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  1. # Session Start: Fri May 03 00:00:00 2013
  2. # Session Ident: #accessibility
  3. # [00:10] <yzen> eeejay: ping
  4. # [00:10] <@eeejay> yzen, hi
  5. # [00:11] <yzen> eeejay: when you run gaia, do you build b2g yourself or use nightly build ?
  6. # [00:11] <@eeejay> yzen, on desktop or device?
  7. # [00:11] <yzen> eeejay: desktop
  8. # [00:11] <@eeejay> yzen, i build firefox
  9. # [00:11] <@eeejay> (browser)
  10. # [00:11] <@eeejay> gaia runs well in mozilla-central
  11. # [00:12] <yzen> eeejay: oh so firefox not b2g ?
  12. # [00:13] <@eeejay> yzen, yeah
  13. # [00:13] <yzen> eeejay: im just looking at these instructions https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Mozilla/Firefox_OS/Using_the_B2G_desktop_client?redirectlocale=en-US&redirectslug=Firefox_OS%2FUsing_the_B2G_desktop_client
  14. # [00:14] <yzen> is that right ?
  15. # [00:15] <yzen> is that the mozconfig you use ?
  16. # [00:16] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 868209 filed by eitan@monotonous.org.
  17. # [00:16] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=868209 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [AccessFu] User report: Browser crashes with EBT on ICS
  18. # [00:16] <yzen> eeejay: ^
  19. # [00:17] <@eeejay> yzen, no
  20. # [00:17] <@eeejay> yzen, use the same mozconfig you use for desktop
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  23. # [00:17] <yzen> oh ok
  24. # [00:21] <yzen> eeejay: and then my_firefox -profile /full/path/to/gaia/profile ? after i DEBUG=1 make gaia ?
  25. # [00:21] <@eeejay> yzen, exactly!
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  27. # [00:28] <yzen> eeejay: so i did exactly that, firefox starts but the page is blank , what should i see ?
  28. # [00:28] <@eeejay> yzen, what do you mean by blank page? white?
  29. # [00:28] <@eeejay> do you see the devtools on the right?
  30. # [00:28] <yzen> yes
  31. # [00:28] <@eeejay> and a responsive design window on the left?
  32. # [00:30] <yzen> https://www.dropbox.com/s/dob51tazqsdmo34/Screen%20Shot%202013-05-02%20at%206.30.28%20PM.png
  33. # [00:30] <yzen> eeejay: ^
  34. # [00:30] <@eeejay> weird
  35. # [00:31] <yzen> eeejay: my exact command if that helps : ../mozilla-central/obj-x86_64-apple-darwin12.3.0/dist/NightlyDebug.app/Contents/MacOS/firefox -profile /Users/yura/Documents/Github/gaia/profile
  36. # [00:31] <@eeejay> yzen in the gaia dir do "rm -rf profile && DEBUG=1 make"
  37. # [00:31] <yzen> eeejay: let me try
  38. # [00:31] <@eeejay> yzen, do the firefox commands add -no-remote
  39. # [00:32] <yzen> eeejay: i did that as well.. but let me rebuild
  40. # [00:34] <yzen> eeejay: hmm same thing, i build firefox with debugging logging enabled etc, do you ?
  41. # [00:36] <@eeejay> yzen, yep
  42. # [00:37] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 868215 filed by trev.saunders@gmail.com.
  43. # [00:37] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=868215 nor, --, ---, trev.saunders, NEW, add another optgroup / option test
  44. # [00:37] <@eeejay> yzen, try just grabbing a copy of nightly
  45. # [00:37] <yzen> eeejay: this is my log too http://pastebin.com/Ch9rxed3
  46. # [00:37] <yzen> ok will try
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  49. # [00:43] <@firebot> trev.saunders@gmail.com requested review from surkov.alexander@gm ail.com for attachment 744874 on bug 868215.
