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  1. # Session Start: Tue Apr 30 00:00:00 2013
  2. # Session Ident: #accessibility
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  4. # [00:10] <@firebot> kwierso@gmail.com changed the Resolution on bug 559764 from --- to FIXED.
  5. # [00:11] <@firebot> kwierso@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 559764 from NEW to RESOLVED.
  6. # [00:11] <@firebot> kwierso@gmail.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 559764 from --- to mozilla23.
  7. # [00:11] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=559764 nor, --, mozilla23, surkov.alexander, RESO FIXED, make <input type="range"> accessible
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  9. # [00:22] <yzen> eeejay: ping
  10. # [00:22] <@eeejay> yzen, hi
  11. # [00:24] <yzen> eeejay: wondering what you would suggest re bug 858130. There are 2 approaches i guess: a) no include empties when traversing ancestors and subtree, or remove white spaces from utterance array itself..
  12. # [00:24] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=858130 nor, --, ---, yura.zenevich, NEW, [AccessFu] Utterances are not stripped of whitespace
  13. # [00:25] <@eeejay> yzen, i think the utterance should be tripped and cleaned as the last step
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  15. # [00:26] <yzen> eeejay: you're thinking traversal is more generic to do that ?
  16. # [00:26] <yzen> to be doing that
  17. # [00:26] <@eeejay> yzen, don't know what you mean
  18. # [00:27] <yzen> eeejay: i mean the only reason why you would not include white spaces when building a subtree for example is so we would not even need to try building an utterance array for those elements
  19. # [00:28] <@eeejay> yzen, i think that we don't want to touch the subtree or any of the utterance building process
  20. # [00:29] <@eeejay> yzen, we want to remove whitespace just from the complete utterance
  21. # [00:29] <@eeejay> should be an easy fix
  22. # [00:29] <yzen> eeejay: makes sense :)
  23. # [00:54] <@firebot> akeybl@mozilla.com denied approval-mozilla-beta for attachment 743267 on bug 865240.
  24. # [00:54] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=865240 maj, --, ---, surkov.alexander, ASSI, fix IUnknown implementation
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  26. # [01:10] <@firebot> kbrosnan@mozilla.com changed the Resolution on bug 744544 from --- to DUPLICATE.
  27. # [01:10] <@firebot> kbrosnan@mozilla.com changed the Status on bug 744544 from NEW to RESOLVED.
  28. # [01:10] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=744544 nor, --, ---, nobody, RESO DUPLICATE, YouTube Steals Keyboard Focus
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  31. # [02:04] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com granted review for attachment 743267 on bug 865240.
  32. # [02:04] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=865240 maj, --, ---, surkov.alexander, ASSI, fix IUnknown implementation
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  36. # [02:39] <yzen> eeejay: are you still around ?
  37. # [02:40] <@eeejay> yzen, heading out in a sec. whats up?
  38. # [02:41] <yzen> eeejay: just a quick question, so i m filtering out all white space words from utterance.. does anything need to happen with trimmable whitespace for non-empty elements ?
  39. # [02:42] <@eeejay> yzen, yeah. all empty nodes and trimmable whitespace should go away
  40. # [02:42] <yzen> eeejay: gotcha
  41. # [02:42] <yzen> thanks
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  62. # [07:38] <@firebot> yura.zenevich@gmail.com requested review from eitan@monotonous.or g for attachment 743457 on bug 845870.
  63. # [07:38] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=845870 nor, --, ---, yura.zenevich, NEW, [AccessFu] Trust explicitly associated names when speaking certain elements
  64. # [07:38] <@firebot> yura.zenevich@gmail.com requested review from eitan@monotonous.or g for attachment 743458 on bug 845870.
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  70. # [08:32] <@firebot> yura.zenevich@gmail.com requested review from marco.zehe@googlema il.com for attachment 743470 on bug 858130.
  71. # [08:32] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=858130 nor, --, ---, yura.zenevich, NEW, [AccessFu] Utterances are not stripped of whitespace
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  83. # [13:00] <@firebot> deletesoftware+moz@yandex.ru changed the Component on bug 866639 from Untriaged to Keyboard Navigation.
  84. # [13:00] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=866639 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, shortcut ctrl-j doesn't close the download-window anymore (behaves differently recently)
  85. # [13:09] <@firebot> marco.zehe@googlemail.com granted review for attachment 743458 on bug 845870.
