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  15. # [01:16] <@firebot> bmcbride@mozilla.com cancelled feedback?(bmcbride@mozilla. com) for attachment 749753 on bug 492557.
  16. # [01:16] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=492557 nor, --, ---, mdeboer, ASSI, Create a keyboard shortcut HUD
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  26. # [02:58] <@firebot> trev.saunders@gmail.com granted review for attachment 750884 on bug 873366.
  27. # [02:58] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=873366 nor, --, ---, surkov.alexander, NEW, move getText tests into separate file
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  29. # [03:48] <@firebot> zach.xuku@gmail.com requested review from trev.saunders@gmail .com for attachment 751956 on bug 873453.
  30. # [03:48] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=873453 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Implement IA2_RELATION_NODE_PARENT_OF
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  72. # [10:12] <Gijs> marcoz: ping
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  81. # [11:10] <@marcoz> Gijs: Ping?
  82. # [11:10] <Gijs> marcoz: pong! :)
  83. # [11:10] <Gijs> marcoz: I had a question about the accessibility tree and generated content
  84. # [11:11] <Gijs> (see also bug 874051)
  85. # [11:11] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=874051 nor, --, ---, gijskruitbosch+bugs, ASSI, (Australis) 2 remaining failing tests on UX in accessible/tests/mochitest/tree/test_tabbrowser.xul
  86. # [11:11] <Gijs> marcoz: essentially, that test is checking there's only one item inside a pagetab, which is the page's title.
  87. # [11:11] <@marcoz> Gijs: Hi! I was wondering: Do you use the Facebook Messenger for Firefox (AKA Social API integration) at all? I just got myself an FB account again and wanted to try it out and totally cannot manage to get it working.
  88. # [11:12] <Gijs> marcoz: for australis, we're using :before and :after images, and those are showing up in the a11y tree. Is there some way we can avoid that?
  89. # [11:12] <@marcoz> Gijs: OK, crossing here. Let's deal with your question first.
  90. # [11:12] <@marcoz> Generated content has been exposed since Firefox 4.
  91. # [11:12] <Gijs> Ah. :(
  92. # [11:12] <Gijs> And can we control that in some way? Because obviously we can't put a role on the generated content. :(
  93. # [11:13] <@marcoz> Hm, that's a question for surkov. I only knew :before and :after with text, never knew you could put images there, too. And for the text bits we actually implemented that, since the absence was causing blind users to miss content.
  94. # [11:13] <Gijs> Right, that makes sense, but I'd still like control over it. :(
  95. # [11:14] <Gijs> what time would be a good moment to catch surkov?
  96. # [11:14] <Gijs> marcoz: OTOH, how disturbing would it be to have extra role=graphic elements in the page tabs?
  97. # [11:14] <@marcoz> Gijs: Difficult to say. He pops in and out. Best to CC him to the bug as well and ask him for more info. (you can blame me if you like ;) ). That usually gets his attention quickest.
  98. # [11:14] <Gijs> OK.
  99. # [11:15] <@marcoz> Gijs: I'd be OK with them I think, but I suppose you can't put alt text on them to give them proper names, right?
  100. # [11:16] <Gijs> Nope.
  101. # [11:16] <Gijs> There's literally nothing we can do to make them accessible, which is why I'm confused they're even in the a11y tree.
  102. # [11:16] <Gijs> "here's some random content which you can't get more details about"
  103. # [11:17] <@marcoz> Gijs: Again, surkov was the one who implemented :before and :after support. So I'm hoping he can shed some light on this.
  104. # [11:17] <Gijs> Yeah, CC'd and needinfo'd him.
  105. # [11:17] <Gijs> Now, you had a question about the Social API stuff...
  106. # [11:17] <Gijs> which part of it is not working? :)
  107. # [11:17] <@marcoz> Gijs: Splendit! :)
  108. # [11:17] <@marcoz> Gijs: So, any ideas about my Facebook Messenger for Firefox question?
  109. # [11:17] <Gijs> Depends which bits aren't working...
  110. # [11:18] <@marcoz> Gijs: The login doesn't seem to be working.
  111. # [11:18] <@marcoz> Gijs: Here's what I did:
  112. # [11:18] <@marcoz> 1. Log into Facebook.
