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  16. # [01:02] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 877453 filed by jboriss@mozilla.com.
  17. # [01:02] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=877453 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Expose longdesc in image context menus
  18. # [01:04] <@firebot> jboriss@mozilla.com changed the Resolution on bug 854848 from --- to DUPLICATE.
  19. # [01:05] <@firebot> jboriss@mozilla.com changed the Status on bug 854848 from NEW to RESOLVED.
  20. # [01:05] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=854848 nor, --, ---, nobody, RESO DUPLICATE, Support the longdesc attribute
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  76. # [05:33] <darkowlzzzz> surkov, ping!
  77. # [05:38] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 877532 filed by jamie@nvaccess.org.
  78. # [05:38] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=877532 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, IAccessible::accNavigate with NAVRELATION_* fails
  79. # [06:14] <@surkov> darkowlzzzz: hi
  80. # [06:21] <darkowlzzzz> surkov, look at this http://pastebin.mozilla.org/2460304 I have used switch again. See if the cases are supposed to be written in that way
  81. # [06:21] <darkowlzzzz> hi
  82. # [06:21] <darkowlzzzz> :)
  83. # [06:23] <@surkov> darkowlzzzz: it will look more or less this way (currently it doesn't even compiled)
  84. # [06:23] <darkowlzzzz> I am not sure how the cases should be
  85. # [06:23] <darkowlzzzz> are the literals defined in the scope?
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  98. # [06:50] <Jamie> surkov: re bug 877532: do you mean how to repro it "in the real world"?
  99. # [06:50] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=877532 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, IAccessible::accNavigate with NAVRELATION_* fails
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  101. # [06:51] <Jamie> surkov: There's no real world str right now because I'm not using the technique yet. I wanted to use it to determine whether a table has a caption, but I need to do this in a backwards compatible way, so the new relation stuff in IA2 isn't an option
  102. # [06:52] <Jamie> surkov: However, I can provide steps to reproduce it using the NVDA Python console if that helps, since it's easier than writing your own COM test case
  103. # [06:52] <@surkov> Jamie: that'd be great
  104. # [06:52] <Jamie> surkov: are you using a desktop keyboard or laptop keyboard? (just helps to give you the right NVDA commands)
  105. # [06:53] <@surkov> laptop keyboard (mac book's one)
  106. # [06:53] <Jamie> ug, that's tricky
  107. # [06:53] <@surkov> yep, I don't have home/end buttons
  108. # [06:54] <Jamie> you also don't have an NVDA key I guess
  109. # [06:54] <@surkov> Jamie: do I understand right accNavigate doesn't work in other cases as well?
  110. # [06:55] <@surkov> i.e. the issue is not specific to HTML tables
  111. # [06:55] <Jamie> surkov: no, it seems to work for normal NAVDIR_*
  112. # [06:55] <Jamie> oh, right, not specific to tables
  113. # [06:55] <Jamie> just NAVRELATION_*
  114. # [06:55] <@surkov> ok
  115. # [06:55] <Jamie> however, I haven't tested widely elsewhere
  116. # [06:55] <@surkov> sure
  117. # [06:55] <Jamie> surkov: do you know if you can use the NVDA key?
  118. # [06:56] <Jamie> I suspect not if you're running on a vm on a Mac unless you have remapped the key
  119. # [06:56] <@surkov> I think I never tried, how can I try?
  120. # [06:56] <@surkov> I'm running windows on vm
  121. # [06:56] <Jamie> yeah, okay. hmm.
  122. # [06:56] <Jamie> reproducing this is pretty much impossible for you then. grrr.
  123. # [06:56] <@surkov> damn
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  154. # [14:01] <@marcoz> Good day all!
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  156. # [14:07] <Gijs> *s
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  163. # [14:21] <@marcoz> Hi Gijs!
  164. # [14:21] <Gijs> hiya marcoz :)
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  171. # [14:47] <@davidb> heyo!
  172. # [14:55] <@marcoz> Heyo davidb and maxli! :)
  173. # [14:55] <maxli> Hi marcoz
  174. # [14:56] <@davidb> hi marcoz welcome back
  175. # [14:59] <@marcoz> davidb: Thanks!
  176. # [15:10] <@davidb> marcoz: i think you have a fan named henny swan :)
  177. # [15:10] <@davidb> how is surkov today?