  86. # [13:09] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=845870 nor, --, ---, yura.zenevich, NEW, [AccessFu] Trust explicitly associated names when speaking certain elements
  87. # [13:30] <@firebot> amirjanyan@gmail.com changed the Component on bug 867091 from Untriaged to Keyboard Navigation.
  88. # [13:30] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=867091 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Tabview keybindins are capturing keybinfings defined in the page
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  97. # [13:58] <yzen> marcoz: morning :)
  98. # [13:58] <yzen> or rather, afternoon :)
  99. # [14:07] <@marcoz> morning yzen! :) (I just came back from lunch)
  100. # [14:08] <yzen> marcoz: thanks for the comment, I looked over the test and it looks like the id is added on line 57 of the test
  101. # [14:10] <@marcoz> yzen: Let me have another look!
  102. # [14:10] <@marcoz> yzen: I might have overlooked it because I was thinking you were going chronological in both the array and the test code below.
  103. # [14:12] <yzen> marcoz: it sort of is, but I m not testing pivoting for that block so it comes in the first informal subgroup
  104. # [14:14] <@marcoz> yzen: All good. :)
  105. # [14:14] <yzen> awesome
  106. # [14:15] <yzen> I also wonder what you think of bug 858130, i marked you as a reviewer for it along with eeejay
  107. # [14:15] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=858130 nor, --, ---, yura.zenevich, NEW, [AccessFu] Utterances are not stripped of whitespace
  108. # [14:19] <@marcoz> yzen: I am looking at that now.
  109. # [14:19] <yzen> cool
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  112. # [14:34] <@firebot> marco.zehe@googlemail.com cancelled review?(marco.zehe@googlema il.com) for attachment 743470 on bug 858130.
  113. # [14:34] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=858130 nor, --, ---, yura.zenevich, NEW, [AccessFu] Utterances are not stripped of whitespace
  114. # [14:35] <@marcoz> yzen: Wow, what an expression in the code part of that patch! I never knew you could do this fancy stuff with JS nowadays and actually had to look this up on MDN myself. ;)
  115. # [14:36] <yzen> marcoz: i was worried it might be hard to parse :S, but as far as i know it's the only way to do both filter and map in one iteration
  116. # [14:37] <yzen> marcoz: since what we want is to filter out all-whitespace words and also trim good ones
  117. # [14:37] <@marcoz> yzen: This was not meant as criticism at all. I was just amazed that things like this actually work in JS. The only place I've seen "crazy" one-line expressions of this sort so far has been C or C++. :)
  118. # [14:38] <yzen> marcoz: hah :) , ya i think this particular syntax was inspired by python or haskel
  119. # [14:41] <@marcoz> yzen: Thanks for teaching me something new today! :)
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  121. # [14:43] <yzen> marcoz: :) np
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  124. # [14:53] <@davidb> heyo
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  127. # [14:55] <@firebot> emorley@mozilla.com changed the Resolution on bug 865240 from --- to FIXED.
  128. # [14:55] <@firebot> emorley@mozilla.com changed the Status on bug 865240 from ASSIGNED to RESOLVED.
  129. # [14:55] <@firebot> emorley@mozilla.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 865240 from --- to mozilla23.
  130. # [14:55] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=865240 maj, --, mozilla23, surkov.alexander, RESO FIXED, fix IUnknown implementation
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  133. # [14:58] <@firebot> emorley@mozilla.com changed the Resolution on bug 808596 from --- to FIXED.
  134. # [14:58] <@firebot> emorley@mozilla.com changed the Status on bug 808596 from NEW to RESOLVED.
  135. # [14:58] <@firebot> emorley@mozilla.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 808596 from --- to mozilla23.
  136. # [14:59] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=808596 nor, --, mozilla23, eitan, RESO FIXED, Add new ARIA role for key buttons
  137. # [14:59] <@firebot> emorley@mozilla.com changed the Resolution on bug 866862 from --- to FIXED.
  138. # [14:59] <@firebot> emorley@mozilla.com changed the Status on bug 866862 from NEW to RESOLVED.
  139. # [14:59] <@firebot> emorley@mozilla.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 866862 from --- to mozilla23.
  140. # [14:59] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=866862 nor, --, mozilla23, eitan, RESO FIXED, [AccessFu] "click" events are not blocked in desktop AccessFu
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  142. # [15:05] <@marcoz> Wow, lots of good stuff resolved!
  143. # [15:05] <@marcoz> Hi davidb!
