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- # Session Ident: #accessibility
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- # [01:19] <firebot> maxli@maxli.ca requested review from eitan@monotonous.or g for attachment 770506 on bug 886075.
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- # [01:19] <firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=886075 nor, --, ---, maxli, NEW, [AccessFu] Should be able to move caret with braille
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- # [13:22] <firebot> vseerror@lehigh.edu requested needinfo from r_rom@yahoo.com on bug 535433.
- # [13:22] <firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=535433 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Right Alt + arrow keys don't work when keyboard layout is Russian
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- # [14:47] <@marcoz> maxli: Hi!
- # [14:48] <maxli> Hi marcoz!
- # [14:49] <@marcoz> maxli: Question: I was running a local build with bug 886075 applied, but don't seem to get it to work. I don't see a caret on the braille display, and whenever I press a routing button over one of the elements of the text I entered, nothing audible seems to happen.
- # [14:49] <firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=886075 nor, --, ---, maxli, NEW, [AccessFu] Should be able to move caret with braille
- # [14:49] <@marcoz> maxli: Do I need other patches in concert with this one to get it working?
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- # [14:54] <maxli> marcoz: you shouldn't need anything else
- # [14:55] <@marcoz> maxli: Let me add: I *do* see a caret, blinking on the "E" of the word "Entry", which is the first text in the element's braille output that gets shown. Regardless of where within that output I press a routing key, it will remain on that first letter.
- # [14:56] <@marcoz> maxli: For testing, I use the search entry field on the "Add-Ons for your Fennec" page. It has a label of "Search for Add-Ons".
- # [14:57] <maxli> marcoz: I didn't do anything with respect to displaying the caret on the braille display. The first letter there is a remnant of focus indication (which should happen on any element)
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- # [14:58] <maxli> marcoz: So I assume we want to do that? (Chrome nor Android seem to do it so I wasn't sure)
- # [14:58] <maxli> marcoz: That being showing where the caret is
- # [15:01] <maxli> marcoz: And with respect to your question, just to make sure, since the braille doesn't update while editing yet, you're moving off the entry and back on before hitting anything right?
- # [15:07] <@marcoz> maxli: Yes I do. :) I was aware of *that* bug. Let me quickly check on other edit fields. So, the caret moves visually for you, then?
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- # [15:08] <@marcoz> maxli: Oh, on other text fields, pressing a routing button even gives an error sound. So I suppose even though it isn
- # [15:09] <@marcoz> isn't spoken, moving the caret actually works in text fields. What would be cool was if TalkBack spoke the letter moved to.
- # [15:10] <maxli> marcoz: Right now the audible feedback I get when testing is the same style as when moving by word, i.e. it reads everything you just passed over
- # [15:10] <maxli> marcoz: So you *should* hear something
- # [15:11] <@marcoz> maxli: Ah, but the caret doesn't move for me. It remains at the end. I tried clicking inside one of the other words I typed, but deleting a character always deletes from the end. Hmm.
- # [15:11] <@marcoz> maxli: Hm, I definitely don't hear anything.
- # [15:12] <@marcoz> maxli: What do you use to do the routing keys? Does BrailleBack have something visual to do it, or did Mozilla get a physical device?
- # [15:12] <maxli> marcoz: I've been using the virtual braille display provided by Brailleback
- # [15:13] <@marcoz> maxli: OK! I'll bring a physical device to Toronto so we can try this out with one and you can see the results. Meanwhile, you can also use the entry that I used to see if you also have it working there. Again, from the start page, go to "Add-Ons for your Fennec" and use the search box near the top left.
- # [15:14] <@marcoz> (after the page loads of course.)
- # [15:15] <maxli> marcoz: That is the page I've been primarily testing on, and it works for me
- # [15:17] <@marcoz> maxli: Very strange indeed!
- # [15:21] <@marcoz> maxli: Hold on, I believe something is wrong with the build that got installed to my device. I am clobbering and doing a very clean rebuild. Sorry should I have wasted your time with this!
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- # [16:05] <@marcoz> maxli: Now I see what you see. Very nice!
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- # [16:24] <@davidb> heyo
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- # [16:37] <@tbsaunde> morning
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- # [16:42] <firebot> dbolter@mozilla.com granted review for attachment 768086 on bug 887586.