  178. # [15:10] * @davidb waves to hub
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  180. # [15:13] <@marcoz> davidb: Heh, yeah I got that impression, too! *blushes*
  181. # [15:22] <@marcoz> davidb: Had a chance to read my blog post about Beyond Tellerrand?
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  183. # [15:28] <@davidb> marcoz: that is in my queue
  184. # [15:28] <@davidb> crazy busy since i got back from MV/SF
  185. # [15:28] <@davidb> very scattered
  186. # [15:28] <@marcoz> davidb: No worries! :)
  187. # [15:29] <@davidb> just got pinged we'll want to do a11y audit of UP
  188. # [15:29] <@davidb> a new moz project
  189. # [15:29] <@davidb> will keep ya posted
  190. # [15:35] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 877640 filed by marco.zehe@googlemail.com.
  191. # [15:35] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=877640 nor, --, ---, marco.zehe, ASSI, [AccessFu] Expose the STATE_HASPOPUP info
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  193. # [15:39] <@marcoz> davidb: Thanks! And cool that you were pinged!
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  195. # [15:41] <@firebot> marco.zehe@googlemail.com granted feedback for attachment 754744 on bug 876475.
  196. # [15:41] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=876475 nor, --, ---, maxli, NEW, [AccessFu] Make braille output less verbose
  197. # [15:42] <@davidb> yeah
  198. # [15:42] <@davidb> it was one of my sit at the kitchen and see what people talk to me about mornings
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  201. # [15:50] <@firebot> marco.zehe@googlemail.com requested review from yura.zenevich@gmail .com for attachment 755922 on bug 877640.
  202. # [15:50] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=877640 nor, --, ---, marco.zehe, ASSI, [AccessFu] Expose the STATE_HASPOPUP info
  203. # [15:51] <@marcoz> Hi yzen!
  204. # [15:51] <@marcoz> davidb: Interesting!
  205. # [15:51] <yzen> marcoz: hi :)
  206. # [16:00] <yzen> marcoz: i was wondering if it would be ok to add a simple test case to utterance tests that checks for "has pop up" in the utterance ?
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  210. # [16:19] <@tbsaunde> davidb: based on the massive sample size of 2 logs I'm concluding those expectAssertions calls aren't needed and removing them
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  212. # [16:19] <@davidb> tbsaunde: i trust you
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  214. # [16:23] <@marcoz> yzen: Would be OK I guess!
  215. # [16:24] <@marcoz> yzen: Or I could add another bug that adds tests for all states. I think there may be others missing.
  216. # [16:24] <yzen> marcoz: that would be awesome :)
  217. # [16:26] <@marcoz> yzen: Yeah I'll file another bug for tests.
  218. # [16:28] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 877655 filed by marco.zehe@googlemail.com.
  219. # [16:28] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=877655 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Add tests for state utterance presence
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  221. # [16:41] <@firebot> yura.zenevich@gmail.com granted review for attachment 755922 on bug 877640.
  222. # [16:41] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=877640 nor, --, ---, marco.zehe, ASSI, [AccessFu] Expose the STATE_HASPOPUP info
  223. # [16:44] <@surkov> davidb: surkov is in deep debugging
  224. # [16:44] <@davidb> :)
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  236. # [17:27] <@marcoz> yzen: No worries, the push for bug 877640 actually contains a commit message. :) I just did a hg qdiff, no upload via hg qexport. :)
  237. # [17:27] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=877640 nor, --, ---, marco.zehe, ASSI, [AccessFu] Expose the STATE_HASPOPUP info
  238. # [17:28] <yzen> marcoz: yep i noticed :)
  239. # [17:33] <@davidb> dentist time! (again)
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  246. # [18:05] <Gijs> Is the Firefox app menu keyboard accessible?
  247. # [18:05] <Gijs> Or are keyboard users expected to just hit 'alt'?
  248. # [18:05] <Gijs> (and use the regular menu)
  249. # [18:07] <eeejay> Gijs, which platform?
  250. # [18:08] <Gijs> Windows
  251. # [18:08] * Gijs is pretty sure the app button is windows only anyway?
  252. # [18:14] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com granted in-testsuite on bug 869806.
  253. # [18:14] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com changed the Resolution on bug 869806 from --- to FIXED.