  113. # [11:18] <@marcoz> 2. Search and find http://facebook.com/about/messenger-for-firefox
  114. # [11:18] <@marcoz> 3. Click "Activate".
  115. # [11:18] <@marcoz> Result: That brings up the Messenger side bar, with a popup and a search field, and nothing else.
  116. # [11:19] <@marcoz> Inside that popup menu, I see a couple of items, among them a Logout, a Help and some others.
  117. # [11:19] <Gijs> OK, let me try this on a clean profile real quick.
  118. # [11:19] <@marcoz> But in the other, the Chrome part of this, in my case it's under Tools/Facebook Messenger, I see a menu item titled "not logged in".
  119. # [11:19] <Gijs> Ah.
  120. # [11:19] <Gijs> Odd.
  121. # [11:19] <@marcoz> I don't see any of my contacts nor a possibility to start a conversation.
  122. # [11:20] <@marcoz> Gijs: I can return to http://facebook.com/about/messenger-for-firefox, and it tells me that I can activate it again.
  123. # [11:21] <@marcoz> So one part seems to think it is activated and logged in, but the other part doesn't, and the Messenger itself isn't working.
  124. # [11:21] <@marcoz> Same result with Nightly, and with Firefox 21 release.
  125. # [11:21] <Gijs> Huh, interesting.
  126. # [11:22] <Gijs> marcoz: so on a new profile, on Fx 22 beta, if I log in to facebook and then go directly to the URL you listed, and click the "Turn On" button
  127. # [11:22] <Gijs> marcoz: I get a panel popup (like for saving passwords etc.) on the new social API buttons, with an "OK" and "Undo" button.
  128. # [11:22] <Gijs> if I focus anything else, the panel goes away and it seems to assume "OK"
  129. # [11:23] <Gijs> and then I get a chat sidebar and everything. :s
  130. # [11:23] <Gijs> marcoz: what happens if you log out of FB?
  131. # [11:25] <Gijs> marcoz: (and then log back in)
  132. # [11:28] <@marcoz> Gijs: Nothing interesting. I don't hear that panel coming up, so it is probably not marked up properly. :( The normal doorhanger is an alert, but this one remains silent, so I don't hear it.
  133. # [11:28] <Gijs> marcoz: probably worth filing a bug on that, at least.
  134. # [11:29] <Gijs> marcoz: what happens if you activate the "Not logged in" menuitem?
  135. # [11:29] <@marcoz> If I log out and back into Facebook, if the panel was in that half logged in state, it stays that way. If I click logout in that side bar popup menu, and then click Log in again from there, my normal Facebook page comes up. If I was logged in, nothing changes in the side bar. If I was not logged in, I log into Facebook but not the Messenger side bar.
  136. # [11:29] <Gijs> marcoz: huh, weird.
  137. # [11:29] <@marcoz> If I activate that "not logged in" menu item, I just get to a new window with my regular Facebook home page. No question whether I want to authorize something.
  138. # [11:30] <Gijs> marcoz: try asking in #socialdev I guess?
  139. # [11:30] <Gijs> I don't know what else to tell you at this point. :(
  140. # [11:30] <@marcoz> Gijs: OK!
  141. # [11:31] <Gijs> marcoz: that said, that channel looks like most people are in PDT, so you might be out of luck at this time of day. :(
  142. # [11:31] <@marcoz> Guess I'll have to wait for later until the MV people wake up.
  143. # [11:31] <Gijs> Yeah.
  144. # [11:31] <@marcoz> To me, this currently is totally screwed. It's not a clean profile, but it is nothing too fancy in there, either.
  145. # [11:32] <Gijs> marcoz: the problem is, I've seen this state in the past, too, but I don't know what I did to get there and get out of it, and when I tried later I couldn't reproduce it.
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  149. # [11:59] <@marcoz> Gijs: bug 872216.
  150. # [11:59] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=872216 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Facebook Messenger Not logged in
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  152. # [11:59] <@marcoz> Gijs: So I'm not the only one seeing this.
  153. # [12:00] <Gijs> marcoz: I'm not surprised, tbh. :X
  154. # [12:00] <Gijs> marcoz: I have not had a great experience with the social API stuff.
