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- # [01:16] <@firebot> bmcbride@mozilla.com cancelled feedback?(bmcbride@mozilla. com) for attachment 749753 on bug 492557.
- # [01:16] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=492557 nor, --, ---, mdeboer, ASSI, Create a keyboard shortcut HUD
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- # [02:58] <@firebot> trev.saunders@gmail.com granted review for attachment 750884 on bug 873366.
- # [02:58] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=873366 nor, --, ---, surkov.alexander, NEW, move getText tests into separate file
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- # [03:48] <@firebot> zach.xuku@gmail.com requested review from trev.saunders@gmail .com for attachment 751956 on bug 873453.
- # [03:48] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=873453 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Implement IA2_RELATION_NODE_PARENT_OF
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- # [11:10] <@marcoz> Gijs: Ping?
- # [11:10] <Gijs> marcoz: pong! :)
- # [11:10] <Gijs> marcoz: I had a question about the accessibility tree and generated content
- # [11:11] <Gijs> (see also bug 874051)
- # [11:11] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=874051 nor, --, ---, gijskruitbosch+bugs, ASSI, (Australis) 2 remaining failing tests on UX in accessible/tests/mochitest/tree/test_tabbrowser.xul
- # [11:11] <Gijs> marcoz: essentially, that test is checking there's only one item inside a pagetab, which is the page's title.
- # [11:11] <@marcoz> Gijs: Hi! I was wondering: Do you use the Facebook Messenger for Firefox (AKA Social API integration) at all? I just got myself an FB account again and wanted to try it out and totally cannot manage to get it working.
- # [11:12] <Gijs> marcoz: for australis, we're using :before and :after images, and those are showing up in the a11y tree. Is there some way we can avoid that?
- # [11:12] <@marcoz> Gijs: OK, crossing here. Let's deal with your question first.
- # [11:12] <@marcoz> Generated content has been exposed since Firefox 4.
- # [11:12] <Gijs> Ah. :(
- # [11:12] <Gijs> And can we control that in some way? Because obviously we can't put a role on the generated content. :(
- # [11:13] <@marcoz> Hm, that's a question for surkov. I only knew :before and :after with text, never knew you could put images there, too. And for the text bits we actually implemented that, since the absence was causing blind users to miss content.
- # [11:13] <Gijs> Right, that makes sense, but I'd still like control over it. :(
- # [11:14] <Gijs> what time would be a good moment to catch surkov?
- # [11:14] <Gijs> marcoz: OTOH, how disturbing would it be to have extra role=graphic elements in the page tabs?
- # [11:14] <@marcoz> Gijs: Difficult to say. He pops in and out. Best to CC him to the bug as well and ask him for more info. (you can blame me if you like ;) ). That usually gets his attention quickest.
- # [11:14] <Gijs> OK.
- # [11:15] <@marcoz> Gijs: I'd be OK with them I think, but I suppose you can't put alt text on them to give them proper names, right?
- # [11:16] <Gijs> Nope.
- # [11:16] <Gijs> There's literally nothing we can do to make them accessible, which is why I'm confused they're even in the a11y tree.
- # [11:16] <Gijs> "here's some random content which you can't get more details about"
- # [11:17] <@marcoz> Gijs: Again, surkov was the one who implemented :before and :after support. So I'm hoping he can shed some light on this.
- # [11:17] <Gijs> Yeah, CC'd and needinfo'd him.
- # [11:17] <Gijs> Now, you had a question about the Social API stuff...
- # [11:17] <Gijs> which part of it is not working? :)
- # [11:17] <@marcoz> Gijs: Splendit! :)
- # [11:17] <@marcoz> Gijs: So, any ideas about my Facebook Messenger for Firefox question?
- # [11:17] <Gijs> Depends which bits aren't working...
- # [11:18] <@marcoz> Gijs: The login doesn't seem to be working.
- # [11:18] <@marcoz> Gijs: Here's what I did:
- # [11:18] <@marcoz> 1. Log into Facebook.
