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  59. # [11:35] <@firebot> bugzilla2007@duellmann24.net requested needinfo from the wind on bug 71779.
  60. # [11:35] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=71779 nor, --, Future, nobody, NEW, Need to update menus to show current XBL bindings
  61. # [11:40] <@firebot> marco.zehe@googlemail.com changed the Assignee on bug 857334 from nobody@mozilla.org to birunthan@mohanathas.com.
  62. # [11:40] <@firebot> marco.zehe@googlemail.com changed the Status on bug 857334 from NEW to ASSIGNED.
  63. # [11:40] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=857334 cri, --, ---, birunthan, ASSI, crash in mozilla::a11y::XULTextFieldAccessible::FrameSelection
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  73. # [13:24] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com cancelled review?(surkov.alexander@gm ail.com) for attachment 766249 on bug 881504.
  74. # [13:24] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=881504 cri, --, ---, nobody, NEW, crash in mozilla::a11y::DocManager::RemoveListeners
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  95. # [15:09] <@marcoz> maxli: Interesting finding! I'm currently trying to build with this patch, but am running into a startup crash with local builds on my Nexus 7.
  96. # [15:10] <@marcoz> (but that's even without your patch, so it's something else that's at fault.)
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  102. # [15:42] <@marcoz> Hi davidb!
  103. # [15:42] <@davidb> hi!
  104. # [15:42] <@davidb> heyo!
  105. # [15:49] <@marcoz> maxli: Good find! See my f+ comment. :)
  106. # [15:49] <maxli> marcoz: Thanks!
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  109. # [15:57] <@marcoz> maxli: One thing I don't get is why TalkBack only sees it once despite the patch. Do they have some sort of heuristic that makes them ignore duplicate controls like this? Really puzzling.
  110. # [16:01] <@marcoz> maxli: Yup, patch also works on a Galaxy Nexus, on the smaller handset screen. Really interesting, and no duplication.
  111. # [16:02] <maxli> marcoz: Yes, I'm not too sure why that refactoring patch broke it either; my (wild) guess is that Talkback has some fallback for things like layout elements with content descriptions or something like that
  112. # [16:02] <maxli> so even if the text was ignored it was landing on that; but still seems odd to me
  113. # [16:07] <@marcoz> Agreed. Do you know where that contentDescription on the layout element is set, and would it make sense to remove that now that we've got that real control back?
  114. # [16:08] <@marcoz> maxli: >>
  115. # [16:14] <maxli> marcoz: appears to be here: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/mobile/android/base/BrowserToolbar.java#909
  116. # [16:14] <maxli> marcoz: removing it appears to actually have no effect either way, so I don't see a reason to
  117. # [16:15] <maxli> (but I didn't check thoroughly to make sure it doesn't break anything by removing it)
  118. # [16:24] <@marcoz> maxli: Fine with me. :)
  119. # [16:28] <@firebot> yura.zenevich@gmail.com requested review from eitan@monotonous.or g for attachment 767192 on bug 830748.
  120. # [16:28] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=830748 nor, --, ---, yura.zenevich, ASSI, [AccessFu] Improve reading of table semantics
  121. # [16:28] <@firebot> yura.zenevich@gmail.com requested review from eitan@monotonous.or g for attachment 767193 on bug 830748.
  122. # [16:31] <@firebot> yura.zenevich@gmail.com cancelled review?(eitan@monotonous.or g) for attachment 767193 on bug 830748.
  123. # [16:32] <yzen> marcoz: please ignore the patch for now, i did not add the layout test :)
  124. # [16:32] <@marcoz> yzen: OK! :)
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  126. # [16:42] <@firebot> yura.zenevich@gmail.com requested review from eitan@monotonous.or g for attachment 767215 on bug 830748.
  127. # [16:42] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=830748 nor, --, ---, yura.zenevich, ASSI, [AccessFu] Improve reading of table semantics
  128. # [16:45] <yzen> marcoz: hope you like it :)
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  132. # [17:10] <@firebot> birunthan@mohanathas.com requested review from surkov.alexander@gm ail.com for attachment 767230 on bug 881504.
