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- # Session Start: Mon Jun 24 00:00:00 2013
- # Session Ident: #accessibility
- # [00:04] <reuben> tbsaunde, thanks! that works in that it finds something, but it highlights the wrong areas in the browser.
- # [00:05] <reuben> tbsaunde, can I enable a11y logging or something to help me debug this? I don't know much about that code but maybe it's not too hard a fix :)
- # [00:16] <@tbsaunde> reuben: there is some logging you can turn on in nightly builds, see accessible/src/base/Logging.cpp for the options
- # [00:17] <reuben> great, thanks
- # [00:17] <@tbsaunde> np, sorry I can't help more but I really need food
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- # [06:00] <Ashiarai> *busts into the room*
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- # [06:02] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 886208 filed by jruderman@gmail.com.
- # [06:02] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=886208 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, "ASSERTION: No accessible parent" emptying a textbox
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- # [07:03] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 886215 filed by jruderman@gmail.com.
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- # [14:18] <@marcoz> Good day all!
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- # [14:36] <@firebot> marco.zehe@googlemail.com granted feedback for attachment 766220 on bug 830748.
- # [14:36] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=830748 nor, --, ---, yura.zenevich, ASSI, [AccessFu] Improve reading of table semantics
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- # [15:33] <@marcoz> This day just ain't gonna cut it without that extra cup of coffee!
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- # [15:37] <@marcoz> Hi davidb!
- # [15:37] <@marcoz> Morning yzen!
- # [15:37] <@davidb> hi!
- # [15:37] <@davidb> heyo
- # [15:37] <@marcoz> Morning maxli!
- # [15:38] <maxli> Hi marcoz
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- # [15:40] * Gijs waves from Toronto
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- # [15:45] <@marcoz> Gijs: Have fun there! I'll be in Toronto starting 12 days from now. \-O-/
- # [15:45] <Gijs> marcoz: oh no, then I'm back in Europe! :(
- # [15:47] <yzen> hi marcoz
- # [15:49] <yzen> marcoz: i wanted to wrap up the table bug, but I was hoping I can ask you a couple of questions about utterances for braille again :)
- # [15:49] <yzen> marcoz: so when we pivot to a table we announce "%S with %S columns and %S rows"
- # [15:50] <@marcoz> yzen: Right.
- # [15:50] <yzen> marcoz: is it the same for braille or more compact ?
- # [15:51] <@marcoz> yzen: You can shorten it like tbl %sr %sc.
- # [15:51] <yzen> marcoz: sounds good
- # [15:52] <@marcoz> yzen: Saw my comment about layout table testing?
- # [15:53] <yzen> marcoz: yes, will add that
- # [15:53] <yzen> marcoz: now in case of cells, you mentioned we always want RxCy in place of Column %S and Row %S
- # [15:53] <@marcoz> yzen: Yup.
- # [15:53] <yzen> marcoz: what about spans %S columns and spans %S rows?
- # [15:54] <@marcoz> yzen: Hm, tbh I've never seen this information be brailled. Windows screen readers tend to suppress that. And I guess that's OK, braille is, for the most part, more an addition than the primary medium of consumption. I think we should leave that out for now, and if people as for it, add it separately.
- # [15:55] <@marcoz> s/as/ask/
- # [15:55] <yzen> marcoz: got it , so as far as i understand, these are all the intricate differences , right?
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- # [15:56] <@marcoz> yzen: Yup.
- # [15:56] <yzen> marcoz: thanks, added this convo to the bug
- # [15:57] <@marcoz> And know what? Experience shows that braille usually can't satisfy everybody. But I think as a first implementation, this is already incredibly helpful for braille users. :)
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- # [15:59] <yzen> marcoz: great :)
- # [16:00] <@marcoz> yzen: Thanks for picking this up and making it awesome! :)
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- # [16:03] <yzen> marcoz: :)
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- # [16:28] <@davidb> tbsaunde: how goes it?
- # [16:36] <@marcoz> davidb: Curious: Is "how goes it?" a common colloquialism in English, or in Canadian English? Because it is an exact English translation of the German question "Wie geht es", which means exactly what you meant. Grammar and all. ;)
- # [16:37] <@davidb> marcoz: I think only I say it :)
- # [16:41] <@marcoz> davidb: Cool! Shows my good influence! *ggg*
- # [16:41] <@davidb> heheh
- # [16:47] <yzen> davidb: I'm afraid you are not the only one ;)
- # [16:48] <@davidb> yeah, I exaggerated :)
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- # [16:48] <yzen> :)
- # [16:48] <@davidb> I knew someone who used it a lot (back in 1996)
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- # [17:05] <@tbsaunde> davidb: its monday morning but otherwise fine
- # [17:05] <@davidb> tbsaunde: cool. 1:1?
