoz: thanks for the comment, I looked over the test and it looks like the id is added on line 57 of the test
- # [14:10] <@marcoz> yzen: Let me have another look!
- # [14:10] <@marcoz> yzen: I might have overlooked it because I was thinking you were going chronological in both the array and the test code below.
- # [14:12] <yzen> marcoz: it sort of is, but I m not testing pivoting for that block so it comes in the first informal subgroup
- # [14:14] <@marcoz> yzen: All good. :)
- # [14:14] <yzen> awesome
- # [14:15] <yzen> I also wonder what you think of bug 858130, i marked you as a reviewer for it along with eeejay
- # [14:15] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=858130 nor, --, ---, yura.zenevich, NEW, [AccessFu] Utterances are not stripped of whitespace
- # [14:19] <@marcoz> yzen: I am looking at that now.
- # [14:19] <yzen> cool
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- # [14:34] <@firebot> marco.zehe@googlemail.com cancelled review?(marco.zehe@googlema il.com) for attachment 743470 on bug 858130.
- # [14:34] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=858130 nor, --, ---, yura.zenevich, NEW, [AccessFu] Utterances are not stripped of whitespace
- # [14:35] <@marcoz> yzen: Wow, what an expression in the code part of that patch! I never knew you could do this fancy stuff with JS nowadays and actually had to look this up on MDN myself. ;)
- # [14:36] <yzen> marcoz: i was worried it might be hard to parse :S, but as far as i know it's the only way to do both filter and map in one iteration
- # [14:37] <yzen> marcoz: since what we want is to filter out all-whitespace words and also trim good ones
- # [14:37] <@marcoz> yzen: This was not meant as criticism at all. I was just amazed that things like this actually work in JS. The only place I've seen "crazy" one-line expressions of this sort so far has been C or C++. :)
- # [14:38] <yzen> marcoz: hah :) , ya i think this particular syntax was inspired by python or haskel
- # [14:41] <@marcoz> yzen: Thanks for teaching me something new today! :)
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- # [14:43] <yzen> marcoz: :) np
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- # [14:53] <@davidb> heyo
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- # [14:55] <@firebot> emorley@mozilla.com changed the Resolution on bug 865240 from --- to FIXED.
- # [14:55] <@firebot> emorley@mozilla.com changed the Status on bug 865240 from ASSIGNED to RESOLVED.
- # [14:55] <@firebot> emorley@mozilla.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 865240 from --- to mozilla23.
- # [14:55] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=865240 maj, --, mozilla23, surkov.alexander, RESO FIXED, fix IUnknown implementation
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- # [14:58] <@firebot> emorley@mozilla.com changed the Resolution on bug 808596 from --- to FIXED.
- # [14:58] <@firebot> emorley@mozilla.com changed the Status on bug 808596 from NEW to RESOLVED.
- # [14:58] <@firebot> emorley@mozilla.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 808596 from --- to mozilla23.
- # [14:59] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=808596 nor, --, mozilla23, eitan, RESO FIXED, Add new ARIA role for key buttons
- # [14:59] <@firebot> emorley@mozilla.com changed the Resolution on bug 866862 from --- to FIXED.
- # [14:59] <@firebot> emorley@mozilla.com changed the Status on bug 866862 from NEW to RESOLVED.
- # [14:59] <@firebot> emorley@mozilla.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 866862 from --- to mozilla23.
- # [14:59] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=866862 nor, --, mozilla23, eitan, RESO FIXED, [AccessFu] "click" events are not blocked in desktop AccessFu
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- # [15:05] <@marcoz> Wow, lots of good stuff resolved!
- # [15:05] <@marcoz> Hi davidb!
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- # [15:05] <@davidb> hi marcoz i just read http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ChangeProposals/hgroup
- # [15:06] <@davidb> to get background on steve's concerns with hgroup
- # [15:09] <@firebot> dbolter@mozilla.com changed the Assignee on bug 343205 from pilgrim@gmail.com to nobody@mozilla.org.
- # [15:09] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=343205 nor, --, Firefox 3, nobody, NEW, Firefox high contrast theme bugs
- # [15:11] <@marcoz> davidb: Reading.