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  120. # [10:29] <@firebot> scoobidiver@netcourrier.com requested needinfo from eitan@monotonous. org on bug 868209.
  121. # [10:29] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=868209 cri, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [AccessFu] User report: Browser crashes with EBT on ICS
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  130. # [13:48] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com granted review for attachment 744874 on bug 868215.
  131. # [13:48] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=868215 nor, --, ---, trev.saunders, NEW, add another optgroup / option test
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  136. # [14:10] <SteveF> icaaq: davidb: from last night - dialog element http://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/html/master/interactive-elements.html#the-dialog-element
  137. # [14:14] <icaaq> SteveF: when was that added?
  138. # [14:14] <SteveF> at least 6 months ago maybe a year
  139. # [14:18] <icaaq> ok this is the old dialog thing then http://html5doctor.com/a-little-more-conversation-with-dialog/ *confused*
  140. # [14:18] <icaaq> SteveF: ^
  141. # [14:18] <SteveF> yes, will fix that
  142. # [14:21] <icaaq> bruce have written about it http://www.brucelawson.co.uk/2012/reading-list-14/
  143. # [14:21] <icaaq> i like it, to many different lightbox solutions out there
  144. # [14:25] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com changed the Assignee on bug 737766 from mohangorai@gmail.com to nobody@mozilla.org.
  145. # [14:25] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=737766 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Firefox can't save the homepage.
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  153. # [15:07] <@davidb> eeejay: nice https://www.w3.org/WAI/IndieUI/track/actions/53
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  161. # [15:56] <SteveF> davidb: http://html5doctor.com/howto-subheadings/
  162. # [15:57] <@davidb> haha! "How do I mark up these buggers???"
  163. # [16:19] <SteveF> glad you like it :-)
  164. # [16:22] <@davidb> i can't read it with attention ATM
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  166. # [16:41] <@tbsaunde> arg no surkov
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  168. # [16:48] <@davidb> tbsaunde: FWIW he looks alive on Skype
  169. # [16:48] <@davidb> and gtalk
  170. # [16:48] <@davidb> which likely means his phone.
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  179. # [18:18] <@eeejay> davidb, yeah. that worked out well
  180. # [18:19] <@eeejay> maxli, ping
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  183. # [19:12] <maxli> eeejay, hello
  184. # [19:12] <@eeejay> maxli, hey. do you get bugmail for the braille bug?
  185. # [19:12] <maxli> eeejay, yes, just read it
  186. # [19:13] <@eeejay> maxli, awesome.
  187. # [19:13] <@davidb> eeejay: does talkback die?
  188. # [19:13] <@eeejay> davidb, when?
  189. # [19:13] <@davidb> with the patch?
  190. # [19:13] <@eeejay> davidb, not that i know of
  191. # [19:13] <@davidb> oh ok phew
  192. # [19:13] <@eeejay> davidb, ask maxli :)
  193. # [19:13] <@davidb> gotcha
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  197. # [20:24] <maxli> eeejay, afaict talkback works the exact same with the patch applied
  198. # [20:25] <@eeejay> maxli, cool.
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  201. # [20:34] <yzen> eeejay: I made it finally load correctly, rebuilt both firefox and gaia from latest and it started working :)
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  204. # [20:41] <@eeejay> yzen, awesome!
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  206. # [20:43] <yzen> eeejay: to activate, do i change accessibility.usetexttospeech; ?
  207. # [20:44] <@eeejay> yzen, no
  208. # [20:44] <@eeejay> grab my branch of gaia from github
  209. # [20:44] <yzen> i have
  210. # [20:44] <@eeejay> it has a testing extensions
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  213. # [20:46] <@eeejay> yzen, what kind of computer do you use?
  214. # [20:46] <yzen> mac
  215. # [20:47] <@eeejay> yzen, a new one with retina?