  133. # [17:10] <@marcoz> yzen: Argh, while looking over your tests, I noticed that I had neglected to give you one additional piece of info: Of course if a layout table is detected, cell, row and column and all associated info should also not be uttered. In essence, if a layout table is encountered, it should be completely "invisible" to the TalkBack user. As if it wasn't there.
  134. # [17:10] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=881504 cri, --, ---, nobody, NEW, crash in mozilla::a11y::DocManager::RemoveListeners
  135. # [17:11] <yzen> marcoz: so does it mean that it's sort of another rule to prune subtree in addition to the explicit name?
  136. # [17:12] <@marcoz> yzen: No. The text and all should still be uttered, basically all child elements of a td within a layout table. But the cell's row and column information should not be spoken.
  137. # [17:12] <yzen> marcoz: oh wow ok that should be fun :)
  138. # [17:13] <yzen> marcoz: ill update it
  139. # [17:13] <yzen> marcoz: brb
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  142. # [17:16] <@firebot> marco.zehe@googlemail.com cancelled review?(marco.zehe@googlema il.com) for attachment 767215 on bug 830748.
  143. # [17:16] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=830748 nor, --, ---, yura.zenevich, ASSI, [AccessFu] Improve reading of table semantics
  144. # [17:20] <@firebot> birunthan@mohanathas.com cancelled review?(surkov.alexander@gm ail.com) for attachment 767230 on bug 881504.
  145. # [17:20] <@firebot> birunthan@mohanathas.com requested review from surkov.alexander@gm ail.com for attachment 767236 on bug 881504.
  146. # [17:20] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=881504 cri, --, ---, nobody, NEW, crash in mozilla::a11y::DocManager::RemoveListeners
  147. # [17:22] <@firebot> birunthan@mohanathas.com cancelled review?(surkov.alexander@gm ail.com) for attachment 767236 on bug 881504.
  148. # [17:22] <@firebot> birunthan@mohanathas.com requested review from surkov.alexander@gm ail.com for attachment 767239 on bug 881504.
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  150. # [17:25] <@marcoz> yzen: Put a comment in the bug as well.
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  153. # [17:26] <yzen> thanks marcoz , ill have an update in 5min
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  156. # [17:35] <@eeejay> morning folks
  157. # [17:36] <@marcoz> Morning eeejay!
  158. # [17:36] <@eeejay> yo! marcoz
  159. # [17:37] <@eeejay> yzen, i should hold off on reviewing?
  160. # [17:39] <yzen> eeejay: yes one sec, I'm updating latest patches atm
  161. # [17:39] <yzen> uploading*
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  163. # [17:41] <@marcoz> yzen: Wow, that was fast!
  164. # [17:41] <@firebot> yura.zenevich@gmail.com cancelled review?(eitan@monotonous.or g) for attachment 767192 on bug 830748.
  165. # [17:41] <@firebot> yura.zenevich@gmail.com requested review from eitan@monotonous.or g for attachment 767251 on bug 830748.
  166. # [17:42] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=830748 nor, --, ---, yura.zenevich, ASSI, [AccessFu] Improve reading of table semantics
  167. # [17:42] <@firebot> yura.zenevich@gmail.com cancelled review?(eitan@monotonous.or g) for attachment 767215 on bug 830748.
  168. # [17:42] <@firebot> yura.zenevich@gmail.com requested review from marco.zehe@googlema il.com for attachment 767252 on bug 830748.
  169. # [17:42] <yzen> marcoz, eeejay: should be good to go now
  170. # [17:43] <@eeejay> yzen, awesome, thanks
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  172. # [17:50] <@firebot> marco.zehe@googlemail.com granted review for attachment 767252 on bug 830748.
  173. # [17:51] <yzen> marcoz: thanks :)
  174. # [17:52] <@eeejay> yzen, how well does this all work with a description last utterance order?