- # [15:11] <@marcoz> In the meantime, this made me laugh out loud: http://www.theverge.com/2013/4/30/4285418/blackberry-thorsten-heins-says-tablets-not-a-good-business-model
- # [15:12] <@davidb> hehe
- # [15:17] <Gijs> It's interesting because futuristic things about "we will be doing X Y years from now" have sort of come true
- # [15:17] <Gijs> but the only technology I can think of whose demise was reasonably successfully predicted was floppy disks.
- # [15:17] <Gijs> And those only died after decades of use
- # [15:18] <Gijs> people are still using desktops and laptops despite capable phones and tablets
- # [15:18] <Gijs> I bet that in 5 years we have something even cooler than tablets
- # [15:18] <Gijs> but tablets probably won't die for a while
- # [15:18] <@marcoz> davidb: That wiki page is an excellent summary of why we should keep bug 702594 closed.
- # [15:18] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=702594 nor, --, ---, nobody, RESO WONTFIX, map HTML 5 hgroup element to accessibility APIs
- # [15:19] <Gijs> (sorry, just musing because part of me thought that he might have a point...)
- # [15:19] * Gijs will go back to fighting SVG paths now
- # [15:19] <@davidb> marcoz: ok!
- # [15:19] <@davidb> Gijs: we'll all be wearing google underwear eventually
- # [15:20] <@davidb> err i mean glasses
- # [15:20] <Gijs> I damn sure hope not.
- # [15:20] <@marcoz> Gijs: Well, I believe he is completely off the mark with tablets. He did the right thing with RIM when he let it refocus on phones, but that's due to their general struggle with importance in the market over-all.
- # [15:20] <@davidb> lol
- # [15:20] <Gijs> davidb: freudian slip, eh?
- # [15:20] <@davidb> ha!
- # [15:20] <@marcoz> He draws the wrong conclusions. Both Apple and the Android market show the exact opposite trend.
- # [15:20] <Gijs> marcoz: well yeah, there is that as far as their own tablets are concerned.
- # [15:21] <Gijs> marcoz: but 5 years is a long time for exponential trends to continue
- # [15:21] <Gijs> I mean, it's just like we're not currently spending half our FxOS effort on making it work on tablet-like devices.
- # [15:21] <Gijs> we need to stay focused
- # [15:21] <Gijs> and so does BB
- # [15:21] <@marcoz> Gijs: Agreed. I don't think even Apple can predict what the market will look like in five years. I guess they never expected the initial iPad to take off like it did. :)
- # [15:21] <Gijs> expected, probably not. Hoped? Definitely. :)
- # [15:22] <Gijs> Then again, they expected lots of other stuff to take off that never did.
- # [15:22] <Gijs> (*cough* Ping *cough*)
- # [15:22] <@marcoz> Gijs: I agree w/staying focused.
- # [15:23] <SteveF> marcoz: glad you think so on hgroup and thanks for reading: both you and dave
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- # [15:26] <SteveF> Gijs:hi
- # [15:27] <SteveF> Gijs: what are you up to?
- # [15:28] <Gijs> SteveF: working for Mozilla. More specifically, fighting SVG :)
- # [15:28] <Gijs> (for desktop browser chrome issues, not as in spec/core work)
- # [15:28] <Gijs> been a while! :)
- # [15:28] <SteveF> excellent! when did you start there?
- # [15:28] <Gijs> Are you still at TPG? :)
- # [15:28] <Gijs> Tomorrow it'll be 1 month.
- # [15:28] <Gijs> So not too long ago.
- # [15:28] <SteveF> yeah no one else will have me :-)
- # [15:29] <@davidb> pfffft!
- # [15:29] <SteveF> are you doing acc related stuff or just like the irc company?
- # [15:29] <Gijs> I doubt that...
- # [15:29] <Gijs> I like the IRC company and sometimes ask pertinent questions. ;)
- # [15:29] <Gijs> so far davidb and marcoz have graciously let me lurk/troll here :)
- # [15:30] <SteveF> ok so no other company would support me doing so much community work
- # [15:38] <@marcoz> Gijs: You're always welcome here! :) You proto-typed a web-based Chat/social client with ChatZilla that is being quoted whenever the question of instant messaging on the web comes up. :)
- # [15:39] <@marcoz> SteveF: I decided to put a (hopefully final) comment into bug 702594 to explain why I closed the bug again.