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  145. # [15:05] <@davidb> hi marcoz i just read http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ChangeProposals/hgroup
  146. # [15:06] <@davidb> to get background on steve's concerns with hgroup
  147. # [15:09] <@firebot> dbolter@mozilla.com changed the Assignee on bug 343205 from pilgrim@gmail.com to nobody@mozilla.org.
  148. # [15:09] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=343205 nor, --, Firefox 3, nobody, NEW, Firefox high contrast theme bugs
  149. # [15:11] <@marcoz> davidb: Reading.
  150. # [15:11] <@marcoz> In the meantime, this made me laugh out loud: http://www.theverge.com/2013/4/30/4285418/blackberry-thorsten-heins-says-tablets-not-a-good-business-model
  151. # [15:12] <@davidb> hehe
  152. # [15:17] <Gijs> It's interesting because futuristic things about "we will be doing X Y years from now" have sort of come true
  153. # [15:17] <Gijs> but the only technology I can think of whose demise was reasonably successfully predicted was floppy disks.
  154. # [15:17] <Gijs> And those only died after decades of use
  155. # [15:18] <Gijs> people are still using desktops and laptops despite capable phones and tablets
  156. # [15:18] <Gijs> I bet that in 5 years we have something even cooler than tablets
  157. # [15:18] <Gijs> but tablets probably won't die for a while
  158. # [15:18] <@marcoz> davidb: That wiki page is an excellent summary of why we should keep bug 702594 closed.
  159. # [15:18] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=702594 nor, --, ---, nobody, RESO WONTFIX, map HTML 5 hgroup element to accessibility APIs
  160. # [15:19] <Gijs> (sorry, just musing because part of me thought that he might have a point...)
  161. # [15:19] * Gijs will go back to fighting SVG paths now
  162. # [15:19] <@davidb> marcoz: ok!
  163. # [15:19] <@davidb> Gijs: we'll all be wearing google underwear eventually
  164. # [15:20] <@davidb> err i mean glasses
  165. # [15:20] <Gijs> I damn sure hope not.
  166. # [15:20] <@marcoz> Gijs: Well, I believe he is completely off the mark with tablets. He did the right thing with RIM when he let it refocus on phones, but that's due to their general struggle with importance in the market over-all.
  167. # [15:20] <@davidb> lol
  168. # [15:20] <Gijs> davidb: freudian slip, eh?
  169. # [15:20] <@davidb> ha!
  170. # [15:20] <@marcoz> He draws the wrong conclusions. Both Apple and the Android market show the exact opposite trend.
  171. # [15:20] <Gijs> marcoz: well yeah, there is that as far as their own tablets are concerned.
  172. # [15:21] <Gijs> marcoz: but 5 years is a long time for exponential trends to continue
  173. # [15:21] <Gijs> I mean, it's just like we're not currently spending half our FxOS effort on making it work on tablet-like devices.
  174. # [15:21] <Gijs> we need to stay focused
  175. # [15:21] <Gijs> and so does BB
  176. # [15:21] <@marcoz> Gijs: Agreed. I don't think even Apple can predict what the market will look like in five years. I guess they never expected the initial iPad to take off like it did. :)
  177. # [15:21] <Gijs> expected, probably not. Hoped? Definitely. :)
  178. # [15:22] <Gijs> Then again, they expected lots of other stuff to take off that never did.
  179. # [15:22] <Gijs> (*cough* Ping *cough*)
  180. # [15:22] <@marcoz> Gijs: I agree w/staying focused.
  181. # [15:23] <SteveF> marcoz: glad you think so on hgroup and thanks for reading: both you and dave
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  183. # [15:26] * Gijs waves at SteveF
  184. # [15:26] <SteveF> Gijs:hi
  185. # [15:27] <SteveF> Gijs: what are you up to?
  186. # [15:28] <Gijs> SteveF: working for Mozilla. More specifically, fighting SVG :)
  187. # [15:28] <Gijs> (for desktop browser chrome issues, not as in spec/core work)
  188. # [15:28] <Gijs> been a while! :)
  189. # [15:28] <SteveF> excellent! when did you start there?
  190. # [15:28] <Gijs> Are you still at TPG? :)
  191. # [15:28] <Gijs> Tomorrow it'll be 1 month.
  192. # [15:28] <Gijs> So not too long ago.
  193. # [15:28] <SteveF> yeah no one else will have me :-)
  194. # [15:29] <@davidb> pfffft!
  195. # [15:29] <SteveF> are you doing acc related stuff or just like the irc company?
  196. # [15:29] <Gijs> I doubt that...
