/irc-logs / mozilla / #accessibility / 2013-07-03 / end

Options:

  1. # Session Start: Wed Jul 03 00:00:00 2013
  2. # Session Ident: #accessibility
  3. # [00:11] * Quits: @surkov (surkov@moz-6EE3EE5C.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) (Quit: surkov)
  4. # [00:31] * Quits: habber-away (habber@moz-AD403C24.nyc.res.rr.com) (Quit: habber-away)
  5. # [00:44] * Quits: icaaq (Adium@moz-2EB07EA7.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) (Quit: Leaving.)
  6. # [00:51] * Quits: lizzard (ehenry@moz-5A4BE8E8.dsl.static.sonic.net) (Quit: lizzard)
  7. # [01:01] * Joins: maxli (maxli@B5559308.9C54E60.2FA4EA88.IP)
  8. # [01:01] * Joins: lizzard (ehenry@moz-5A4BE8E8.dsl.static.sonic.net)
  9. # [01:02] * Quits: maxli (maxli@B5559308.9C54E60.2FA4EA88.IP) (Max SendQ exceeded)
  10. # [01:19] <firebot> maxli@maxli.ca requested review from eitan@monotonous.or g for attachment 770506 on bug 886075.
  11. # [01:19] * Joins: scott_gonzalez (scott_gonz@moz-91C81A39.hrbgpa.fios.verizon.net)
  12. # [01:19] <firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=886075 nor, --, ---, maxli, NEW, [AccessFu] Should be able to move caret with braille
  13. # [01:20] * Quits: rednaks_ (rednaks@CC7C6CA7.30CD46D0.55FFA9B4.IP) (Quit: Téléportation !)
  14. # [01:39] * Quits: lizzard (ehenry@moz-5A4BE8E8.dsl.static.sonic.net) (Quit: lizzard)
  15. # [01:54] * Quits: Gijs (gijs@moz-C11B0461.dsl.alice.nl) (Quit: sleep)
  16. # [01:58] * Quits: scott_gonzalez (scott_gonz@moz-91C81A39.hrbgpa.fios.verizon.net) (Quit: scott_gonzalez)
  17. # [02:05] * Quits: Jesse (jruderman@2557E599.66715431.D25A875A.IP) (Broken pipe)
  18. # [02:11] * Joins: Jesse (jruderman@2557E599.66715431.D25A875A.IP)
  19. # [02:16] * Joins: lizzard (ehenry@moz-5A4BE8E8.dsl.static.sonic.net)
  20. # [02:18] * Quits: webatou (Instantbir@455F2973.12C6E01D.BF9F5BB8.IP) (Quit: Instantbird 1.4 -- http://www.instantbird.com)
  21. # [02:50] * Quits: lizzard (ehenry@moz-5A4BE8E8.dsl.static.sonic.net) (Quit: lizzard)
  22. # [03:02] * Quits: logbot (logbot@moz-58CB32ED.glob.com.au) (Ping timeout)
  23. # [03:10] * Joins: logbot (logbot@moz-58CB32ED.glob.com.au)
  24. # [03:59] * khuey is now known as khuey|away
  25. # [04:07] * Joins: lizzard (ehenry@moz-4DC508E2.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)
  26. # [04:10] * Joins: surkov (surkov@moz-6EE3EE5C.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com)
  27. # [04:10] * ChanServ sets mode: +o surkov
  28. # [04:11] * Quits: Jesse (jruderman@2557E599.66715431.D25A875A.IP) (Connection reset by peer)
  29. # [04:12] * Joins: Jesse_ (jruderman@2557E599.66715431.D25A875A.IP)
  30. # [04:17] * Quits: lizzard (ehenry@moz-4DC508E2.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) (Quit: lizzard)
  31. # [04:19] * Joins: lizzard (ehenry@moz-4DC508E2.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)
  32. # [04:20] * Quits: lizzard (ehenry@moz-4DC508E2.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) (Quit: lizzard)