- # [15:39] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=702594 nor, --, ---, nobody, RESO WONTFIX, map HTML 5 hgroup element to accessibility APIs
- # [15:39] <Gijs> marcoz: the web-based one was Peter Thiessen's! ;)
- # [15:39] <SteveF> marco: saw it, good luck
- # [15:39] <SteveF> marcoz: saw it good luck
- # [15:40] <@marcoz> Gijs: Yeah I know, but with ChatZilla, you made it work nicely within the extension, and stuff like support.mozilla.org chat learned from that example. And the Thunderbird instant messaging feature did, too.
- # [15:40] <Gijs> cool cool :)
- # [15:45] <@davidb> Gijs: you landed my first patch in gecko
- # [15:45] <Gijs> wait what?
- # [15:45] * Gijs did not know/remember that.
- # [15:46] <@davidb> Feb 8 2007
- # [15:47] <@davidb> you forgot to credit me :)
- # [15:47] <Gijs> :')
- # [15:47] <Gijs> sorry!
- # [15:47] <@davidb> i added GetCellValue to nsITreeView
- # [15:47] <@davidb> as part of making thunderbird status indicators accessible
- # [15:47] <@davidb> np!
- # [15:50] <@marcoz> Heh, back in the wild CVS days.
- # [15:53] <Gijs> yeah... we didn't have qimport then, is my excuse.
- # [15:53] <@marcoz> *chuckles*
- # [15:53] <@davidb> i don't think people were generally concerned about credit during commits back then… i only mention it in case you went and searched for my name
- # [15:55] <@marcoz> davidb: Right, the committer was blamed in any case. Remember those Tinderbox e-mails? "You're on the hook, and if the tree burns, we'll whip your ass!" :D
- # [15:55] <@davidb> yes! :)
- # [15:58] <@firebot> yura.zenevich@gmail.com cancelled review?(eitan@monotonous.or g) for attachment 743470 on bug 858130.
- # [15:58] <@firebot> yura.zenevich@gmail.com requested review from marco.zehe@googlema il.com for attachment 743596 on bug 858130.
- # [15:58] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=858130 nor, --, ---, yura.zenevich, NEW, [AccessFu] Utterances are not stripped of whitespace
- # [15:59] <yzen> marcoz: got the patch updated as your requested :)
- # [16:02] <Gijs> marcoz: I'm still on the current CVS hook, I was poking around bonsai the other day and noticed... :)
- # [16:06] <@marcoz> Gijs: Noooooooo! *laughs* I don't think there have been any check-ins to CVS in what? Two years? Three? don't know when we EOL'd Firefox and Thunderbird 3.0.
- # [16:06] <@marcoz> yzen: Looking.
- # [16:07] <Gijs> marcoz: http://bonsai.mozilla.org/toplevel.cgi
- # [16:07] <Gijs> marcoz: you're on there, too ;)
- # [16:11] <@firebot> marco.zehe@googlemail.com granted review for attachment 743596 on bug 858130.
- # [16:11] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=858130 nor, --, ---, yura.zenevich, NEW, [AccessFu] Utterances are not stripped of whitespace
- # [16:12] <@marcoz> Gijs: Can't say I'm really bothered by that. ;)
- # [16:12] <@tbsaunde> marcoz: you really think what the w3c validator accepts is more importnat than what gecko does? (I really shouldn't ask I don't care about the issue itself)
- # [16:12] <Gijs> :)
- # [16:12] <yzen> marcoz: thanks:)
- # [16:12] <@marcoz> Gijs: As a matter of fact, I'm surprised these machines are still running!
- # [16:13] <Gijs> we need bonsai for CVS archaeology, I think
- # [16:13] <@tbsaunde> marcoz: cvs logs are still useful for history, and afaik comm-central only switch to hg last summer?
- # [16:14] <@tbsaunde> oh, and mspr and nss only switched a month ago?