  197. # [15:29] <Gijs> I like the IRC company and sometimes ask pertinent questions. ;)
  198. # [15:29] <Gijs> so far davidb and marcoz have graciously let me lurk/troll here :)
  199. # [15:30] <SteveF> ok so no other company would support me doing so much community work
  200. # [15:38] <@marcoz> Gijs: You're always welcome here! :) You proto-typed a web-based Chat/social client with ChatZilla that is being quoted whenever the question of instant messaging on the web comes up. :)
  201. # [15:39] <@marcoz> SteveF: I decided to put a (hopefully final) comment into bug 702594 to explain why I closed the bug again.
  202. # [15:39] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=702594 nor, --, ---, nobody, RESO WONTFIX, map HTML 5 hgroup element to accessibility APIs
  203. # [15:39] <Gijs> marcoz: the web-based one was Peter Thiessen's! ;)
  204. # [15:39] <SteveF> marco: saw it, good luck
  205. # [15:39] <SteveF> marcoz: saw it good luck
  206. # [15:40] <@marcoz> Gijs: Yeah I know, but with ChatZilla, you made it work nicely within the extension, and stuff like support.mozilla.org chat learned from that example. And the Thunderbird instant messaging feature did, too.
  207. # [15:40] <Gijs> cool cool :)
  208. # [15:45] <@davidb> Gijs: you landed my first patch in gecko
  209. # [15:45] <Gijs> wait what?
  210. # [15:45] * Gijs did not know/remember that.
  211. # [15:46] <@davidb> Feb 8 2007
  212. # [15:47] <@davidb> you forgot to credit me :)
  213. # [15:47] <Gijs> :')
  214. # [15:47] <Gijs> sorry!
  215. # [15:47] <@davidb> i added GetCellValue to nsITreeView
  216. # [15:47] <@davidb> as part of making thunderbird status indicators accessible
  217. # [15:47] <@davidb> np!
  218. # [15:50] <@marcoz> Heh, back in the wild CVS days.
  219. # [15:53] <Gijs> yeah... we didn't have qimport then, is my excuse.
  220. # [15:53] <@marcoz> *chuckles*
  221. # [15:53] <@davidb> i don't think people were generally concerned about credit during commits back then… i only mention it in case you went and searched for my name
  222. # [15:55] <@marcoz> davidb: Right, the committer was blamed in any case. Remember those Tinderbox e-mails? "You're on the hook, and if the tree burns, we'll whip your ass!" :D
  223. # [15:55] <@davidb> yes! :)
  224. # [15:58] <@firebot> yura.zenevich@gmail.com cancelled review?(eitan@monotonous.or g) for attachment 743470 on bug 858130.
  225. # [15:58] <@firebot> yura.zenevich@gmail.com requested review from marco.zehe@googlema il.com for attachment 743596 on bug 858130.
  226. # [15:58] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=858130 nor, --, ---, yura.zenevich, NEW, [AccessFu] Utterances are not stripped of whitespace
  227. # [15:59] <yzen> marcoz: got the patch updated as your requested :)
  228. # [16:02] <Gijs> marcoz: I'm still on the current CVS hook, I was poking around bonsai the other day and noticed... :)
  229. # [16:06] <@marcoz> Gijs: Noooooooo! *laughs* I don't think there have been any check-ins to CVS in what? Two years? Three? don't know when we EOL'd Firefox and Thunderbird 3.0.
  230. # [16:06] <@marcoz> yzen: Looking.
  231. # [16:07] <Gijs> marcoz: http://bonsai.mozilla.org/toplevel.cgi
  232. # [16:07] <Gijs> marcoz: you're on there, too ;)
  233. # [16:11] <@firebot> marco.zehe@googlemail.com granted review for attachment 743596 on bug 858130.
  234. # [16:11] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=858130 nor, --, ---, yura.zenevich, NEW, [AccessFu] Utterances are not stripped of whitespace
  235. # [16:12] <@marcoz> Gijs: Can't say I'm really bothered by that. ;)
  236. # [16:12] <@tbsaunde> marcoz: you really think what the w3c validator accepts is more importnat than what gecko does? (I really shouldn't ask I don't care about the issue itself)
  237. # [16:12] <Gijs> :)
  238. # [16:12] <yzen> marcoz: thanks:)
  239. # [16:12] <@marcoz> Gijs: As a matter of fact, I'm surprised these machines are still running!
  240. # [16:13] <Gijs> we need bonsai for CVS archaeology, I think
  241. # [16:13] <@tbsaunde> marcoz: cvs logs are still useful for history, and afaik comm-central only switch to hg last summer?