  216. # [20:47] <yzen> no
  217. # [20:47] <yzen> older one
  218. # [20:47] <@eeejay> damn, i need someone to fix stuff on retina :)
  219. # [20:47] <@eeejay> davidb?
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  221. # [20:48] <@davidb> eeejay: what stuff?
  222. # [20:48] <@davidb> yes i have a retina… :)
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  224. # [20:48] <@eeejay> davidb, my chat in #gaia
  225. # [20:48] <@eeejay> davidb, https://f.cloud.github.com/assets/122602/460518/27c39408-b421-11e2-9ea4-63b8ae9590d1.png
  226. # [20:48] <@davidb> ohhh
  227. # [20:49] <@davidb> i think you mentioned this when last we met up
  228. # [20:49] <@eeejay> davidb, i wasn't aware of this specifically
  229. # [20:49] <@davidb> ok reading gaia
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  231. # [20:51] <@davidb> eeejay: you are almost due for a refresh IIRC
  232. # [20:51] <@eeejay> davidb, i don't think i want an mbp
  233. # [20:51] <@davidb> you mean, you know you don't :)
  234. # [20:51] <@eeejay> hah
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  236. # [20:52] <@eeejay> barely, but i still have a spine
  237. # [20:52] <@hub> my X220 is having issues at the power plug
  238. # [20:52] <@eeejay> davidb, maybe a loaner for a week?
  239. # [20:52] <@hub> it seem to be broken there :-/
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  241. # [20:52] <@eeejay> hub, i'm waiting for the T431s,
  242. # [20:53] <@hub> eeejay: too big
  243. # [20:53] <@hub> the power brick is not a brick. it is a cinder block
  244. # [20:53] <@hub> the kind you attached to feet in the 30's in Chicago
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  246. # [20:53] <@eeejay> hub, the t431s is almost as small as the x220
  247. # [20:53] <@eeejay> hub, slimmer for sure.
  248. # [20:54] <@eeejay> hub, you are confusing it with every other thinkpad :)
  249. # [20:54] <@hub> it is confusing, indeed
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  253. # [21:01] <yzen> eeejay: sorry for a stupid question but how do i activate it :) ?
  254. # [21:01] <yzen> eeejay: i see in diff the screen-reader-simulator addition but i cant find it anywhere when i boot it up
  255. # [21:02] <@eeejay> yzen, in the developer toolbar?
  256. # [21:02] <@eeejay> yzen, just run firefox with the profile
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  262. # [21:12] <@davidb> eeejay: i might ask you to join a gfx tech meeting on a tuesday around 11am EST possibly next week?
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  264. # [21:12] <@eeejay> davidb, sure
  265. # [21:12] <@davidb> re: Q3 goal of screen mag and requirement
  266. # [21:12] <@davidb> s
  267. # [21:12] <@davidb> possibly maxli as well TBD
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  275. # [21:33] <yzen> eeejay: so weird, i rebuilt again, and see it now :S
  276. # [21:34] <@eeejay> yzen, weird
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  278. # [21:35] <yzen> eeejay: do you build firefox with --enable-warnings-as-errors
  279. # [21:35] <yzen> ?
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  281. # [21:40] <@hub> yzen: I wouldn't do that
  282. # [21:40] <@hub> yzen: for too many warnings
  283. # [21:40] <@hub> s/for/far/
  284. # [21:41] <@firebot> trev.saunders@gmail.com granted review for attachment 738877 on bug 862863.
  285. # [21:41] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=862863 maj, --, ---, surkov.alexander, ASSI, inactive document accessible might be lost
  286. # [21:41] <@eeejay> yzen, nope
  287. # [21:41] <yzen> hub: ok i wonder if my mozconfig build somehow affects the way gaia runs
  288. # [21:41] <yzen> eeejay: cool
  289. # [21:42] <@firebot> trev.saunders@gmail.com requested review from trev.saunders@gmail .com for attachment 743654 on bug 864224.
