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  1. # Session Start: Wed Jun 05 00:00:00 2013
  2. # Session Ident: #accessibility
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  17. # [02:45] <satdav> hub, do you know if we have got someone dedicated to the website accessibility
  18. # [02:45] <satdav> side of stuff
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  20. # [03:11] <bmcginty> Good evening all. I'm trying to get a handle on Mozilla's nsIAccessible interfaces, if anyone is available.
  21. # [03:13] <@tbsaunde> bmcginty: hi
  22. # [03:13] <@tbsaunde> what do you want to know?
  23. # [03:14] <bmcginty> tbsaunde: I'm trying to figure something out regarding the results of the getAccessibleFor call.
  24. # [03:15] <bmcginty> tbsaunde: The docs state that the nsIAccessible getAccessibleFor call returns a generic nsIAccessible object for each node in a document. However, there is not information on how to get a more specific type of object, for a table, for example.
  25. # [03:15] <@tbsaunde> bmcginty: QueryInterface() to nsIAccessibleTable or whatever
  26. # [03:16] <bmcginty> tbsaunde: For background, I am using a plugin for firefox to render a page to the command line, for blind users (and whoever else wants it). I have been using the default firefox document tree, but that's obviously not so easy, and is slowish to boot...
  27. # [03:16] <bmcginty> tbsaunde: Ouch. I should have realized that. thanks.
  28. # [03:17] <@tbsaunde> np!
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  32. # [04:24] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com requested review from trev.saunders@gmail .com for attachment 758345 on bug 877974.
  33. # [04:24] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=877974 nor, --, ---, surkov.alexander, NEW, reorg getTextAtOffset for line boundary
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  35. # [04:35] <@firebot> trev.saunders@gmail.com denied review for attachment 758345 on bug 877974.
  36. # [04:36] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=877974 nor, --, ---, surkov.alexander, NEW, reorg getTextAtOffset for line boundary
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  38. # [04:50] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com requested review from trev.saunders@gmail .com for attachment 758356 on bug 877974.
  39. # [04:50] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=877974 nor, --, ---, surkov.alexander, NEW, reorg getTextAtOffset for line boundary
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  41. # [04:59] <@firebot> trev.saunders@gmail.com granted review for attachment 758356 on bug 877974.
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  43. # [05:45] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com requested review from trev.saunders@gmail .com for attachment 758375 on bug 877974.
  44. # [05:45] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=877974 nor, --, ---, surkov.alexander, NEW, reorg getTextAtOffset for line boundary
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  46. # [06:48] <@firebot> yura.zenevich@gmail.com requested feedback from eitan@monotonous. org for attachment 758394 on bug 877124.
  47. # [06:48] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=877124 nor, --, ---, yura.zenevich, NEW, [AccessFu] Trust explicitly associated names for children of current pivot.
  48. # [06:48] <@firebot> yura.zenevich@gmail.com requested review from eitan@monotonous.or g for attachment 758395 on bug 877124.
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  57. # [09:03] <@firebot> scoobidiver@netcourrier.com set status-firefox24 to fixed on bug 878409.
  58. # [09:03] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=878409 cri, --, mozilla24, eitan, RESO FIXED, crash in nsAccessiblePivot::SearchForward @ nsIContent::HasAttr
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  62. # [09:18] <@firebot> ttaubert@mozilla.com changed the Resolution on bug 794041 from --- to FIXED.
  63. # [09:18] <@firebot> ttaubert@mozilla.com changed the Status on bug 794041 from ASSIGNED to RESOLVED.
  64. # [09:18] <@firebot> ttaubert@mozilla.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 794041 from --- to mozilla24.
  65. # [09:18] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=794041 nor, --, mozilla24, ttaubert, RESO FIXED, nsAccDocManager shouldn't create a RootAccessible for the hiddenWindow
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  71. # [10:48] <@firebot> marco.zehe@googlemail.com changed the Resolution on bug 877982 from --- to FIXED.
  72. # [10:48] <@firebot> marco.zehe@googlemail.com changed the Status on bug 877982 from NEW to RESOLVED.
  73. # [10:48] <@firebot> marco.zehe@googlemail.com set status-firefox23 to fixed on bug 877982.