  33. # [04:23] * Joins: lizzard (ehenry@moz-4DC508E2.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)
  34. # [04:48] * Quits: Jesse_ (jruderman@2557E599.66715431.D25A875A.IP) (Ping timeout)
  35. # [05:07] * Joins: darkowlzz (sunny@3BEBCD7C.2CC84CC4.C28A6AA4.IP)
  36. # [05:29] * Quits: @surkov (surkov@moz-6EE3EE5C.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) (Quit: surkov)
  37. # [06:30] * Quits: lizzard (ehenry@moz-4DC508E2.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) (Quit: lizzard)
  38. # [06:42] * khuey|away is now known as khuey
  39. # [06:44] * Quits: brambles (xymox@moz-969AAE9B.barwen.ch) (Ping timeout)
  40. # [06:44] * Quits: khuey (khuey@moz-DB4A9C19.scl3.mozilla.com) (Quit: leaving)
  41. # [06:44] * Joins: khuey|pto (khuey@moz-DB4A9C19.scl3.mozilla.com)
  42. # [06:44] * Quits: khuey|pto (khuey@moz-DB4A9C19.scl3.mozilla.com) (Quit: leaving)
  43. # [06:45] * Joins: khuey (khuey@moz-DB4A9C19.scl3.mozilla.com)
  44. # [06:45] * khuey is now known as khuey|pto
  45. # [06:45] * Joins: brambles (xymox@moz-969AAE9B.barwen.ch)
  46. # [06:52] * Quits: brambles (xymox@moz-969AAE9B.barwen.ch) (Ping timeout)
  47. # [06:54] * Joins: brambles (xymox@moz-969AAE9B.barwen.ch)
  48. # [07:03] * Joins: lizzard (ehenry@moz-5A4BE8E8.dsl.static.sonic.net)
  49. # [07:27] * Quits: peteb-away (ptbrunet@moz-B51E1692.austin.res.rr.com) (Ping timeout)
  50. # [07:36] * Quits: lizzard (ehenry@moz-5A4BE8E8.dsl.static.sonic.net) (Quit: lizzard)
  51. # [07:44] * Quits: yzen (yzen@AA2C085E.10C8AEF8.9A8C35B4.IP) (Quit: yzen)
  52. # [07:53] * Joins: lizzard (ehenry@moz-5A4BE8E8.dsl.static.sonic.net)
  53. # [08:15] * Quits: nhirata (anonymous@moz-1A50F7F8.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) (Quit: nhirata)
  54. # [10:00] * Joins: victorporof (victorporo@74A9C5E8.1745F5FA.9B1E38F4.IP)
  55. # [10:13] * Joins: Gijs (gijs@moz-C11B0461.dsl.alice.nl)
  56. # [10:30] * Quits: lizzard (ehenry@moz-5A4BE8E8.dsl.static.sonic.net) (Quit: lizzard)
  57. # [11:03] * Joins: lizzard (ehenry@moz-5A4BE8E8.dsl.static.sonic.net)
  58. # [11:05] * Joins: steven (chatzilla@moz-3F778890.cable.virginmedia.com)
  59. # [11:26] * Quits: steven (chatzilla@moz-3F778890.cable.virginmedia.com) (Client exited)
  60. # [11:34] * Quits: lizzard (ehenry@moz-5A4BE8E8.dsl.static.sonic.net) (Quit: lizzard)
  61. # [11:49] * Quits: darkowlzz (sunny@3BEBCD7C.2CC84CC4.C28A6AA4.IP) (Ping timeout)
  62. # [11:54] * Joins: steven (chatzilla@moz-3F778890.cable.virginmedia.com)
  63. # [12:29] * Quits: steven (chatzilla@moz-3F778890.cable.virginmedia.com) (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 22.0/20130618035212])
  64. # [12:51] * Joins: steven (chatzilla@moz-3F778890.cable.virginmedia.com)
  65. # [13:03] * Joins: rednaks (rednaks@B3AC1DD7.D19D2353.55FFA9B4.IP)
  66. # [13:11] * Joins: habber (habber@moz-AD403C24.nyc.res.rr.com)
  67. # [13:22] <firebot> vseerror@lehigh.edu requested needinfo from r_rom@yahoo.com on bug 535433.