  155. # [12:01] <Gijs> marcoz: other funnies include that on nightly, when you add a social API provider, and then disable it, the toolbar icon goes crazy.
  156. # [12:01] * Gijs should probably check if that's filed.
  157. # [12:03] <Gijs> Good, bug 872455
  158. # [12:03] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=872455 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, icon in social toolbar button is mis-sized on retina display
  159. # [12:13] <@marcoz> Gijs: Well, it's my first attempt, and so far it doesn't feel that great a feature, either.
  160. # [12:14] <@marcoz> Gijs: Do you know if the HTML rendered is ours or Facebook's? The popup menu has quite a number of a11y issues.
  161. # [12:15] <Gijs> Ehm.
  162. # [12:15] <Gijs> The HTML is Facebook's.
  163. # [12:15] <@marcoz> Gijs: OK!
  164. # [12:15] <Gijs> marcoz: by the popup menu, do you mean the one on the toolbar?
  165. # [12:15] <@marcoz> Gijs: Just need to know who to raise the issue with. :)
  166. # [12:15] <Gijs> or the one in the sidebar?
  167. # [12:15] <@marcoz> Gijs: The one in the side bar.
  168. # [12:17] <Gijs> yeah, that's Facebook's I'm pretty sure.
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  172. # [12:46] <@marcoz> Gijs: OK, will contact their accessibility team.
  173. # [12:47] <Gijs> marcoz: nice! :)
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  176. # [12:59] <@firebot> maxli@maxli.ca requested review from eitan@monotonous.or g for attachment 752117 on bug 873411.
  177. # [12:59] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=873411 nor, --, ---, maxli, NEW, [AccessFu] Provide extra node information to Brailleback
  178. # [13:00] <@firebot> maxli@maxli.ca requested review from eitan@monotonous.or g for attachment 752118 on bug 873412.
  179. # [13:00] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=873412 nor, --, ---, maxli, NEW, [AccessFu] Implement performAction for clicking
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  181. # [13:42] <@firebot> alexandra.lucinet@softvision.ro changed the Component on bug 873045 from Untriaged to Keyboard Navigation.
  182. # [13:42] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=873045 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Holding down F5 shouldn't flood the web server
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  198. # [15:16] <@davidb> heyo!
  199. # [15:18] * Gijs waves
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  201. # [15:22] <@firebot> New Core - Keyboard: Navigation bug 874423 filed by ryanvm@gmail.com.
  202. # [15:22] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=874423 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Intermittent docshell/test/navigation/test_bug430723.html | Test timed out.
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  206. # [15:29] <@firebot> gijskruitbosch+bugs@gmail.com changed the Resolution on bug 873045 from --- to DUPLICATE.
  207. # [15:29] <@firebot> gijskruitbosch+bugs@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 873045 from UNCONFIRMED to RESOLVED.
  208. # [15:29] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=873045 nor, --, ---, nobody, RESO DUPLICATE, Holding down F5 shouldn't flood the web server
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  210. # [15:35] <@marcoz> Hi davidb!
  211. # [15:35] <@davidb> hi marcoz
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  213. # [15:35] <@davidb> marcoz: want to Skype in 25 nins?
  214. # [15:35] <@davidb> mins
  215. # [15:36] <@marcoz> davidb: Yes! :)
  216. # [15:36] <@davidb> great!
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  219. # [15:47] <@hub> say hi to Microsoft for me
  220. # [15:49] <@davidb> heh
  221. # [15:52] <@marcoz> Who?
  222. # [15:55] <Gijs> marcoz: reference to the heise.de stuff about MS snooping on https links on Skype, I think
  223. # [15:56] <@davidb> i hope we can use webrtc soon… apparently blassey uses it for 1:1's
  224. # [15:57] <@marcoz> davidb: Would be cool if we could! :)
  225. # [15:59] <@hub> Gijs: not only Heise. they broke the story, but it is worse than that
  226. # [15:59] <@marcoz> Gijs: hub: According to a follow-up, the sniffing stopped a while after the first article. And they could not provoke another URL sniffing from Redmond for two days before posting the follow-up.