  74. # [10:48] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=877982 nor, --, ---, surkov.alexander, RESO FIXED, JAWS misses textarea in Firefox 23
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  86. # [14:27] <marcoz> Hi yzen! What's the bug number for your current explicit name work again?
  87. # [14:27] <yzen> hi marcoz, it's bug 877124
  88. # [14:27] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=877124 nor, --, ---, yura.zenevich, NEW, [AccessFu] Trust explicitly associated names for children of current pivot.
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  90. # [14:35] <marcoz> yzen: Thanks! Am curious what your patches look like. :)
  91. # [14:37] <yzen> marcoz: hah, im still trying to figure out whether what i did there is close to what eeejay requested :)
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  93. # [14:47] <marcoz> yzen: I don't know, either. I see what you did there, but am not certain. BTW, what does "yield" do? never seen that before.
  94. # [14:48] <Gijs> marcoz: it's used in generator functions.
  95. # [14:49] <Gijs> marcoz: you can sort of think of it (at least, I do) as 'return' but then when you call the function again, it will "resume" after the yield.
  96. # [14:49] <yzen> marcoz: yield is used in generator functions, it's sort of like return but it does not actually return a value. so when you have an iterator and call next, you will get the new value yielded from the generator
  97. # [14:49] <Gijs> yzen: you can return a value from yield, though...
  98. # [14:49] <Gijs> (I mean, maybe in this case you don't, but you could)
  99. # [14:49] <yzen> Gijs: well isn't it only the case when you use send and not next ?
  100. # [14:49] <Gijs> I'm... not sure what you mean there. :)
  101. # [14:50] <yzen> Gijs: actually something eeejay pointed me to https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/JavaScript/Guide/Iterators_and_Generators#Advanced_generators
  102. # [14:51] <yzen> Gijs: but i guess you are talking about cases like yield used in conjunction with Taks.js?
  103. # [14:52] <Gijs> yzen: I think we're talking about different kinds of return.
  104. # [14:53] <Gijs> yzen: yield returns a value to the caller of the generator function, namely the operand.
  105. # [14:53] <Gijs> yzen: so: "yield 5" returns 5 to the caller of the generator.
  106. # [14:53] <yzen> Gijs: right
  107. # [14:53] <Gijs> What you're talking about is that: let x = yield 5 doesn't return anything, unless you use generator.send(some value), in which case x will then contain some value.
  108. # [14:54] <Gijs> egh.
  109. # [14:54] <yzen> Gijs: yep
  110. # [14:54] <Gijs> s/return anything/put anything into 'x'/
  111. # [14:54] <Gijs> that was unclear.
  112. # [14:54] <Gijs> marcoz: have we succeeded in either confusing or enlightening you? :)
  113. # [14:54] <yzen> hah
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  116. # [15:07] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 879741 filed by ttaubert@mozilla.com.
  117. # [15:07] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=879741 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Decide whether Accessibles should be created for hidden windows
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  123. # [15:29] <marcoz> yzen: Gijs: Yikes, this is interesting, but also confusing!
  124. # [15:34] <@davidb> marcoz: i only try built debug for bug 577727
  125. # [15:34] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=577727 nor, --, ---, dbolter, NEW, Make pinned tabs distinguishable from other tabs for accessibility
  126. # [15:35] <@davidb> did you want to take a build for a spin?
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  128. # [15:38] <marcoz> davidb: Am on it right now actually. :)
  129. # [15:39] <@davidb> ty
  130. # [15:39] <@davidb> not much to experience
  131. # [15:44] <marcoz> davidb: One question: Your test shows that both tab1 and tab2 expect the EXT_STATE_PINNED. Is it expected that pinned="false" also means that the tab is pinned?
  132. # [15:45] <@davidb> marcoz: good point - i should remove the second case because the way it is used in the browser is really there or not.
  133. # [15:45] <@davidb> i didn't even check that since my first patch :)
  134. # [15:46] <marcoz> davidb: Yeah, or see in the XUL docs whether pinned="false" is even valid. :)
  135. # [15:46] <@davidb> oh maybe i had that test there in case they started doing that
  136. # [15:47] <@davidb> i suppose i could check for it explicitly and treat it as not pinned
  137. # [15:47] <@davidb> marcoz: do we have xul docs on it?
  138. # [15:48] <marcoz> davidb: I don't know any more, would have to dig through MDN myself.