  68. # [13:22] <firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=535433 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Right Alt + arrow keys don't work when keyboard layout is Russian
  69. # [13:48] * Quits: rednaks (rednaks@B3AC1DD7.D19D2353.55FFA9B4.IP) (Ping timeout)
  70. # [13:51] * Joins: rednaks (rednaks@B3AC1DD7.D19D2353.55FFA9B4.IP)
  71. # [13:58] * Joins: surkov (surkov@moz-6EE3EE5C.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com)
  72. # [13:58] * ChanServ sets mode: +o surkov
  73. # [14:03] * Joins: scott_gonzalez (scott_gonz@moz-91C81A39.hrbgpa.fios.verizon.net)
  74. # [14:12] * Quits: steven (chatzilla@moz-3F778890.cable.virginmedia.com) (Ping timeout)
  75. # [14:16] * Joins: maxli (maxli@F2D29657.F60B0462.67AC9B1.IP)
  76. # [14:19] * Quits: @surkov (surkov@moz-6EE3EE5C.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) (Quit: surkov)
  77. # [14:44] * Joins: surkov (surkov@F2D29657.F60B0462.67AC9B1.IP)
  78. # [14:44] * ChanServ sets mode: +o surkov
  79. # [14:44] * Joins: Justin_o (Justin_o@67828CC7.C1A51174.9D42CF23.IP)
  80. # [14:44] * Joins: marcoz (marco.zehe@moz-48D6CD32.dip0.t-ipconnect.de)
  81. # [14:44] * Quits: marcoz (marco.zehe@moz-48D6CD32.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) (Quit: Leaving.)
  82. # [14:44] * Joins: marcoz (marco.zehe@moz-48D6CD32.dip0.t-ipconnect.de)
  83. # [14:45] * ChanServ sets mode: +o marcoz
  84. # [14:47] <@marcoz> maxli: Hi!
  85. # [14:48] <maxli> Hi marcoz!
  86. # [14:49] <@marcoz> maxli: Question: I was running a local build with bug 886075 applied, but don't seem to get it to work. I don't see a caret on the braille display, and whenever I press a routing button over one of the elements of the text I entered, nothing audible seems to happen.
  87. # [14:49] <firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=886075 nor, --, ---, maxli, NEW, [AccessFu] Should be able to move caret with braille
  88. # [14:49] <@marcoz> maxli: Do I need other patches in concert with this one to get it working?
  89. # [14:52] * khuey|pto is now known as khuey
  90. # [14:54] <maxli> marcoz: you shouldn't need anything else
  91. # [14:55] <@marcoz> maxli: Let me add: I *do* see a caret, blinking on the "E" of the word "Entry", which is the first text in the element's braille output that gets shown. Regardless of where within that output I press a routing key, it will remain on that first letter.
  92. # [14:56] <@marcoz> maxli: For testing, I use the search entry field on the "Add-Ons for your Fennec" page. It has a label of "Search for Add-Ons".
  93. # [14:57] <maxli> marcoz: I didn't do anything with respect to displaying the caret on the braille display. The first letter there is a remnant of focus indication (which should happen on any element)
  94. # [14:58] * Joins: yzen (yzen@AA2C085E.10C8AEF8.9A8C35B4.IP)
  95. # [14:58] <maxli> marcoz: So I assume we want to do that? (Chrome nor Android seem to do it so I wasn't sure)
  96. # [14:58] <maxli> marcoz: That being showing where the caret is
  97. # [15:01] <maxli> marcoz: And with respect to your question, just to make sure, since the braille doesn't update while editing yet, you're moving off the entry and back on before hitting anything right?
  98. # [15:07] <@marcoz> maxli: Yes I do. :) I was aware of *that* bug. Let me quickly check on other edit fields. So, the caret moves visually for you, then?