  227. # [15:59] * @davidb hunts room
  228. # [16:00] * @marcoz doesn't need to hunt room. ;)
  229. # [16:00] <@hub> marcoz: ahaha. they claim one had end to end encryption. obviously they lied
  230. # [16:00] <Gijs> hub: I think it wasn't a lie originally but it changed at some point...
  231. # [16:01] <Gijs> anyway, what was the follow up?
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  239. # [16:39] <@marcoz> davidb: http://2013.beyondtellerrand.com
  240. # [16:42] <@eeejay> marcoz, morning/evening
  241. # [16:43] <@eeejay> maxli, i can't find the bug # for the about:home explore by touch issue, but you should assign it to yourself :)
  242. # [16:43] <@marcoz> Hi eeejay! Morning! I hear you're in Toronto! :)
  243. # [16:43] <@eeejay> marcoz, true. you headed over?
  244. # [16:44] <@marcoz> eeejay: No.
  245. # [16:44] <@eeejay> marcoz, i noticed you touched maxli's braille patches. have you tested the latest?
  246. # [16:44] <@marcoz> eeejay: I'd love to, though! :)
  247. # [16:45] <@marcoz> eeejay: No, I am planning to, but didn't get around to it yet. Was caught up in testing the Social API stuff.
  248. # [16:45] <@eeejay> marcoz, awesome
  249. # [16:48] <@marcoz> eeejay: Was my question re removing the observer valid, or was I talking nonsense for this kind of observer?
  250. # [16:48] <@marcoz> eeejay: bug 873412
  251. # [16:48] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=873412 nor, --, ---, maxli, NEW, [AccessFu] Implement performAction for clicking
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  253. # [16:49] <@eeejay> marcoz, totally valid
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  256. # [16:59] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org requested review from bugmail.mozilla@staktrace.com for attachment 752118 on bug 873412.
  257. # [17:00] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=873412 nor, --, ---, maxli, NEW, [AccessFu] Implement performAction for clicking
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  259. # [17:03] <@firebot> maxli@maxli.ca requested feedback from marco.zehe@google mail.com for attachment 752202 on bug 873415.
  260. # [17:03] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=873415 nor, --, ---, maxli, NEW, [AccessFu] Populate adjacent nodes with data
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  277. # [17:30] <@firebot> maxli@maxli.ca cancelled feedback?(marco.zehe@google mail.com) for attachment 752202 on bug 873415.
  278. # [17:30] <@firebot> maxli@maxli.ca requested feedback from marco.zehe@google mail.com for attachment 752214 on bug 873415.
  279. # [17:30] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=873415 nor, --, ---, maxli, NEW, [AccessFu] Populate adjacent nodes with data
  280. # [17:32] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org requested review from bugmail.mozilla@staktrace.com for attachment 752117 on bug 873411.
  281. # [17:32] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=873411 nor, --, ---, maxli, NEW, [AccessFu] Provide extra node information to Brailleback
  282. # [17:34] <@marcoz> eeejay: maxli: One of bug 873411 or bug 873412 breaks EBT on Jelly Bean. I've made a build with both patches, and it's broken. Just backed out 873412 to see which one the culprit is. Basically, with these patches, everything's empty in the web area.
  283. # [17:34] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=873412 nor, --, ---, maxli, NEW, [AccessFu] Implement performAction for clicking
  284. # [17:35] <@marcoz> eeejay: maxli: Probably 873411, since backing out only 873412 didn't fix the problem.
  285. # [17:36] <maxli> marcoz: that's odd, with both applied it works for me
  286. # [17:37] <@marcoz> maxli: Not here. :( Am rebuilding without the patches to make sure I have a clean build there.
  287. # [17:39] <@marcoz> maxli: eeejay: Hm, something's wrong on my end. Even without the patches I'm getting a broken build.
  288. # [17:40] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 874474 filed by eitan@monotonous.org.
  289. # [17:40] <@marcoz> It feels like it's loading, I even get the "loaded" message, but the web content area is completely empty.