- # [16:42] <firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=887586 nor, --, ---, eitan, NEW, [AccessFu] Don't hold a strong reference to previous accessible in VisualPresenter
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- # [17:33] <firebot> almasry.mina@gmail.com requested review from mounir@lamouri.fr for attachment 770829 on bug 291082.
- # [17:33] <firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=291082 nor, --, ---, almasry.mina, NEW, preventDefault doesn't block keyboard navigation in select-one drop-down lists
- # [17:34] <firebot> maxli@maxli.ca cancelled review?(eitan@monotonous.or g) for attachment 770506 on bug 886075.
- # [17:34] <firebot> maxli@maxli.ca requested review from eitan@monotonous.or g for attachment 770830 on bug 886075.
- # [17:34] <firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=886075 nor, --, ---, maxli, NEW, [AccessFu] Should be able to move caret with braille
- # [17:36] <firebot> almasry.mina@gmail.com cancelled review?(mounir@lamouri.fr) for attachment 770829 on bug 291082.
- # [17:36] <firebot> almasry.mina@gmail.com requested review from mounir@lamouri.fr for attachment 770833 on bug 291082.
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- # [18:45] <@eeejay> maxli, morning
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- # [18:45] <@eeejay> maxli, i'm assuming you ran the mochitests with the set cursor patch?
- # [18:45] <maxli> eeejay, hi, yes
- # [18:46] <firebot> eitan@monotonous.org granted review for attachment 770830 on bug 886075.
- # [18:46] <@eeejay> maxli, great :)
- # [18:46] <firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=886075 nor, --, ---, maxli, NEW, [AccessFu] Should be able to move caret with braille
- # [18:53] <firebot> maxli@maxli.ca requested review from bugmail.mozilla@sta ktrace.com for attachment 770830 on bug 886075.
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- # [20:03] <@davidb> hub: hi! are we gonna chat?
- # [20:04] <@davidb> (up to you)
- # [20:05] <@hub> sure
- # [20:05] <@hub> let's do it
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- # [20:06] <@eeejay> maxli, yo!
- # [20:07] <@eeejay> you around?
- # [20:07] <maxli> eeejay: yes
- # [20:07] <@eeejay> maxli, skype?
- # [20:07] <maxli> eeejau: ok
- # [20:07] <@davidb> hub: ok! sorry just saw your reply
- # [20:07] <firebot> andrew.quartey@gmail.com changed the Assignee on bug 873450 from nobody@mozilla.org to andrew.quartey@gmail.com.
- # [20:07] <firebot> andrew.quartey@gmail.com requested feedback from surkov.alexander@ gmail.com for attachment 770904 on bug 873450.
- # [20:07] <@davidb> hub: my vidyo room?
- # [20:07] <firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=873450 nor, --, ---, andrew.quartey, NEW, Implement IA2 containing relations
- # [20:07] <@hub> davidb: sure
- # [20:07] <@davidb> about to disconnect for a few minutes...
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- # [20:33] <firebot> bugmail.mozilla@staktrace.com granted review for attachment 770830 on bug 886075.
- # [20:33] <firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=886075 nor, --, ---, maxli, NEW, [AccessFu] Should be able to move caret with braille
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- # [22:05] <@firebot> gijskruitbosch+bugs@gmail.com changed the Component on bug 890018 from Untriaged to Disability Access.
- # [22:05] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=890018 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Firefox start page - basic accessibility faults to tweak
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- # [22:27] <@eeejay> maxli, you around?
- # [22:27] <maxli> eeejay: yes
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- # [22:27] <@eeejay> maxli, so i have been thinking about the granularity stuff
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- # [22:27] <@eeejay> maxli, and i have two things to say:
- # [22:28] <@eeejay> 1. yeah, i think we should use the pivot api for readonly text traversal
- # [22:29] <@eeejay> 2. accessfu mostly has good model-view-controller separation. so the selection changed presentation function should preferably be called from an observed event
- # [22:29] <@eeejay> .. as opposed to the moveCaret function, like it does now
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- # [22:44] <maxli> eeejay: okay, I think that makes sense
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