/irc-logs / mozilla / #accessibility / 2013-07-08 / end

Options:

  1. # Session Start: Mon Jul 08 00:00:00 2013
  2. # Session Ident: #accessibility
  3. # [00:02] * Quits: peter (peter@6E374044.22362280.3783712E.IP) (Ping timeout)
  4. # [00:23] * khuey|pto is now known as khuey
  5. # [00:24] * khuey is now known as khuey|pto
  6. # [00:24] * khuey|pto is now known as khuey
  7. # [00:24] * Joins: surkov (surkov@moz-6EE3EE5C.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com)
  8. # [00:24] * ChanServ sets mode: +o surkov
  9. # [00:24] * Quits: khuey (khuey@moz-DB4A9C19.scl3.mozilla.com) (Quit: leaving)
  10. # [00:25] * Joins: khuey (khuey@moz-DB4A9C19.scl3.mozilla.com)
  11. # [00:29] * khuey is now known as khuey|ewr
  12. # [00:31] * Joins: peter (peter@6E374044.22362280.3783712E.IP)
  13. # [00:32] * Quits: @surkov (surkov@moz-6EE3EE5C.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) (Quit: surkov)
  14. # [00:39] * Quits: peter (peter@6E374044.22362280.3783712E.IP) (Ping timeout)
  15. # [01:08] * khuey|ewr is now known as khuey|away
  16. # [01:09] * Joins: peter (peter@6E374044.22362280.3783712E.IP)
  17. # [01:17] * Quits: peter (peter@6E374044.22362280.3783712E.IP) (Ping timeout)
  18. # [01:46] * Joins: peter (peter@6E374044.22362280.3783712E.IP)
  19. # [01:55] * Quits: peter (peter@6E374044.22362280.3783712E.IP) (Ping timeout)
  20. # [01:57] * khuey|away is now known as khuey|ewr
  21. # [02:06] * Quits: @hub (hub@E639FEDB.F04051C4.DC1243F8.IP) (Quit: Leaving)
  22. # [02:13] * Joins: surkov (surkov@moz-6EE3EE5C.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com)
  23. # [02:13] * ChanServ sets mode: +o surkov
  24. # [02:13] * Quits: @surkov (surkov@moz-6EE3EE5C.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) (Quit: surkov)
  25. # [02:13] * Quits: maxli (maxli@B5559308.9C54E60.2FA4EA88.IP) (Quit: Leaving.)
  26. # [02:25] * Joins: peter (peter@6E374044.22362280.3783712E.IP)
  27. # [02:26] * khuey|ewr is now known as khuey
  28. # [02:26] * khuey is now known as khuey|away
  29. # [02:34] * Quits: peter (peter@6E374044.22362280.3783712E.IP) (Ping timeout)
  30. # [02:51] * Joins: surkov (surkov@moz-6EE3EE5C.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com)
  31. # [02:51] * ChanServ sets mode: +o surkov
  32. # [02:54] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com granted in-testsuite on bug 877977.
  33. # [02:54] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=877977 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, getTextAtOffset line end boundary returns wrong end offset
  34. # [02:56] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com changed the Assignee on bug 877977 from nobody@mozilla.org to surkov.alexander@gmail.com.
  35. # [03:03] * Joins: peter (peter@6E374044.22362280.3783712E.IP)
  36. # [03:09] * Joins: hub (hub@moz-E12780DE.cable.teksavvy.com)
  37. # [03:09] * ChanServ sets mode: +o hub
  38. # [03:12] * Quits: peter (peter@6E374044.22362280.3783712E.IP) (Ping timeout)
  39. # [03:16] * Quits: @surkov (surkov@moz-6EE3EE5C.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) (Quit: surkov)
  40. # [03:38] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com changed the Resolution on bug 875794 from --- to FIXED.
  41. # [03:38] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 875794 from ASSIGNED to RESOLVED.
  42. # [03:38] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 875794 from --- to mozilla25.
  43. # [03:38] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=875794 maj, --, mozilla25, surkov.alexander, RESO FIXED, get text at offset for line boundary fails on last empty line
  44. # [03:41] * Joins: peter (peter@6E374044.22362280.3783712E.IP)
  45. # [03:50] * Quits: peter (peter@6E374044.22362280.3783712E.IP) (Ping timeout)
  46. # [03:53] * khuey|away is now known as khuey
  47. # [04:01] * Joins: Jamie (Instantbir@moz-CA26021.jantrid.net)
  48. # [04:20] * Joins: peter (peter@6E374044.22362280.3783712E.IP)
  49. # [04:28] * Quits: peter (peter@6E374044.22362280.3783712E.IP) (Ping timeout)
  50. # [04:29] * Quits: Jesse (jruderman@moz-537BCF9.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) (Quit: Jesse)
  51. # [04:37] * Joins: Jesse (jruderman@moz-537BCF9.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)
  52. # [04:48] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 890760 filed by jruderman@gmail.com.
  53. # [04:48] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=890760 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, "ASSERTION: No nsIAccessibleText for selection change event!"
  54. # [04:58] * Joins: peter (peter@6E374044.22362280.3783712E.IP)
  55. # [04:58] * Quits: peteb-away (ptbrunet@moz-B51E1692.austin.res.rr.com) (Client exited)
  56. # [05:07] * Joins: peteb-away (ptbrunet@moz-B51E1692.austin.res.rr.com)
  57. # [05:07] * Quits: peter (peter@6E374044.22362280.3783712E.IP) (Ping timeout)
  58. # [05:22] * khuey is now known as khuey|away
  59. # [05:26] * Quits: kborchers (kborchers@moz-ADF30951.nap.wideopenwest.com) (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.)