  254. # [18:14] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 869806 from NEW to RESOLVED.
  255. # [18:14] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 869806 from --- to mozilla24.
  256. # [18:14] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=869806 nor, --, mozilla24, trev.saunders, RESO FIXED, fix asserts in actions/test_link.html
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  258. # [18:32] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org requested review from surkov.alexander@gm ail.com for attachment 756030 on bug 875665.
  259. # [18:32] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=875665 nor, --, ---, eitan, NEW, doAction(0) in <textarea/> accessible raises error
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  263. # [18:33] <@eeejay> Gijs, golly. I don't know!
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  265. # [18:37] <Gijs> eeejay: cool, just checking. :)
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  271. # [19:12] <clown_mtg> topic: ACTION-1200
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  276. # [20:28] <@davidb> Gijs: alt
  277. # [20:28] <Gijs> davidb: that is sadfaces, sort of.
  278. # [20:28] <Gijs> but OK.
  279. # [20:28] * @davidb nods
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  283. # [21:14] <@davidb> SteveF: what is does reflected mean in "New: @role attribute, and ARIA global content attributes should be reflected DOM attributes. "
  284. # [21:14] <@davidb> ?
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  286. # [21:15] <SteveF> did you read james comment? https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=22220#c0
  287. # [21:15] <@davidb> oh
  288. # [21:16] <@davidb> SteveF: i still don't understand the bug
  289. # [21:16] <SteveF> is it to do with IDL?
  290. # [21:17] <@davidb> i dunno
  291. # [21:17] <SteveF> I am unclear myself will chat to robin about it and get back to you
  292. # [21:18] * @davidb reads http://www.w3.org/TR/2011/WD-html5-20110525/common-dom-interfaces.html#reflecting-content-attributes-in-idl-attributes
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  295. # [21:20] <SteveF> but i think it means as in the example if you have <span role="alert"> if look at the dom properties for that element it would have role=alert and aria-live=assertive
  296. # [21:21] <@davidb> is that a good idea?
  297. # [21:22] <SteveF> james appears to think it is, I have no idea
  298. # [21:22] <SteveF> need to investigate it more
  299. # [21:22] <@davidb> i guess it would help js based AT but man…
  300. # [21:22] <@tbsaunde> davidb: isn't a doc on webidl from 2011 very likely out of date? ;)
  301. # [21:23] <@davidb> i suspect the definition is similar
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  303. # [21:25] <@tbsaunde> davidb: possible
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  312. # [21:56] <fxa90id> davidb, :D
  313. # [21:56] <fxa90id> Hello
  314. # [21:56] <@davidb> hi
  315. # [21:56] <fxa90id> Im working right now on https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=722417
  316. # [21:56] <@firebot> Bug 722417 nor, --, ---, michaljev, ASSI, Expose intended visibility.
  317. # [21:56] <fxa90id> and Im wondering if I can do something like
  318. # [21:57] <@davidb> oh dear.. this is a nuanced bug
  319. # [21:57] <@davidb> and i have to be in a meeting in 3 mins
  320. # [21:57] <fxa90id> cast DocAccessible to Accessible
  321. # [21:57] * @davidb relocates
  322. # [21:57] <fxa90id> and run VisiblityState()
  323. # [21:57] <fxa90id> :-)
  324. # [21:57] <fxa90id> oh ok
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  327. # [22:03] <@tbsaunde> fxa90id: if you look at what inherits from what you'll see you don't need to cast a docAccessible to an Accessible
  328. # [22:03] <fxa90id> great ! :D
  329. # [22:03] <fxa90id> I removed code from NativeState
  330. # [22:03] <fxa90id> left only uint64_t state = states::FOCUSABLE;
  331. # [22:04] <fxa90id> and return state | VisibilityState(); :D
  332. # [22:04] <fxa90id> but hmm
  333. # [22:04] <fxa90id> :<
  334. # [22:04] <fxa90id> that can't work
  335. # [22:05] <@tbsaunde> why not?
  336. # [22:06] <fxa90id> it would be to brilliant to work :D
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  340. # [22:14] <@tbsaunde> win 27
  341. # [22:16] <fxa90id> win 28 :)
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  345. # [22:33] <fxa90id> hey
  346. # [22:33] <fxa90id> http://careers.mozilla.org/en-US/position/oePGWfwp
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