- # [11:18] <@marcoz> 2. Search and find http://facebook.com/about/messenger-for-firefox
- # [11:18] <@marcoz> 3. Click "Activate".
- # [11:18] <@marcoz> Result: That brings up the Messenger side bar, with a popup and a search field, and nothing else.
- # [11:19] <@marcoz> Inside that popup menu, I see a couple of items, among them a Logout, a Help and some others.
- # [11:19] <Gijs> OK, let me try this on a clean profile real quick.
- # [11:19] <@marcoz> But in the other, the Chrome part of this, in my case it's under Tools/Facebook Messenger, I see a menu item titled "not logged in".
- # [11:19] <Gijs> Ah.
- # [11:19] <Gijs> Odd.
- # [11:19] <@marcoz> I don't see any of my contacts nor a possibility to start a conversation.
- # [11:20] <@marcoz> Gijs: I can return to http://facebook.com/about/messenger-for-firefox, and it tells me that I can activate it again.
- # [11:21] <@marcoz> So one part seems to think it is activated and logged in, but the other part doesn't, and the Messenger itself isn't working.
- # [11:21] <@marcoz> Same result with Nightly, and with Firefox 21 release.
- # [11:21] <Gijs> Huh, interesting.
- # [11:22] <Gijs> marcoz: so on a new profile, on Fx 22 beta, if I log in to facebook and then go directly to the URL you listed, and click the "Turn On" button
- # [11:22] <Gijs> marcoz: I get a panel popup (like for saving passwords etc.) on the new social API buttons, with an "OK" and "Undo" button.
- # [11:22] <Gijs> if I focus anything else, the panel goes away and it seems to assume "OK"
- # [11:23] <Gijs> and then I get a chat sidebar and everything. :s
- # [11:23] <Gijs> marcoz: what happens if you log out of FB?
- # [11:25] <Gijs> marcoz: (and then log back in)
- # [11:28] <@marcoz> Gijs: Nothing interesting. I don't hear that panel coming up, so it is probably not marked up properly. :( The normal doorhanger is an alert, but this one remains silent, so I don't hear it.
- # [11:28] <Gijs> marcoz: probably worth filing a bug on that, at least.
- # [11:29] <Gijs> marcoz: what happens if you activate the "Not logged in" menuitem?
- # [11:29] <@marcoz> If I log out and back into Facebook, if the panel was in that half logged in state, it stays that way. If I click logout in that side bar popup menu, and then click Log in again from there, my normal Facebook page comes up. If I was logged in, nothing changes in the side bar. If I was not logged in, I log into Facebook but not the Messenger side bar.
- # [11:29] <Gijs> marcoz: huh, weird.
- # [11:29] <@marcoz> If I activate that "not logged in" menu item, I just get to a new window with my regular Facebook home page. No question whether I want to authorize something.
- # [11:30] <Gijs> marcoz: try asking in #socialdev I guess?
- # [11:30] <Gijs> I don't know what else to tell you at this point. :(
- # [11:30] <@marcoz> Gijs: OK!
- # [11:31] <Gijs> marcoz: that said, that channel looks like most people are in PDT, so you might be out of luck at this time of day. :(
- # [11:31] <@marcoz> Guess I'll have to wait for later until the MV people wake up.
- # [11:31] <Gijs> Yeah.
- # [11:31] <@marcoz> To me, this currently is totally screwed. It's not a clean profile, but it is nothing too fancy in there, either.
- # [11:32] <Gijs> marcoz: the problem is, I've seen this state in the past, too, but I don't know what I did to get there and get out of it, and when I tried later I couldn't reproduce it.
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- # [11:59] <@marcoz> Gijs: bug 872216.
- # [11:59] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=872216 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Facebook Messenger Not logged in
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- # [11:59] <@marcoz> Gijs: So I'm not the only one seeing this.