  99. # [15:07] * Joins: steven (chatzilla@moz-3F778890.cable.virginmedia.com)
  100. # [15:08] <@marcoz> maxli: Oh, on other text fields, pressing a routing button even gives an error sound. So I suppose even though it isn
  101. # [15:09] <@marcoz> isn't spoken, moving the caret actually works in text fields. What would be cool was if TalkBack spoke the letter moved to.
  102. # [15:10] <maxli> marcoz: Right now the audible feedback I get when testing is the same style as when moving by word, i.e. it reads everything you just passed over
  103. # [15:10] <maxli> marcoz: So you *should* hear something
  104. # [15:11] <@marcoz> maxli: Ah, but the caret doesn't move for me. It remains at the end. I tried clicking inside one of the other words I typed, but deleting a character always deletes from the end. Hmm.
  105. # [15:11] <@marcoz> maxli: Hm, I definitely don't hear anything.
  106. # [15:12] <@marcoz> maxli: What do you use to do the routing keys? Does BrailleBack have something visual to do it, or did Mozilla get a physical device?
  107. # [15:12] <maxli> marcoz: I've been using the virtual braille display provided by Brailleback
  108. # [15:13] <@marcoz> maxli: OK! I'll bring a physical device to Toronto so we can try this out with one and you can see the results. Meanwhile, you can also use the entry that I used to see if you also have it working there. Again, from the start page, go to "Add-Ons for your Fennec" and use the search box near the top left.
  109. # [15:14] <@marcoz> (after the page loads of course.)
  110. # [15:15] <maxli> marcoz: That is the page I've been primarily testing on, and it works for me
  111. # [15:17] <@marcoz> maxli: Very strange indeed!
  112. # [15:21] <@marcoz> maxli: Hold on, I believe something is wrong with the build that got installed to my device. I am clobbering and doing a very clean rebuild. Sorry should I have wasted your time with this!
  113. # [15:21] * Joins: darkowlzz (sunny@835F16AE.8DFD8FE3.EACE93BE.IP)
  114. # [15:40] * habber is now known as habber-away
  115. # [15:52] * Joins: davidb (davidb@F2D29657.F60B0462.67AC9B1.IP)
  116. # [15:52] * ChanServ sets mode: +qo davidb davidb
  117. # [15:57] * Joins: icaaq (Adium@moz-2EB07EA7.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se)
  118. # [15:59] * Joins: clown (clown@67828CC7.C1A51174.9D42CF23.IP)
  119. # [15:59] * clown is now known as clown_mtg
  120. # [16:05] <@marcoz> maxli: Now I see what you see. Very nice!
  121. # [16:08] * Quits: yzen (yzen@AA2C085E.10C8AEF8.9A8C35B4.IP) (Quit: yzen)
  122. # [16:11] * Joins: peteb-away (ptbrunet@moz-B51E1692.austin.res.rr.com)
  123. # [16:24] <@davidb> heyo
  124. # [16:31] * Joins: kborchers (kborchers@moz-ADF30951.nap.wideopenwest.com)
  125. # [16:37] <@tbsaunde> morning
  126. # [16:37] * habber-away is now known as habber
  127. # [16:42] <firebot> dbolter@mozilla.com granted review for attachment 768086 on bug 887586.
  128. # [16:42] <firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=887586 nor, --, ---, eitan, NEW, [AccessFu] Don't hold a strong reference to previous accessible in VisualPresenter
  129. # [16:46] * Quits: darkowlzz (sunny@835F16AE.8DFD8FE3.EACE93BE.IP) (Ping timeout)
  130. # [16:47] * Joins: darkowlzz (sunny@835F16AE.8DFD8FE3.EACE93BE.IP)
  131. # [16:53] * Quits: @surkov (surkov@F2D29657.F60B0462.67AC9B1.IP) (Quit: surkov)
  132. # [16:54] * Joins: yzen (yzen@21869443.A6295926.9D42CF23.IP)
  133. # [16:56] * Joins: surkov (surkov@F2D29657.F60B0462.67AC9B1.IP)
  134. # [16:56] * ChanServ sets mode: +o surkov
  135. # [16:56] * Quits: yzen (yzen@21869443.A6295926.9D42CF23.IP) (Ping timeout)
  136. # [16:56] * Joins: yzen (yzen@67828CC7.C1A51174.9D42CF23.IP)
  137. # [16:58] * Joins: lizzard (ehenry@moz-5A4BE8E8.dsl.static.sonic.net)
  138. # [17:00] * Quits: Gijs (gijs@moz-C11B0461.dsl.alice.nl) (Ping timeout)
  139. # [17:01] * Joins: Gijs (gijs@moz-C11B0461.dsl.alice.nl)
  140. # [17:09] * Joins: Jesse (jruderman@moz-537BCF9.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)
  141. # [17:33] <firebot> almasry.mina@gmail.com requested review from mounir@lamouri.fr for attachment 770829 on bug 291082.