  242. # [16:14] <@tbsaunde> oh, and mspr and nss only switched a month ago?
  243. # [16:14] <@marcoz> tbsaunde: The point is that we never supported this particular element in the first place. And now that it's officially dropped from the spec the validators run against, and which is also what undoubtedly WCAG docs refer to, there's no point in adding support for it now.
  244. # [16:15] <@tbsaunde> marcoz: oh? grepping seems to find stuff in the tree related to it
  245. # [16:16] <@marcoz> tbsaunde: Besides, we still don't support the HTML5 outline algorithm correctly anyway yet, so hgroup wouldn't make any difference anyway.
  246. # [16:16] <@marcoz> tbsaunde: "We" being the a11y module.
  247. # [16:17] <@davidb> i think the cvs history was rolled up into a git repo
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  249. # [16:22] <@tbsaunde> davidb: there's that too, but cvs is still around and some people prefer it I think
  250. # [16:23] * @davidb shrugs
  251. # [16:27] <icaaq> marcoz: could you please try out the new firefox os page :) http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/privacy/policies/firefox-os/
  252. # [16:28] <icaaq> it's not optimal IMHO
  253. # [16:30] <@marcoz> icaaq: What do you think is not optimal? The "Learn more" links expand the content right where it should be. The form works fine. The headings are OK.
  254. # [16:33] <icaaq> marcoz: if you click the privacy policy link
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  256. # [16:36] <icaaq> the focus should be moved to that content when clicked
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  259. # [16:43] <@davidb> icaaq: how do i get rid of the privacy policy?
  260. # [16:43] <@davidb> ah the home icon
  261. # [16:43] <icaaq> marcoz: hmm also the keyboard navigation is screwed.. hmm
  262. # [16:44] <icaaq> davidb: yes
  263. # [16:44] <@davidb> man designers are bored
  264. # [16:44] <icaaq> heh
  265. # [16:44] <icaaq> ok, will file some bugs
  266. # [16:44] <@davidb> ty
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  269. # [16:58] <@marcoz> icaaq: Yeah, some of these keyboard nav bugs are really hidden from me by my screen readers.
  270. # [16:59] <icaaq> icaaq: yeah, i understand.
  271. # [16:59] <icaaq> marcoz: ^
  272. # [17:01] <@marcoz> icaaq: Hehe, according to the URL put in the awesome bar, clicking the "Privacy policy" link just takes me to #top, which is where I am in anyway AFAICT.
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  276. # [17:35] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com cancelled review?(trev.saunders@gmail .com) for attachment 740170 on bug 864224.
  277. # [17:35] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com requested review from trev.saunders@gmail .com for attachment 743654 on bug 864224.
  278. # [17:35] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=864224 nor, --, ---, surkov.alexander, ASSI, Support nested ARIA listitems structured by role='group'
  279. # [17:38] <@davidb> maxli, tbsaunde a bunch of us are heading for dim sim for lunch in about 15 minutes. i'm joining since i need to go to minh chau for glasses after anyways.
  280. # [17:38] <@davidb> so anyways, dim sum is an option.
  281. # [17:38] <@tbsaunde> davidb: k, not terribly interested but maybe
  282. # [17:38] <maxli> okay sure
  283. # [17:38] <@tbsaunde> how long does it take?
  284. # [17:39] <@davidb> apparently it can take a while
  285. # [17:39] <@davidb> clown: the glasses appointment will likely make me later for aapi meeting
  286. # [17:40] <@davidb> :/
  287. # [17:40] <@davidb> but i can do async actions
  288. # [17:41] <clown> davidb, okay. I'll be sending around the announcement later today. I'll see then what your actions/issues are.
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  290. # [17:41] <@davidb> ta
  291. # [17:41] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org granted review for attachment 743596 on bug 858130.
  292. # [17:41] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=858130 nor, --, ---, yura.zenevich, NEW, [AccessFu] Utterances are not stripped of whitespace
  293. # [17:46] <@eeejay> damn, i missed marco?
  294. # [17:46] <@davidb> eeejay: you snooze you lose
  295. # [17:47] <@eeejay> yeah
  296. # [17:47] <@davidb> i think he'll be back
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  301. # [18:10] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org denied review for attachment 743457 on bug 845870.
  302. # [18:10] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=845870 nor, --, ---, yura.zenevich, NEW, [AccessFu] Trust explicitly associated names when speaking certain elements
  303. # [18:14] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org granted review for attachment 743458 on bug 845870.