- # [12:00] <Gijs> marcoz: I'm not surprised, tbh. :X
- # [12:00] <Gijs> marcoz: I have not had a great experience with the social API stuff.
- # [12:01] <Gijs> marcoz: other funnies include that on nightly, when you add a social API provider, and then disable it, the toolbar icon goes crazy.
- # [12:01] * Gijs should probably check if that's filed.
- # [12:03] <Gijs> Good, bug 872455
- # [12:03] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=872455 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, icon in social toolbar button is mis-sized on retina display
- # [12:13] <@marcoz> Gijs: Well, it's my first attempt, and so far it doesn't feel that great a feature, either.
- # [12:14] <@marcoz> Gijs: Do you know if the HTML rendered is ours or Facebook's? The popup menu has quite a number of a11y issues.
- # [12:15] <Gijs> Ehm.
- # [12:15] <Gijs> The HTML is Facebook's.
- # [12:15] <@marcoz> Gijs: OK!
- # [12:15] <Gijs> marcoz: by the popup menu, do you mean the one on the toolbar?
- # [12:15] <@marcoz> Gijs: Just need to know who to raise the issue with. :)
- # [12:15] <Gijs> or the one in the sidebar?
- # [12:15] <@marcoz> Gijs: The one in the side bar.
- # [12:17] <Gijs> yeah, that's Facebook's I'm pretty sure.
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- # [12:46] <@marcoz> Gijs: OK, will contact their accessibility team.
- # [12:47] <Gijs> marcoz: nice! :)
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- # [12:59] <@firebot> maxli@maxli.ca requested review from eitan@monotonous.or g for attachment 752117 on bug 873411.
- # [12:59] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=873411 nor, --, ---, maxli, NEW, [AccessFu] Provide extra node information to Brailleback
- # [13:00] <@firebot> maxli@maxli.ca requested review from eitan@monotonous.or g for attachment 752118 on bug 873412.
- # [13:00] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=873412 nor, --, ---, maxli, NEW, [AccessFu] Implement performAction for clicking
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- # [13:42] <@firebot> alexandra.lucinet@softvision.ro changed the Component on bug 873045 from Untriaged to Keyboard Navigation.
- # [13:42] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=873045 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Holding down F5 shouldn't flood the web server
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- # [15:16] <@davidb> heyo!
- # [15:18] * Gijs waves
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- # [15:22] <@firebot> New Core - Keyboard: Navigation bug 874423 filed by ryanvm@gmail.com.
- # [15:22] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=874423 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Intermittent docshell/test/navigation/test_bug430723.html | Test timed out.
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- # [15:29] <@firebot> gijskruitbosch+bugs@gmail.com changed the Resolution on bug 873045 from --- to DUPLICATE.
- # [15:29] <@firebot> gijskruitbosch+bugs@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 873045 from UNCONFIRMED to RESOLVED.
- # [15:29] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=873045 nor, --, ---, nobody, RESO DUPLICATE, Holding down F5 shouldn't flood the web server
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- # [15:35] <@marcoz> Hi davidb!
- # [15:35] <@davidb> hi marcoz
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- # [15:35] <@davidb> marcoz: want to Skype in 25 nins?
- # [15:35] <@davidb> mins
- # [15:36] <@marcoz> davidb: Yes! :)
- # [15:36] <@davidb> great!
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- # [15:47] <@hub> say hi to Microsoft for me
- # [15:49] <@davidb> heh
- # [15:52] <@marcoz> Who?
- # [15:55] <Gijs> marcoz: reference to the heise.de stuff about MS snooping on https links on Skype, I think
- # [15:56] <@davidb> i hope we can use webrtc soon… apparently blassey uses it for 1:1's
- # [15:57] <@marcoz> davidb: Would be cool if we could! :)
- # [15:59] <@hub> Gijs: not only Heise. they broke the story, but it is worse than that
- # [15:59] <@marcoz> Gijs: hub: According to a follow-up, the sniffing stopped a while after the first article. And they could not provoke another URL sniffing from Redmond for two days before posting the follow-up.