  139. # [15:48] <marcoz> davidb: In that case, however, the test (and maybe code, too) need adjusting.
  140. # [15:48] <@davidb> https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/XUL/Attribute/pinned
  141. # [15:49] <marcoz> Meaning if we want to make sure that pinned="false" does not set the pinned state. Right now you just check for the presence of the attribute, not its value.
  142. # [15:49] <@davidb> yeah that was a conscious decision based on how they current use the attribute
  143. # [15:49] <@davidb> but i should future proof i suppose… and the test does that but probably best to change the code
  144. # [15:50] <marcoz> davidb: Yup. :)
  145. # [15:50] <marcoz> davidb: So I'll r+ with that fixed.
  146. # [15:51] <@davidb> marcoz: thanks
  147. # [15:52] <@firebot> marco.zehe@googlemail.com granted review for attachment 758020 on bug 577727.
  148. # [15:52] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=577727 nor, --, ---, dbolter, NEW, Make pinned tabs distinguishable from other tabs for accessibility
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  151. # [15:54] <marcoz> davidb: Oh and I leave it to you to adjust the UUID or not, I'd, however, feel better if it was adjusted. :)
  152. # [15:55] <@davidb> roger
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  163. # [17:06] <@firebot> marco.zehe@googlemail.com granted in-testsuite on bug 577727.
  164. # [17:06] <@firebot> marco.zehe@googlemail.com changed the Status on bug 577727 from NEW to ASSIGNED.
  165. # [17:06] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=577727 nor, --, ---, dbolter, ASSI, Make pinned tabs distinguishable from other tabs for accessibility
  166. # [17:24] <marcoz> davidb: This is rather interesting! Bug 867517
  167. # [17:24] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=867517 nor, --, mozilla24, blassey.bugs, RESO FIXED, Gecko-based WebView for Android
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  180. # [18:10] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org granted review for attachment 758395 on bug 877124.
  181. # [18:10] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=877124 nor, --, ---, yura.zenevich, NEW, [AccessFu] Trust explicitly associated names for children of current pivot.
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  187. # [18:58] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org cancelled feedback?(eitan@monotonous. org) for attachment 758394 on bug 877124.
  188. # [18:59] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=877124 nor, --, ---, yura.zenevich, NEW, [AccessFu] Trust explicitly associated names for children of current pivot.
  189. # [19:00] <yzen> eeejay: cool
  190. # [19:01] <@eeejay> :)
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  202. # [20:01] <@eeejay> hey maxli
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  204. # [20:04] <maxli> hi eeejay
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  215. # [20:44] <kanha> Hi,
  216. # [20:45] <kanha> Is the mozilla Intership position for Platform Engineering Intern open?
  217. # [20:50] <fxa> :)
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  231. # [21:11] <@firebot> trev.saunders@gmail.com cancelled review?(surkov.alexander@gm ail.com) for attachment 756676 on bug 852150.
  232. # [21:11] <@firebot> trev.saunders@gmail.com requested review from surkov.alexander@gm ail.com for attachment 758722 on bug 852150.
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  234. # [21:11] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=852150 maj, --, ---, trev.saunders, NEW, "ASSERTION: No accessible parent?!" with table
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  236. # [21:18] <@firebot> dbolter@mozilla.com requested review from trev.saunders@gmail .com for attachment 758725 on bug 577727.
  237. # [21:18] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=577727 nor, --, ---, dbolter, ASSI, Make pinned tabs distinguishable from other tabs for accessibility
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  257. # [22:36] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com changed the Resolution on bug 577727 from --- to FIXED.
  258. # [22:36] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 577727 from ASSIGNED to RESOLVED.
  259. # [22:36] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 577727 from --- to mozilla24.
  260. # [22:36] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=577727 nor, --, mozilla24, dbolter, RESO FIXED, Make pinned tabs distinguishable from other tabs for accessibility
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  264. # [22:48] <@firebot> trev.saunders@gmail.com granted review for attachment 758725 on bug 577727.
  265. # [22:48] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=577727 nor, --, mozilla24, dbolter, RESO FIXED, Make pinned tabs distinguishable from other tabs for accessibility
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  275. # [23:32] <satdav> Hub or eeejay is davidb about today
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