  304. # [18:17] <@eeejay> yzen, if you want to be edgy you could do !!(JSON.parse())
  305. # [18:18] <yzen> eeejay: :)
  306. # [18:18] <@eeejay> yzen, sorry for not communicating well before this patch
  307. # [18:18] <yzen> eeejay: np at all, i think ill just check the string , it will be more readable as well, imho
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  317. # [19:19] <@davidb> tbsaunde: dim sum was quite a trek
  318. # [19:20] <@davidb> eeejay: by lossless mag did you mean redrawing text ourselves vs raw mag?
  319. # [19:20] <@davidb> trying to fill out my notes
  320. # [19:24] <@eeejay> davidb, yeah. i mean content zoom with no reflow
  321. # [19:25] <@davidb> eeejay: oh ok
  322. # [19:26] <@davidb> eeejay: perhaps i should shop that to gfx manager for Q3
  323. # [19:26] <@eeejay> davidb, sounds great
  324. # [19:26] <@davidb> eeejay: would you be willing to be on the hook to collab with Ux on it?
  325. # [19:27] <@eeejay> davidb, of course
  326. # [19:27] <@davidb> alrighty
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  328. # [19:40] <@tbsaunde> davidb: I should try it some time, but indian was pretty goodd
  329. # [19:40] <@davidb> good to know
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  340. # [20:27] <yzen> eeejay: ping
  341. # [20:29] <@eeejay> yzen, yo
  342. # [20:32] <yzen> eeejay: a while ago davidb mentioned that you have or might know how to load a c++ module using ctypes? i don't mean a library like libc, but rather something at arbitrary path
  343. # [20:32] <yzen> ?
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  346. # [21:03] <@eeejay> yzen, a c library
  347. # [21:03] <yzen> yes
  348. # [21:04] <@eeejay> yzen, i don't think a c++ library
  349. # [21:04] <yzen> oh sorry yes i meant c
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  352. # [21:08] <@eeejay> yzen, google js ctypes
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  384. # [23:30] <Boriss> is marco zehe in this channel at the moment? not sure of his handle
  385. # [23:31] <@hub> Boriss: it is night time for him
  386. # [23:31] <@hub> Boriss: he is in Hamburg
  387. # [23:31] <@hub> Germany
  388. # [23:31] <Boriss> ah, i forgot. fair enough. in that case, is anyone around who's very familiar with screenreaders?
  389. # [23:31] <@hub> marcoz is his nickname, when he is online
  390. # [23:31] <Boriss> thanks!
  391. # [23:31] <@hub> eeejay, tbsaunde, davidb (when he is here)
  392. # [23:32] <Boriss> Well, I'll ask my question and see if any of those people (or someone else) would like to weigh in.
  393. # [23:32] <@hub> and surkov
  394. # [23:34] <Boriss> I'm looking at bug 854848, which was filed to support longdesc in firefox. Honestly, I've been reviewing the specs and information, and I'm very skeptical that real value is created by supporting longdesc, particularly given what will be its inconsistent (and likely rare) use, both current and future, which seems to provide very little real benefit to users. After all, it's not something users with screenreaders could expect
  395. # [23:34] <Boriss> any given site to have implemented and not something any given site could expect users to be familiar with (from my comment 39 in that bug). but, before closing it, i wanted to check with someone more familiar with screenreaders just to make sure there wasn't something very important i'm missing here that makes the way longdesc is implemented superior to other kinds of descriptions of images
  396. # [23:34] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=854848 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Support the longdesc attribute
  397. # [23:35] <Boriss> the w3 doc is here if you'd like more context on it https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/html-proposals/raw-file/753af00ced01/longdesc1/longdesc.html
  398. # [23:36] <Boriss> if people here don't have a strong opinion, and after a decade of not supporting this i'm imagining that's likely, that answers my question
  399. # [23:44] <@tbsaunde> Boriss: I certainly don't care, and would tendd to agree with you though I was taking more of the let the bug go off into oblivian rather than actually close to avoid getting attacked
  400. # [23:44] <Boriss> hehe, tbsaunde, you are wise
  401. # [23:44] <@tbsaunde> but I don't speak for davidb or Marcoz
  402. # [23:45] <Boriss> i may ping marco tomorrow anyway, but yeah… there's really no hurry on this bug. i mean, the first time it was filed, the bug number had 4 digits, which should indicate how much we burningly need this right now
  403. # [23:46] <@tbsaunde> agreed :)
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