- # [15:59] * @davidb hunts room
- # [16:00] * @marcoz doesn't need to hunt room. ;)
- # [16:00] <@hub> marcoz: ahaha. they claim one had end to end encryption. obviously they lied
- # [16:00] <Gijs> hub: I think it wasn't a lie originally but it changed at some point...
- # [16:01] <Gijs> anyway, what was the follow up?
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- # [16:39] <@marcoz> davidb: http://2013.beyondtellerrand.com
- # [16:42] <@eeejay> marcoz, morning/evening
- # [16:43] <@eeejay> maxli, i can't find the bug # for the about:home explore by touch issue, but you should assign it to yourself :)
- # [16:43] <@marcoz> Hi eeejay! Morning! I hear you're in Toronto! :)
- # [16:43] <@eeejay> marcoz, true. you headed over?
- # [16:44] <@marcoz> eeejay: No.
- # [16:44] <@eeejay> marcoz, i noticed you touched maxli's braille patches. have you tested the latest?
- # [16:44] <@marcoz> eeejay: I'd love to, though! :)
- # [16:45] <@marcoz> eeejay: No, I am planning to, but didn't get around to it yet. Was caught up in testing the Social API stuff.
- # [16:45] <@eeejay> marcoz, awesome
- # [16:48] <@marcoz> eeejay: Was my question re removing the observer valid, or was I talking nonsense for this kind of observer?
- # [16:48] <@marcoz> eeejay: bug 873412
- # [16:48] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=873412 nor, --, ---, maxli, NEW, [AccessFu] Implement performAction for clicking
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- # [16:49] <@eeejay> marcoz, totally valid
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- # [16:59] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org requested review from bugmail.mozilla@staktrace.com for attachment 752118 on bug 873412.
- # [17:00] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=873412 nor, --, ---, maxli, NEW, [AccessFu] Implement performAction for clicking
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- # [17:03] <@firebot> maxli@maxli.ca requested feedback from marco.zehe@google mail.com for attachment 752202 on bug 873415.
- # [17:03] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=873415 nor, --, ---, maxli, NEW, [AccessFu] Populate adjacent nodes with data
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- # [17:30] <@firebot> maxli@maxli.ca cancelled feedback?(marco.zehe@google mail.com) for attachment 752202 on bug 873415.
- # [17:30] <@firebot> maxli@maxli.ca requested feedback from marco.zehe@google mail.com for attachment 752214 on bug 873415.
- # [17:30] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=873415 nor, --, ---, maxli, NEW, [AccessFu] Populate adjacent nodes with data
- # [17:32] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org requested review from bugmail.mozilla@staktrace.com for attachment 752117 on bug 873411.
- # [17:32] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=873411 nor, --, ---, maxli, NEW, [AccessFu] Provide extra node information to Brailleback
- # [17:34] <@marcoz> eeejay: maxli: One of bug 873411 or bug 873412 breaks EBT on Jelly Bean. I've made a build with both patches, and it's broken. Just backed out 873412 to see which one the culprit is. Basically, with these patches, everything's empty in the web area.
- # [17:34] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=873412 nor, --, ---, maxli, NEW, [AccessFu] Implement performAction for clicking
- # [17:35] <@marcoz> eeejay: maxli: Probably 873411, since backing out only 873412 didn't fix the problem.
- # [17:36] <maxli> marcoz: that's odd, with both applied it works for me
- # [17:37] <@marcoz> maxli: Not here. :( Am rebuilding without the patches to make sure I have a clean build there.
- # [17:39] <@marcoz> maxli: eeejay: Hm, something's wrong on my end. Even without the patches I'm getting a broken build.
- # [17:40] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 874474 filed by eitan@monotonous.org.
- # [17:40] <@marcoz> It feels like it's loading, I even get the "loaded" message, but the web content area is completely empty.