  142. # [17:33] <firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=291082 nor, --, ---, almasry.mina, NEW, preventDefault doesn't block keyboard navigation in select-one drop-down lists
  143. # [17:34] <firebot> maxli@maxli.ca cancelled review?(eitan@monotonous.or g) for attachment 770506 on bug 886075.
  144. # [17:34] <firebot> maxli@maxli.ca requested review from eitan@monotonous.or g for attachment 770830 on bug 886075.
  145. # [17:34] <firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=886075 nor, --, ---, maxli, NEW, [AccessFu] Should be able to move caret with braille
  146. # [17:36] <firebot> almasry.mina@gmail.com cancelled review?(mounir@lamouri.fr) for attachment 770829 on bug 291082.
  147. # [17:36] <firebot> almasry.mina@gmail.com requested review from mounir@lamouri.fr for attachment 770833 on bug 291082.
  148. # [17:49] * Quits: @surkov (surkov@F2D29657.F60B0462.67AC9B1.IP) (Quit: surkov)
  149. # [17:51] * Quits: darkowlzz (sunny@835F16AE.8DFD8FE3.EACE93BE.IP) (Ping timeout)
  150. # [17:51] * Joins: surkov (surkov@F2D29657.F60B0462.67AC9B1.IP)
  151. # [17:51] * ChanServ sets mode: +o surkov
  152. # [17:51] * khuey is now known as khuey|pto
  153. # [17:53] * Joins: darkowlzz (sunny@835F16AE.8DFD8FE3.EACE93BE.IP)
  154. # [17:53] * Quits: @marcoz (marco.zehe@moz-48D6CD32.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) (Quit: Leaving.)
  155. # [18:01] * Joins: marcoz (marco.zehe@moz-48D6CD32.dip0.t-ipconnect.de)
  156. # [18:03] * Quits: marcoz (marco.zehe@moz-48D6CD32.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) (Quit: Leaving.)
  157. # [18:05] * Quits: @surkov (surkov@F2D29657.F60B0462.67AC9B1.IP) (Quit: surkov)
  158. # [18:17] * Quits: lizzard (ehenry@moz-5A4BE8E8.dsl.static.sonic.net) (Quit: lizzard)
  159. # [18:36] * Quits: Gijs (gijs@moz-C11B0461.dsl.alice.nl) (Quit: poof)
  160. # [18:38] * Quits: fxa90id (fxa90id@moz-4EE0E8AD.mannet.pl) (Ping timeout)
  161. # [18:40] * Joins: fxa90id (fxa90id@moz-44CC49D0.dsl.dynamic.t-mobile.pl)
  162. # [18:43] * Quits: darkowlzz (sunny@835F16AE.8DFD8FE3.EACE93BE.IP) (Connection reset by peer)
  163. # [18:44] * Joins: lizzard (ehenry@moz-5A4BE8E8.dsl.static.sonic.net)
  164. # [18:44] * Quits: kborchers (kborchers@moz-ADF30951.nap.wideopenwest.com) (Ping timeout)
  165. # [18:45] <@eeejay> maxli, morning
  166. # [18:45] * Joins: kborchers (kborchers@moz-ADF30951.nap.wideopenwest.com)
  167. # [18:45] <@eeejay> maxli, i'm assuming you ran the mochitests with the set cursor patch?
