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  1. # Session Start: Thu Jul 04 00:00:00 2013
  2. # Session Ident: #accessibility
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  7. # [00:29] <@firebot> maxli@maxli.ca requested review from eitan@monotonous.or g for attachment 771066 on bug 886074.
  8. # [00:29] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=886074 nor, --, ---, maxli, NEW, [AccessFu] Braille should update when editing
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  24. # [01:44] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com cancelled feedback?(surkov.alexander@ gmail.com) for attachment 770904 on bug 873450.
  25. # [01:44] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=873450 nor, --, ---, andrew.quartey, NEW, Implement IA2 containing relations
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  96. # [15:03] <@marcoz> Good day all!
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  98. # [15:10] <@marcoz> Heyo davidb|mobile!
  99. # [15:11] <davidb|mobile> heyo!
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  105. # [15:49] <@davidb> july 4th is the quiet
  106. # [15:51] <Gijs> I know. :(
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  110. # [15:54] <icaaq> hello :)
  111. # [15:55] <yzen> marcoz: hi
  112. # [15:55] <icaaq> I was looking at this pull request https://github.com/mozilla/bedrock/pull/1034/files#L0R27
  113. # [15:56] <icaaq> <figure>
  114. # [15:56] <icaaq> <img src="{{ media('/img/styleguide/products/firefoxos/backgrounds/main-light.png') }}" alt="" />
  115. # [15:56] <icaaq> <figcaption>{{ _('Light app screen') }}</figcaption>
  116. # [15:56] <icaaq> </figure>
  117. # [15:56] <icaaq> but here it really adds semantic to know that it is an image.
  118. # [15:58] <icaaq> how would you suggest to mark it up? add a alt-attribute value and aria-hidden on figcaption?
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  120. # [15:58] <icaaq> ping SteveF ^
  121. # [15:59] <icaaq> or maybe role="img" on figcaption
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  127. # [16:05] <SteveF> icaaq: in the case above using an alt="" is incorrect as the img is the subject of the figure
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  129. # [16:08] <icaaq> SteveF: ok, so this is ok? how is this presented in different AT
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  131. # [16:09] <@marcoz> Hi yzen! How are the landmarks coming along? :)
  132. # [16:09] <SteveF> icaaq: in the case you show it would make sense to simply leave the alt off (ok in HTML5 to do so if the image is in a figure with a figcaption and there is no suitable alt text)
  133. # [16:09] <yzen> marcoz: you knew i was about to ask you about them :). so as far as i understand i need to take a look at the xml-roles attribute is that right ?
  134. # [16:11] <SteveF> icaaq , but the markup pattern is not yet well supported. there are some suggestions here http://dev.w3.org/html5/alt-techniques/developer.html#m6
  135. # [16:12] <@marcoz> yzen: Correct!
  136. # [16:12] <yzen> marcoz: can the accessible have a multiple landmark roles ever?
  137. # [16:13] <@marcoz> yzen: I don't think so. Something cannot be banner and main at the same time, for example.
  138. # [16:13] <icaaq> SteveF: thanks.
  139. # [16:13] <yzen> marcoz: cool
  140. # [16:14] <SteveF> icaaq: from looking at the example you provided it would make sense to have alt="background" so a screen reader would read something like "graphic background - figcaption text"
  141. # [16:14] <yzen> marcoz: so at this point output generator for each accessible will have an array of [some description, some name], is the landmark a 3rd entry in the output array for an element or does it belong to the description ?
  142. # [16:14] <@marcoz> yzen: However, something can have a landmark role and another role at the same time I think. In which case the roles would be concatenated by space or some other delimiter. However, no two landmark roles are legal at once.
  143. # [16:15] <SteveF> icaaq: thats if it is possible to populate the alt attribute with something useful that differentiates the images based on what they are
  144. # [16:15] <icaaq> SteveF: Yes, and add a role="group". I'll try it out
  145. # [16:16] <@marcoz> yzen: In other screen readers, landmark info is the very first thing spoken before any info about the current accessible. But only when it changes. So once one enters a region of main, this is announced once. So in our case, it would be the first thing with utterance order 0, and the question is, should it also be the first thing in utterance order 1… Hmm…It's not a role per se, rather a region announcement.