- # [17:40] <@eeejay> marcoz, turn on talkback :)
- # [17:40] <@marcoz> eeejay: LOL, without TalkBack I wouldn't even be able to load Fennec, or a page from my about:home. :P
- # [17:41] <@marcoz> eeejay: Besides: The native widgets work. ;)
- # [17:41] <@eeejay> marcoz, ah. we could rule that out then :)
- # [17:47] <@marcoz> eeejay: Ouch, this is broken even in today's Nightly build! :( So it must be one of the recent AccessFu checkins. :(
- # [17:47] <@eeejay> yikes
- # [17:48] * @eeejay build android m-c
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- # [17:48] <@eeejay> maxli, you might be better positioned to remedy this.
- # [17:52] <@marcoz> eeejay: Confirmed on a second device as well, so it's not a fluke on my Nexus 7.
- # [17:52] <@eeejay> marcoz, ok
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- # [18:03] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 874483 filed by trev.saunders@gmail.com.
- # [18:03] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=874483 nor, --, ---, trev.saunders, NEW, get rid of some static constructors in accessible/
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- # [19:58] <@eeejay> maxli, you were right about nsIAccessibleCursorable. i have a followup patch that was supposed to land at the same time, and i forgot
- # [20:04] <@eeejay> yzen, hi?
- # [20:04] <yzen> eeejay: hey
- # [20:04] <@eeejay> yzen, hi, about bug 872355
- # [20:05] <yzen> eeejay: yep
- # [20:05] <@eeejay> i think it is worth caching things in js that are used a lot. so that is why isContentProcess is cached
- # [20:05] <@eeejay> i'm not 100% sure of what the perf impact is. but it feels rightish
- # [20:07] <yzen> eeejay: interesting, i was not aware about the perf for that
- # [20:08] <@eeejay> yzen, i'm not 100% sure either. so i cache :)
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- # [20:17] <@eeejay> yzen, do you have m-c privs?
- # [20:17] <@eeejay> inbound
- # [20:19] <yzen> eeejay: not sure, would level 3 grant it ?
- # [20:20] <@eeejay> yzen, dunno!
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- # [20:28] <yzen> eeejay: i probably have then
- # [20:31] <tbsaunde> davidb: how busy are you these days?
- # [20:32] <@davidb> tbsaunde: seem very busy today. what's up?
- # [20:32] <@davidb> i can take some patch review load depending on the bug
- # [20:33] <tbsaunde> davidb: was wondering if I could talk you into looking into why a test file runs no tests
- # [20:34] <@davidb> tbsaunde: sure
- # [20:35] <@davidb> tbsaunde: when/where/what?
- # [20:36] <@davidb> tbsaunde: I'm stepping out for 30 minutes
- # [20:36] <tbsaunde> davidb: test_bug852150.xhtml.txt in my dir on people
- # [20:36] <tbsaunde> davidb: no hurry
- # [20:36] <@davidb> ok
- # [20:44] <tbsaunde> davidb: as patch http://paste.debian.net/5597/
- # [20:44] <tbsaunde> just in case its easier
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- # [21:21] <@davidb> ok back. looking
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- # [21:21] <@davidb> tbsaunde: is "made it to boom" output? and not "in script"?
- # [21:21] <@davidb> sorry not running test?
- # [21:22] <@davidb> or crap… heh what is output?
- # [21:24] <tbsaunde> davidb: nothing is dumped just the test failure because 0 tests where run
- # [21:24] <@davidb> tbsaunde: does this need to be an xhtml file?
- # [21:25] <@davidb> I'd add type="application/javascript" to that script tag
- # [21:25] <@davidb> just in case
- # [21:26] <@davidb> tbsaunde: does that help?
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- # [21:28] <tbsaunde> davidb: yes, and I'll try
- # [21:28] <@davidb> ok
- # [21:29] <@davidb> fwiw lint is happy
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- # [22:07] <@davidb> booo
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- # [22:13] <tbsaunde> davidb: no worries
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