  175. # [17:53] <yzen> eeejay: good question, do you think there might be an issue there?
  176. # [17:53] <@eeejay> yzen, dunno
  177. # [17:55] <yzen> eeejay: actually , in case of the cell and the table, we have up to 2 elements in utterance|braille: desc (of table or cell) and name if available, so the reversal should do what you'd expect i think. the whole tree reversal is as is for any other role i believe
  178. # [17:55] <@eeejay> yzen, we did enough rounds on this. so maybe spin off another bug with that?
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  180. # [17:55] <@eeejay> yzen, by other bug, fix it if it needs fixing, and if not just add tests.
  181. # [17:56] <yzen> eeejay: to test the non-default order for tables and cells ?
  182. # [17:56] <yzen> eeejay: sounds good
  183. # [17:56] <@eeejay> yzen, but i don't think we should block this, it looks great.
  184. # [17:56] <yzen> \o/
  185. # [17:56] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org granted review for attachment 767251 on bug 830748.
  186. # [17:56] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=830748 nor, --, ---, yura.zenevich, ASSI, [AccessFu] Improve reading of table semantics
  187. # [17:57] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org granted review for attachment 767252 on bug 830748.
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  189. # [18:00] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 886846 filed by yura.zenevich@gmail.com.
  190. # [18:00] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=886846 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [AccessFu] Verify (with tests) that the non-default output order works well for tables and cells.
  191. # [18:01] <yzen> eeejay: done
  192. # [18:02] <@eeejay> yzen, thanks :)
  193. # [18:02] <@marcoz> yzen: eeejay: YAY!
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  209. # [19:12] <@firebot> laura.lee.carlson@gmail.com changed the Resolution on bug 854848 from DUPLICATE to ---.
  210. # [19:12] <@firebot> laura.lee.carlson@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 854848 from RESOLVED to REOPENED.
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  212. # [19:12] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=854848 nor, --, ---, nobody, REOP, Support the longdesc attribute
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  219. # [19:54] <@davidb> eeejay: boooo
  220. # [19:56] <@eeejay> davidb, maxli, enjoy your canadian "baseball" game
  221. # [19:57] <@firebot> jboriss@mozilla.com granted ui-review for attachment 766475 on bug 877453.
  222. # [19:57] <@firebot> jboriss@mozilla.com cancelled feedback?(jboriss@mozilla.c om) for attachment 766475 on bug 877453.
  223. # [19:57] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=877453 nor, --, ---, maxli, NEW, Expose longdesc in image context menus
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  226. # [20:26] <@davidb> eeejay: i'm free. you?
  227. # [20:26] <@eeejay> davidb, yeah, let me fire up skype
  228. # [20:27] <@eeejay> davidb, ready on skype
  229. # [20:32] <@hub> you can ask the NSA for a free recording
  230. # [20:32] <@hub> :D
  231. # [20:41] <@firebot> maxli@maxli.ca requested review from gavin.sharp@gmail.c om for attachment 766475 on bug 877453.
  232. # [20:41] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=877453 nor, --, ---, maxli, NEW, Expose longdesc in image context menus
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  255. # [23:12] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com changed the Resolution on bug 857334 from --- to FIXED.
  256. # [23:12] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 857334 from ASSIGNED to RESOLVED.
  257. # [23:13] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 857334 from --- to mozilla25.
  258. # [23:13] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=857334 cri, --, ---, birunthan, ASSI, crash in mozilla::a11y::XULTextFieldAccessible::FrameSelection
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  263. # [23:46] <@firebot> jboriss@mozilla.com changed the Resolution on bug 884927 from --- to WONTFIX.
  264. # [23:46] <@firebot> jboriss@mozilla.com changed the Status on bug 884927 from UNCONFIRMED to RESOLVED.
  265. # [23:46] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=884927 nor, --, ---, nobody, RESO WONTFIX, Provide longdesc discoverability
  266. # Session Close: Wed Jun 26 00:00:00 2013

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