  290. # [21:42] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=864224 nor, --, ---, surkov.alexander, ASSI, Support nested ARIA listitems structured by role='group'
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  294. # [22:07] <@eeejay> davidb, tbsaunde, should we be doing anything with document.mozHidden?
  295. # [22:08] <@davidb> eeejay: what is that?
  296. # [22:08] <@eeejay> davidb, https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/DOM/Using_the_Page_Visibility_API
  297. # [22:09] <@eeejay> might be useful
  298. # [22:09] <@eeejay> but also might break current behavior
  299. # [22:12] <@tbsaunde> eeejay: I'd mostly expect "just works" but haven't really looked
  300. # [22:15] <@davidb> I think gecko a11y uses mVisibilityState == eVisible which amounts to the same thing?
  301. # [22:15] <@davidb> err eHidden
  302. # [22:15] <@davidb> not sure
  303. # [22:16] <@eeejay> tbsaunde, by just works, you mean the state is set to invisible?
  304. # [22:16] * @davidb was going by http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/f93588a041ec
  305. # [22:16] * @eeejay looks
  306. # [22:17] <@tbsaunde> eeejay: ugh making me actually look :p
  307. # [22:17] <@eeejay> davidb, ah, so we already use mVisibilityState?
  308. # [22:17] <@eeejay> tbsaunde, no worries. i'm on it :)
  309. # [22:18] <@eeejay> tbsaunde, i was being lazy
  310. # [22:18] <@davidb> oh we have our own...
  311. # [22:18] <@davidb> http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/accessible/src/generic/Accessible.cpp#615
  312. # [22:18] <@davidb> so perhaps not :/
  313. # [22:19] <@eeejay> ok, we do it from layout. got it
  314. # [22:20] <@tbsaunde> eeejay: yeah, pretty sure that spec is totally irelavent
  315. # [22:20] <@davidb> but it has reminded me of bug 722417
  316. # [22:20] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=722417 nor, --, ---, michaljev, ASSI, Expose intended visibility.
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  320. # [22:27] <@davidb> ok y'all have a great weekend!
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  330. # [22:56] <yzen> eeejay, hub, removing --enable-warnings-as-errors seemed to help a lot
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  332. # [22:58] <@eeejay> yzen, i bet
  333. # [22:58] <@eeejay> yzen, it is still slow on debug builds
  334. # [22:58] <yzen> eeejay: not too bad actually :)
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  337. # [23:03] <yzen> eeejay: so right know text is only logged, not spoken is that right ?
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  339. # [23:07] <@eeejay> yzen, right
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  343. # [23:34] <yzen> eeejay: what's going to be synthesizing the speech, is it going to be part of accessfu ?
  344. # [23:34] <@eeejay> yzen, yeah. i have an outstanding patch for that. should probably land it
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  346. # [23:36] <yzen> eeejay: is it something compiled into javascript? espeak , festival ?
  347. # [23:36] <@eeejay> yzen, https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=525444
  348. # [23:37] <@firebot> Bug 525444 nor, --, mozilla23, eitan, RESO FIXED, Expose text to speech (TTS) capability to content
  349. # [23:37] <@eeejay> yzen, it has been keeping me busy for a while :)
  350. # [23:37] <@eeejay> yzen, if you want to make a desktop adapter for it, we need it
  351. # [23:38] <yzen> eeejay: i could try, with pleasure, but i m not sure how urgent it is ?
  352. # [23:38] <@eeejay> yzen, not a top priority
  353. # [23:38] <yzen> eeejay: is there a bug for that ?
  354. # [23:39] <@eeejay> yzen i don't think so
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  356. # [23:39] <yzen> eeejay: i can at least open one and then try it out ?
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  358. # [23:42] <yzen> eeejay: is it considered an [AccessFu] bug ?
  359. # [23:42] <@eeejay> yzen, no. it is a content bug
  360. # [23:42] <@eeejay> yzen, it is port of the dom bindings
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