  168. # [18:45] <maxli> eeejay, hi, yes
  169. # [18:46] <firebot> eitan@monotonous.org granted review for attachment 770830 on bug 886075.
  170. # [18:46] <@eeejay> maxli, great :)
  171. # [18:46] <firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=886075 nor, --, ---, maxli, NEW, [AccessFu] Should be able to move caret with braille
  172. # [18:53] <firebot> maxli@maxli.ca requested review from bugmail.mozilla@sta ktrace.com for attachment 770830 on bug 886075.
  173. # [18:54] * Joins: surkov (surkov@F2D29657.F60B0462.67AC9B1.IP)
  174. # [18:54] * ChanServ sets mode: +o surkov
  175. # [19:03] * Quits: Justin_o (Justin_o@67828CC7.C1A51174.9D42CF23.IP) (Quit: Justin_o)
  176. # [19:08] * habber is now known as habber-away
  177. # [19:10] * Quits: clown_mtg (clown@67828CC7.C1A51174.9D42CF23.IP) (Quit: Leaving.)
  178. # [19:11] * Quits: steven (chatzilla@moz-3F778890.cable.virginmedia.com) (Ping timeout)
  179. # [19:17] * khuey|pto is now known as khuey
  180. # [19:17] * khuey is now known as khuey|on-a-boat
  181. # [19:21] * khuey|on-a-boat is now known as khuey|pto
  182. # [19:25] * Quits: sgimeno (santiago.g@A922400D.48362F18.BCC03455.IP) (Quit: KVIrc 4.0.2 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/)
  183. # [19:26] * habber-away is now known as habber
  184. # [19:34] * Joins: SteveF (chatzilla@moz-3F778890.cable.virginmedia.com)
  185. # [19:37] * Quits: yzen (yzen@67828CC7.C1A51174.9D42CF23.IP) (Ping timeout)
  186. # [19:41] * Quits: @surkov (surkov@F2D29657.F60B0462.67AC9B1.IP) (Quit: surkov)
  187. # [19:44] * Joins: clown (clown@67828CC7.C1A51174.9D42CF23.IP)
  188. # [19:47] * Quits: icaaq (Adium@moz-2EB07EA7.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) (Quit: Leaving.)
  189. # [19:50] * Joins: yzen (yzen@67828CC7.C1A51174.9D42CF23.IP)
  190. # [19:52] * Joins: Justin_o (Justin_o@67828CC7.C1A51174.9D42CF23.IP)
  191. # [19:54] * Quits: Justin_o (Justin_o@67828CC7.C1A51174.9D42CF23.IP) (Quit: Justin_o)
  192. # [20:03] <@davidb> hub: hi! are we gonna chat?
  193. # [20:04] <@davidb> (up to you)
  194. # [20:05] <@hub> sure
  195. # [20:05] <@hub> let's do it
  196. # [20:05] * Joins: darkowlzz (sunny@3F811C3C.1522A761.EACE93BE.IP)
  197. # [20:06] <@eeejay> maxli, yo!
  198. # [20:07] <@eeejay> you around?
  199. # [20:07] <maxli> eeejay: yes
  200. # [20:07] <@eeejay> maxli, skype?
  201. # [20:07] <maxli> eeejau: ok
  202. # [20:07] <@davidb> hub: ok! sorry just saw your reply
  203. # [20:07] <firebot> andrew.quartey@gmail.com changed the Assignee on bug 873450 from nobody@mozilla.org to andrew.quartey@gmail.com.
  204. # [20:07] <firebot> andrew.quartey@gmail.com requested feedback from surkov.alexander@ gmail.com for attachment 770904 on bug 873450.
  205. # [20:07] <@davidb> hub: my vidyo room?
  206. # [20:07] <firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=873450 nor, --, ---, andrew.quartey, NEW, Implement IA2 containing relations
  207. # [20:07] <@hub> davidb: sure
  208. # [20:07] <@davidb> about to disconnect for a few minutes...