- # [17:05] <@tbsaunde> did you want to talk? I just got in
- # [17:05] <@davidb> sure
- # [17:05] <@tbsaunde> guess I'll head over then
- # [17:05] <@davidb> before you get in the zone
- # [17:05] <@davidb> ok me too
- # [17:14] <@marcoz> davidb: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Accessibility/Meetings/2013-06-26
- # [17:14] <@marcoz> sending out meeting invitation to dev-planning now.
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- # [17:24] <@davidb> groovy
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- # [18:53] <@eeejay> howdy
- # [18:53] <@eeejay> maxli, you were busy this weekend :)
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- # [18:53] <@davidb> :)
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- # [19:05] <@eeejay> yzen, looking at your table stuff now, thanks for all this. it is awesome
- # [19:05] <yzen> eeejay: :) great to hear, i m adding braille and tests for it as well, should be ready for review latest tomorrow
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- # [19:06] <@eeejay> yzen, i'm looking first at your tests, and i have a question about "Test pivot to table1_th1 from table1."
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- # [19:06] <@eeejay> yzen, if the pivot was already on the table, why does the utterance include the table description?
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- # [19:11] <yzen> eeejay: brb, sorry have to get home
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- # [19:25] <@firebot> trev.saunders@gmail.com granted review for attachment 766247 on bug 857334.
- # [19:25] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=857334 cri, --, ---, nobody, NEW, crash in mozilla::a11y::XULTextFieldAccessible::FrameSelection
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- # [19:36] <yzen> eeejay: i think i might've updated newAncestry getter incorrectly..
- # [19:37] <@eeejay> yzen, yup. that is in my feedback that i am about to post :)
- # [19:37] <yzen> eeejay: ok great
- # [19:37] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org granted feedback for attachment 766220 on bug 830748.
- # [19:37] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=830748 nor, --, ---, yura.zenevich, ASSI, [AccessFu] Improve reading of table semantics
- # [19:40] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org granted feedback for attachment 766221 on bug 830748.
- # [19:41] <@firebot> trev.saunders@gmail.com granted review for attachment 764553 on bug 884648.
- # [19:41] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=884648 nor, --, ---, surkov.alexander, ASSI, no object attributes for aria-atomic="false"
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- # [21:35] <davidb> tbsaunde: here is the dependency tree for your goal bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=855375&hide_resolved=1
- # [21:35] <davidb> are any of these ones you expect to be part of the goal?
- # [21:39] <@tbsaunde> davidb: looks like the only open stuff should be worksformed
- # [21:39] <davidb> tbsaunde: awesome can you take care of that?
- # [21:40] <davidb> tbsaunde: or if you are certain i can do it for you
- # [21:41] <@tbsaunde> davidb: I can get it done today, but I'd like to finish looking at Alex's patch for text stuff first
- # [21:41] <davidb> sure
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- # [22:06] <@firebot> trev.saunders@gmail.com changed the Resolution on bug 571609 from --- to WORKSFORME.
- # [22:06] <@firebot> trev.saunders@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 571609 from NEW to RESOLVED.
- # [22:06] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=571609 nor, --, ---, nobody, RESO WORKSFORME, "ASSERTION: No children but initialized!" in test_select.html
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- # [22:15] <@tbsaunde> davidb: bugzilla seems to disagree but I don't see why, but I think the only open bug that bug 855375 depends on is bug 571613
- # [22:15] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=855375 nor, --, ---, trev.saunders, NEW, fix a11y assertions
- # [22:15] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=571613 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Pass accessibility tests (mochitest-a11y) without assertion failures
- # [22:16] <davidb> cool - i've called the goal done. good work sir!
- # [22:25] <yzen> eeejay: hey
- # [22:25] <@eeejay> yzen, yo
- # [22:26] <yzen> eeejay: if you have a moment, I'm looking at the newAncestry function and i m trying to find the difference. you mentioned the indexes is that right?
- # [22:27] <@eeejay> yzen, basically you need to search from top to bottom
- # [22:27] <@eeejay> yzen, your patch changes it to bottom-up
- # [22:27] <yzen> eeejay: i do reverse the ancestry in getAncestry method though
- # [22:27] <@eeejay> hm
- # [22:27] <@eeejay> i didn't see that
- # [22:28] <@eeejay> yzen, in that case the index thing is fine, i guess
- # [22:28] <yzen> eeejay: i m trying to think of this example when old accessible is a parent, then the difference in ancestries will be that parent, isn't it?
- # [22:28] <@eeejay> yzen, i don't think so
- # [22:28] <@eeejay> the parent would not be there
- # [22:29] <@eeejay> if it were a grandparent->grandchild
- # [22:29] <@eeejay> then it would be a one item list containing parent
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- # [23:04] <yzen> eeejay: so if i have a parent sibling, that i pivot from to a parent child, i would want the parent wouldn't I? in that case the oldAncestry is the same for both parent and its sibling? sorry if I'm misinterpreting the logic :)
- # [23:08] <@eeejay> yzen, correct
- # [23:08] <@eeejay> yzen, the function worked with that fine
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- # [23:09] <yzen> eeejay: hmm, ok ill take a look
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