  290. # [17:40] <@eeejay> marcoz, turn on talkback :)
  291. # [17:40] <@marcoz> eeejay: LOL, without TalkBack I wouldn't even be able to load Fennec, or a page from my about:home. :P
  292. # [17:41] <@marcoz> eeejay: Besides: The native widgets work. ;)
  293. # [17:41] <@eeejay> marcoz, ah. we could rule that out then :)
  294. # [17:47] <@marcoz> eeejay: Ouch, this is broken even in today's Nightly build! :( So it must be one of the recent AccessFu checkins. :(
  295. # [17:47] <@eeejay> yikes
  296. # [17:48] * @eeejay build android m-c
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  298. # [17:48] <@eeejay> maxli, you might be better positioned to remedy this.
  299. # [17:52] <@marcoz> eeejay: Confirmed on a second device as well, so it's not a fluke on my Nexus 7.
  300. # [17:52] <@eeejay> marcoz, ok
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  306. # [18:03] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 874483 filed by trev.saunders@gmail.com.
  307. # [18:03] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=874483 nor, --, ---, trev.saunders, NEW, get rid of some static constructors in accessible/
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  309. # [18:07] <@firebot> trev.saunders@gmail.com requested review from surkov.alexander@gm ail.com for attachment 752229 on bug 874483.
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  322. # [19:58] <@eeejay> maxli, you were right about nsIAccessibleCursorable. i have a followup patch that was supposed to land at the same time, and i forgot
  323. # [20:04] <@eeejay> yzen, hi?
  324. # [20:04] <yzen> eeejay: hey
  325. # [20:04] <@eeejay> yzen, hi, about bug 872355
  326. # [20:05] <yzen> eeejay: yep
  327. # [20:05] <@eeejay> i think it is worth caching things in js that are used a lot. so that is why isContentProcess is cached
  328. # [20:05] <@eeejay> i'm not 100% sure of what the perf impact is. but it feels rightish
  329. # [20:07] <yzen> eeejay: interesting, i was not aware about the perf for that
  330. # [20:08] <@eeejay> yzen, i'm not 100% sure either. so i cache :)
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  332. # [20:17] <@eeejay> yzen, do you have m-c privs?
  333. # [20:17] <@eeejay> inbound
  334. # [20:19] <yzen> eeejay: not sure, would level 3 grant it ?
  335. # [20:20] <@eeejay> yzen, dunno!
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  339. # [20:28] <yzen> eeejay: i probably have then
  340. # [20:31] <tbsaunde> davidb: how busy are you these days?
  341. # [20:32] <@davidb> tbsaunde: seem very busy today. what's up?
  342. # [20:32] <@davidb> i can take some patch review load depending on the bug
  343. # [20:33] <tbsaunde> davidb: was wondering if I could talk you into looking into why a test file runs no tests
  344. # [20:34] <@davidb> tbsaunde: sure
  345. # [20:35] <@davidb> tbsaunde: when/where/what?
  346. # [20:36] <@davidb> tbsaunde: I'm stepping out for 30 minutes
  347. # [20:36] <tbsaunde> davidb: test_bug852150.xhtml.txt in my dir on people
  348. # [20:36] <tbsaunde> davidb: no hurry
  349. # [20:36] <@davidb> ok
  350. # [20:44] <tbsaunde> davidb: as patch http://paste.debian.net/5597/
  351. # [20:44] <tbsaunde> just in case its easier
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  357. # [21:21] <@davidb> ok back. looking
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  359. # [21:21] <@davidb> tbsaunde: is "made it to boom" output? and not "in script"?
  360. # [21:21] <@davidb> sorry not running test?
  361. # [21:22] <@davidb> or crap… heh what is output?
  362. # [21:24] <tbsaunde> davidb: nothing is dumped just the test failure because 0 tests where run
  363. # [21:24] <@davidb> tbsaunde: does this need to be an xhtml file?
  364. # [21:25] <@davidb> I'd add type="application/javascript" to that script tag
  365. # [21:25] <@davidb> just in case
  366. # [21:26] <@davidb> tbsaunde: does that help?
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  368. # [21:28] <tbsaunde> davidb: yes, and I'll try
  369. # [21:28] <@davidb> ok
  370. # [21:29] <@davidb> fwiw lint is happy
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  380. # [22:07] <@davidb> booo
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  382. # [22:13] <tbsaunde> davidb: no worries
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