  209. # [20:08] * khuey|pto is now known as khuey|on-a-boat
  210. # [20:08] * khuey|on-a-boat is now known as khuey|airport
  211. # [20:09] * Joins: davidb_ (davidb@F2D29657.F60B0462.67AC9B1.IP)
  212. # [20:09] * Quits: @davidb (davidb@F2D29657.F60B0462.67AC9B1.IP) (Ping timeout)
  213. # [20:09] * davidb_ is now known as davidb
  214. # [20:16] * Quits: yzen (yzen@67828CC7.C1A51174.9D42CF23.IP) (Ping timeout)
  215. # [20:33] <firebot> bugmail.mozilla@staktrace.com granted review for attachment 770830 on bug 886075.
  216. # [20:33] <firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=886075 nor, --, ---, maxli, NEW, [AccessFu] Should be able to move caret with braille
  217. # [20:40] * Quits: darkowlzz (sunny@3F811C3C.1522A761.EACE93BE.IP) (Connection reset by peer)
  218. # [20:47] * Joins: yzen (yzen@AA2C085E.10C8AEF8.9A8C35B4.IP)
  219. # [20:58] * Joins: davidb|mobile (yaaic@92EDF357.F7EBA23.C3C3A9D0.IP)
  220. # [21:08] * Joins: darkowlzz (sunny@93CE7049.D264A0C2.EACE93BE.IP)
  221. # [21:17] * Quits: davidb|mobile (yaaic@92EDF357.F7EBA23.C3C3A9D0.IP) (Ping timeout)
  222. # [21:28] * Quits: lizzard (ehenry@moz-5A4BE8E8.dsl.static.sonic.net) (Quit: lizzard)
  223. # [21:29] * Quits: firebot (firebot@moz-F8C1AF63.carolina.res.rr.com) (Quit: BBL. Going down for a bit. (Koala))
  224. # [21:36] * Joins: firebot (firebot@moz-F8C1AF63.carolina.res.rr.com)
  225. # [21:36] * ChanServ sets mode: +o firebot
  226. # [21:41] * Quits: SteveF (chatzilla@moz-3F778890.cable.virginmedia.com) (Ping timeout)
  227. # [21:43] * Quits: @firebot (firebot@moz-F8C1AF63.carolina.res.rr.com) (Ping timeout)
  228. # [21:44] * Joins: Gijs (gijs@moz-C11B0461.dsl.alice.nl)
  229. # [21:48] * Quits: brambles (xymox@moz-969AAE9B.barwen.ch) (Ping timeout)
  230. # [21:49] * Joins: brambles (xymox@moz-969AAE9B.barwen.ch)
  231. # [21:50] * Joins: firebot (firebot@moz-F8C1AF63.carolina.res.rr.com)
  232. # [21:50] * ChanServ sets mode: +o firebot
  233. # [21:59] * khuey|airport is now known as khuey|pto
  234. # [22:00] * Quits: Jesse (jruderman@moz-537BCF9.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) (Quit: Jesse)
  235. # [22:02] * Quits: darkowlzz (sunny@93CE7049.D264A0C2.EACE93BE.IP) (Ping timeout)
  236. # [22:05] <@firebot> gijskruitbosch+bugs@gmail.com changed the Component on bug 890018 from Untriaged to Disability Access.
  237. # [22:05] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=890018 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Firefox start page - basic accessibility faults to tweak
  238. # [22:05] * Joins: icaaq (Adium@moz-2EB07EA7.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se)
  239. # [22:05] * Quits: habber (habber@moz-AD403C24.nyc.res.rr.com) (Quit: habber)
  240. # [22:06] * Joins: SteveF (chatzilla@moz-3F778890.cable.virginmedia.com)
  241. # [22:11] * Quits: SteveF (chatzilla@moz-3F778890.cable.virginmedia.com) (Ping timeout)
  242. # [22:15] * Joins: Wolf_ (chatzilla@moz-F8C1AF63.carolina.res.rr.com)
  243. # [22:19] * Wolf_ is now known as Wolf
  244. # [22:23] * Quits: Wolf (chatzilla@moz-F8C1AF63.carolina.res.rr.com) (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2-rdmsoft [XULRunner 12.0/20120420145725])
  245. # [22:23] * Joins: Wolf (wolf@moz-F8C1AF63.carolina.res.rr.com)
  246. # [22:25] * Quits: rednaks (rednaks@B3AC1DD7.D19D2353.55FFA9B4.IP) (Ping timeout)
  247. # [22:26] * Joins: rednaks (rednaks@48E34798.A496AA39.55FFA9B4.IP)
  248. # [22:27] <@eeejay> maxli, you around?