  146. # [16:18] <yzen> marcoz: ya i wonder if keeping it first in order 1 would be a little confusing
  147. # [16:18] <yzen> marcoz: with the current way pivot is generated all elements in the landmark's subtree will have it announced only once since afterwards it will be a common ancestor and thus not announced afaik
  148. # [16:22] <@marcoz> yzen: Yeah stick to our current paradigm with landmarks, should be OK.
  149. # [16:23] <yzen> marcoz: sounds good
  150. # [16:40] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com granted in-testsuite on bug 877976.
  151. # [16:40] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=877976 nor, --, ---, surkov.alexander, NEW, getTextAtOffset line boundary fails on last line of the document
  152. # [16:40] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com cancelled review?(trev.saunders@gmail .com) for attachment 756397 on bug 877976.
  153. # [16:43] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com changed the Assignee on bug 889512 from nobody@mozilla.org to surkov.alexander@gmail.com.
  154. # [16:43] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 889512 from NEW to ASSIGNED.
  155. # [16:43] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=889512 nor, --, ---, surkov.alexander, ASSI, no focus event for google's moving textbox
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  165. # [17:58] <@marcoz> OK, logging off, packing up. Will travel to Toronto on Saturday. See you all on Monday at latest!
  166. # [18:14] <@firebot> scoobidiver@netcourrier.com set status-firefox25 to affected on bug 881636.
  167. # [18:14] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=881636 cri, --, ---, nobody, NEW, crash in mozilla::a11y::DocAccessible::UpdateTree
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  170. # [18:49] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 890353 filed by surkov.alexander@gmail.com.
  171. # [18:49] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=890353 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, move get text for line boundary tests into separate file
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  173. # [19:12] <@firebot> philringnalda@gmail.com changed the Resolution on bug 887592 from --- to FIXED.
  174. # [19:12] <@firebot> philringnalda@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 887592 from NEW to RESOLVED.
  175. # [19:12] <@firebot> philringnalda@gmail.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 887592 from --- to mozilla25.
  176. # [19:12] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=887592 nor, --, mozilla25, eitan, RESO FIXED, [AccessFu] Non-vc change events to get through to EventManager in desktop
  177. # [19:12] <@firebot> philringnalda@gmail.com changed the Resolution on bug 887586 from --- to FIXED.
  178. # [19:12] <@firebot> philringnalda@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 887586 from NEW to RESOLVED.
  179. # [19:12] <@firebot> philringnalda@gmail.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 887586 from --- to mozilla25.
  180. # [19:12] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=887586 nor, --, mozilla25, eitan, RESO FIXED, [AccessFu] Don't hold a strong reference to previous accessible in VisualPresenter
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  195. # [20:50] <@tbsaunde> surkov: hey, was I suposed to review that google text field patch?
  196. # [20:51] <@surkov> tbsaunde: yes
  197. # [20:51] <@surkov> tbsaunde: fixed :)
  198. # [20:51] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com requested review from trev.saunders@gmail .com for attachment 771359 on bug 889512.
  199. # [20:51] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=889512 nor, --, ---, surkov.alexander, ASSI, no focus event for google's moving textbox
  200. # [20:52] <@tbsaunde> surkov: k, thanks
  201. # [20:52] <@surkov> thanks to you
  202. # [20:53] <@davidb> tbsaunde: happy 4th of July!
  203. # [20:54] <@tbsaunde> yeah :)
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  210. # [22:12] <@firebot> andrew.quartey@gmail.com requested feedback from surkov.alexander@ gmail.com for attachment 771468 on bug 873450.
  211. # [22:12] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=873450 nor, --, ---, andrew.quartey, NEW, Implement IA2 containing relations
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