- # [16:14] <@marcoz> tbsaunde: The point is that we never supported this particular element in the first place. And now that it's officially dropped from the spec the validators run against, and which is also what undoubtedly WCAG docs refer to, there's no point in adding support for it now.
- # [16:15] <@tbsaunde> marcoz: oh? grepping seems to find stuff in the tree related to it
- # [16:16] <@marcoz> tbsaunde: Besides, we still don't support the HTML5 outline algorithm correctly anyway yet, so hgroup wouldn't make any difference anyway.
- # [16:16] <@marcoz> tbsaunde: "We" being the a11y module.
- # [16:17] <@davidb> i think the cvs history was rolled up into a git repo
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- # [16:22] <@tbsaunde> davidb: there's that too, but cvs is still around and some people prefer it I think
- # [16:23] * @davidb shrugs
- # [16:27] <icaaq> marcoz: could you please try out the new firefox os page :) http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/privacy/policies/firefox-os/
- # [16:28] <icaaq> it's not optimal IMHO
- # [16:30] <@marcoz> icaaq: What do you think is not optimal? The "Learn more" links expand the content right where it should be. The form works fine. The headings are OK.
- # [16:33] <icaaq> marcoz: if you click the privacy policy link
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- # [16:36] <icaaq> the focus should be moved to that content when clicked
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- # [16:43] <@davidb> icaaq: how do i get rid of the privacy policy?
- # [16:43] <@davidb> ah the home icon
- # [16:43] <icaaq> marcoz: hmm also the keyboard navigation is screwed.. hmm
- # [16:44] <icaaq> davidb: yes
- # [16:44] <@davidb> man designers are bored
- # [16:44] <icaaq> heh
- # [16:44] <icaaq> ok, will file some bugs
- # [16:44] <@davidb> ty
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- # [16:58] <@marcoz> icaaq: Yeah, some of these keyboard nav bugs are really hidden from me by my screen readers.
- # [16:59] <icaaq> icaaq: yeah, i understand.
- # [16:59] <icaaq> marcoz: ^
- # [17:01] <@marcoz> icaaq: Hehe, according to the URL put in the awesome bar, clicking the "Privacy policy" link just takes me to #top, which is where I am in anyway AFAICT.
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- # [17:35] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com cancelled review?(trev.saunders@gmail .com) for attachment 740170 on bug 864224.
- # [17:35] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com requested review from trev.saunders@gmail .com for attachment 743654 on bug 864224.
- # [17:35] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=864224 nor, --, ---, surkov.alexander, ASSI, Support nested ARIA listitems structured by role='group'
- # [17:38] <@davidb> maxli, tbsaunde a bunch of us are heading for dim sim for lunch in about 15 minutes. i'm joining since i need to go to minh chau for glasses after anyways.
- # [17:38] <@davidb> so anyways, dim sum is an option.
- # [17:38] <@tbsaunde> davidb: k, not terribly interested but maybe
- # [17:38] <maxli> okay sure
- # [17:38] <@tbsaunde> how long does it take?
- # [17:39] <@davidb> apparently it can take a while
- # [17:39] <@davidb> clown: the glasses appointment will likely make me later for aapi meeting
- # [17:40] <@davidb> :/
- # [17:40] <@davidb> but i can do async actions
- # [17:41] <clown> davidb, okay. I'll be sending around the announcement later today. I'll see then what your actions/issues are.
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- # [17:41] <@davidb> ta
- # [17:41] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org granted review for attachment 743596 on bug 858130.
- # [17:41] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=858130 nor, --, ---, yura.zenevich, NEW, [AccessFu] Utterances are not stripped of whitespace
- # [17:46] <@eeejay> damn, i missed marco?
- # [17:46] <@davidb> eeejay: you snooze you lose
- # [17:47] <@eeejay> yeah
- # [17:47] <@davidb> i think he'll be back
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- # [18:10] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org denied review for attachment 743457 on bug 845870.
- # [18:10] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=845870 nor, --, ---, yura.zenevich, NEW, [AccessFu] Trust explicitly associated names when speaking certain elements
- # [18:14] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org granted review for attachment 743458 on bug 845870.