  249. # [22:27] <maxli> eeejay: yes
  250. # [22:27] * Wolf is now known as Wolf_
  251. # [22:27] <@eeejay> maxli, so i have been thinking about the granularity stuff
  252. # [22:27] * Wolf_ is now known as Wolf
  253. # [22:27] <@eeejay> maxli, and i have two things to say:
  254. # [22:28] <@eeejay> 1. yeah, i think we should use the pivot api for readonly text traversal
  255. # [22:29] <@eeejay> 2. accessfu mostly has good model-view-controller separation. so the selection changed presentation function should preferably be called from an observed event
  256. # [22:29] <@eeejay> .. as opposed to the moveCaret function, like it does now
  257. # [22:29] * Quits: icaaq (Adium@moz-2EB07EA7.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) (Quit: Leaving.)
  258. # [22:36] * Quits: rednaks (rednaks@48E34798.A496AA39.55FFA9B4.IP) (Ping timeout)
  259. # [22:38] * Quits: davidb (davidb@F2D29657.F60B0462.67AC9B1.IP) (Quit: davidb)
  260. # [22:43] * Joins: icaaq (Adium@moz-2EB07EA7.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se)
  261. # [22:44] * khuey|pto is now known as khuey|airport
  262. # [22:44] * khuey|airport is now known as khuey|in-the-sky
  263. # [22:44] <maxli> eeejay: okay, I think that makes sense
  264. # [22:44] * Parts: clown (clown@67828CC7.C1A51174.9D42CF23.IP)
  265. # [22:49] * Joins: rednaks (rednaks@CEDF5D3E.80CEACC9.55FFA9B4.IP)
  266. # [22:59] * Quits: maxli (maxli@F2D29657.F60B0462.67AC9B1.IP) (Quit: Leaving.)
  267. # [23:01] * Joins: Jesse (jruderman@2557E599.66715431.D25A875A.IP)
  268. # [23:01] * Quits: Wolf (wolf@moz-F8C1AF63.carolina.res.rr.com) (NickServ (GHOST command used by Wolf1))
  269. # [23:01] * Joins: Wolf_ (wolf@moz-F8C1AF63.carolina.res.rr.com)
  270. # [23:02] * Wolf_ is now known as Wolf
  271. # [23:14] * Quits: brambles (xymox@moz-969AAE9B.barwen.ch) (Ping timeout)
  272. # [23:17] * khuey|in-the-sky is now known as khuey|pto
  273. # [23:26] * Quits: icaaq (Adium@moz-2EB07EA7.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) (Quit: Leaving.)
  274. # [23:40] * Joins: lizzard (ehenry@moz-5A4BE8E8.dsl.static.sonic.net)
  275. # [23:42] * Joins: SteveF (chatzilla@moz-3F778890.cable.virginmedia.com)
  276. # [23:44] * Quits: lizzard (ehenry@moz-5A4BE8E8.dsl.static.sonic.net) (Quit: lizzard)
  277. # [23:44] * Joins: maxli (maxli@B5559308.9C54E60.2FA4EA88.IP)
  278. # [23:46] * Joins: lizzard (ehenry@moz-5A4BE8E8.dsl.static.sonic.net)
  279. # [23:53] * Quits: SteveF (chatzilla@moz-3F778890.cable.virginmedia.com) (Client exited)
  280. # Session Close: Thu Jul 04 00:00:00 2013

The end :)