- # [18:17] <@eeejay> yzen, if you want to be edgy you could do !!(JSON.parse())
- # [18:18] <yzen> eeejay: :)
- # [18:18] <@eeejay> yzen, sorry for not communicating well before this patch
- # [18:18] <yzen> eeejay: np at all, i think ill just check the string , it will be more readable as well, imho
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- # [19:19] <@davidb> tbsaunde: dim sum was quite a trek
- # [19:20] <@davidb> eeejay: by lossless mag did you mean redrawing text ourselves vs raw mag?
- # [19:20] <@davidb> trying to fill out my notes
- # [19:24] <@eeejay> davidb, yeah. i mean content zoom with no reflow
- # [19:25] <@davidb> eeejay: oh ok
- # [19:26] <@davidb> eeejay: perhaps i should shop that to gfx manager for Q3
- # [19:26] <@eeejay> davidb, sounds great
- # [19:26] <@davidb> eeejay: would you be willing to be on the hook to collab with Ux on it?
- # [19:27] <@eeejay> davidb, of course
- # [19:27] <@davidb> alrighty
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- # [19:40] <@tbsaunde> davidb: I should try it some time, but indian was pretty goodd
- # [19:40] <@davidb> good to know
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- # [20:27] <yzen> eeejay: ping
- # [20:29] <@eeejay> yzen, yo
- # [20:32] <yzen> eeejay: a while ago davidb mentioned that you have or might know how to load a c++ module using ctypes? i don't mean a library like libc, but rather something at arbitrary path
- # [20:32] <yzen> ?
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- # [21:03] <@eeejay> yzen, a c library
- # [21:03] <yzen> yes
- # [21:04] <@eeejay> yzen, i don't think a c++ library
- # [21:04] <yzen> oh sorry yes i meant c
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- # [21:08] <@eeejay> yzen, google js ctypes
- # [21:08] * @eeejay lunch
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- # [23:30] <Boriss> is marco zehe in this channel at the moment? not sure of his handle
- # [23:31] <@hub> Boriss: it is night time for him
- # [23:31] <@hub> Boriss: he is in Hamburg
- # [23:31] <@hub> Germany
- # [23:31] <Boriss> ah, i forgot. fair enough. in that case, is anyone around who's very familiar with screenreaders?
- # [23:31] <@hub> marcoz is his nickname, when he is online
- # [23:31] <Boriss> thanks!
- # [23:31] <@hub> eeejay, tbsaunde, davidb (when he is here)
- # [23:32] <Boriss> Well, I'll ask my question and see if any of those people (or someone else) would like to weigh in.
- # [23:32] <@hub> and surkov
- # [23:34] <Boriss> I'm looking at bug 854848, which was filed to support longdesc in firefox. Honestly, I've been reviewing the specs and information, and I'm very skeptical that real value is created by supporting longdesc, particularly given what will be its inconsistent (and likely rare) use, both current and future, which seems to provide very little real benefit to users. After all, it's not something users with screenreaders could expect
- # [23:34] <Boriss> any given site to have implemented and not something any given site could expect users to be familiar with (from my comment 39 in that bug). but, before closing it, i wanted to check with someone more familiar with screenreaders just to make sure there wasn't something very important i'm missing here that makes the way longdesc is implemented superior to other kinds of descriptions of images
- # [23:34] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=854848 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Support the longdesc attribute
- # [23:35] <Boriss> the w3 doc is here if you'd like more context on it https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/html-proposals/raw-file/753af00ced01/longdesc1/longdesc.html
- # [23:36] <Boriss> if people here don't have a strong opinion, and after a decade of not supporting this i'm imagining that's likely, that answers my question
- # [23:44] <@tbsaunde> Boriss: I certainly don't care, and would tendd to agree with you though I was taking more of the let the bug go off into oblivian rather than actually close to avoid getting attacked
- # [23:44] <Boriss> hehe, tbsaunde, you are wise
- # [23:44] <@tbsaunde> but I don't speak for davidb or Marcoz
- # [23:45] <Boriss> i may ping marco tomorrow anyway, but yeah… there's really no hurry on this bug. i mean, the first time it was filed, the bug number had 4 digits, which should indicate how much we burningly need this right now
- # [23:46] <@tbsaunde> agreed :)
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