  60. # [05:34] * Joins: kborchers (kborchers@moz-ADF30951.nap.wideopenwest.com)
  61. # [05:36] * Joins: peter (peter@6E374044.22362280.3783712E.IP)
  62. # [05:46] * Quits: peter (peter@6E374044.22362280.3783712E.IP) (Ping timeout)
  63. # [06:15] * Joins: peter (peter@6E374044.22362280.3783712E.IP)
  64. # [06:16] * Quits: peteb-away (ptbrunet@moz-B51E1692.austin.res.rr.com) (Client exited)
  65. # [06:24] * Quits: peter (peter@6E374044.22362280.3783712E.IP) (Ping timeout)
  66. # [06:54] * Joins: peter (peter@6E374044.22362280.3783712E.IP)
  67. # [07:03] * Quits: peter (peter@6E374044.22362280.3783712E.IP) (Ping timeout)
  68. # Session Close: Mon Jul 08 07:21:50 2013
  69. #
  70. # Session Start: Mon Jul 08 07:21:50 2013
  71. # Session Ident: #accessibility
  72. # [07:21] * Disconnected
  73. # [12:06] * Attempting to rejoin channel #accessibility
  74. # [12:06] * Rejoined channel #accessibility
  75. # [12:06] * Topic is 'build the web for everyone | goals: http://is.gd/Z9USZ5'
  76. # [12:06] * Set by davidb on Thu Jun 27 15:28:58
  77. # Session Close: Mon Jul 08 12:23:09 2013
  78. #
  79. # Session Start: Mon Jul 08 12:23:09 2013
  80. # Session Ident: #accessibility
  81. # [12:23] * Disconnected
  82. # [12:24] * Attempting to rejoin channel #accessibility
  83. # [12:24] * Rejoined channel #accessibility
  84. # [12:24] * Topic is 'build the web for everyone | goals: http://is.gd/Z9USZ5'
  85. # [12:24] * Set by davidb on Thu Jun 27 15:28:58
  86. # [12:36] * khuey is now known as khuey|away
  87. # [13:07] * Joins: icaaq (Adium@moz-2EB07EA7.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se)
  88. # [13:08] * Quits: kborchers (kborchers@moz-ADF30951.nap.wideopenwest.com) (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.)
  89. # [13:09] * Joins: kborchers (kborchers@moz-ADF30951.nap.wideopenwest.com)
  90. # [13:18] * Joins: SteveF (chatzilla@moz-3F778890.cable.virginmedia.com)
  91. # [14:07] * Joins: surkov (surkov@F2D29657.F60B0462.67AC9B1.IP)
  92. # [14:07] * ChanServ sets mode: +o surkov
  93. # [14:16] <Gijs> surkov: ping? :)
  94. # [14:16] <@surkov> Gijs: pong
  95. # [14:16] * Quits: victorporof (victorporo@74A9C5E8.1745F5FA.9B1E38F4.IP) (Quit: victorporof)
  96. # [14:17] * Joins: Justin_o (Justin_o@67828CC7.C1A51174.9D42CF23.IP)
  97. # [14:17] <Gijs> surkov: could you have a look at this needinfo?marco that I made over the weekend? I realized later that maybe this is more your domain, but I'm not sure. To do with XBL-exposed nsIAccessibleProviders... : https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=890476#c12
  98. # [14:17] <@firebot> Bug 890476 nor, --, ---, gijskruitbosch+bugs, NEW, Don't build the menubar on OS X
  99. # [14:18] <@surkov> Gijs: sure I will
  100. # [14:26] <@surkov> Gijs: not sure I can be helpful here but commented my thoughts
  101. # [14:26] <Gijs> surkov: OK, thanks for taking a look! :)
  102. # [14:26] <Gijs> The 0 height toolbar... well... this is more or less how it's always been, I'm pretty sure.
  103. # [14:27] <Gijs> I don't know why it's not just collapsed, but I guess it has to do with building the real application menu from it.
  104. # [14:27] <Gijs> Is marcoz in Toronto, or did I make that up? :)
  105. # [14:28] <Gijs> surkov: oh, hang on... I can just use DOMI to check whether there's an accessible created for it, right? :)
  106. # [14:30] <@surkov> Gijs: technically yes but I guess some extra stuff might happen on OS X level
  107. # [14:30] <Gijs> Aha.
  108. # [14:30] <Gijs> Yeah, it shows up in DOMI as an accessible object but without a name and with no children. :s
  109. # [14:33] * Joins: maxli (maxli@F2D29657.F60B0462.67AC9B1.IP)
  110. # [14:34] * Joins: scott_gonzalez (scott_gonz@moz-91C81A39.hrbgpa.fios.verizon.net)
  111. # [14:35] * Quits: maxli (maxli@F2D29657.F60B0462.67AC9B1.IP) (Ping timeout)
  112. # [14:35] * Joins: peteb-away (ptbrunet@moz-B51E1692.austin.res.rr.com)
  113. # [14:35] * Joins: victorporof (victorporo@F32D7940.1C233438.79933D60.IP)
  114. # [14:36] * Joins: maxli (maxli@F2D29657.F60B0462.67AC9B1.IP)
  115. # [14:41] * Joins: rednaks (rednaks@2BFFE0C9.74C6FD40.360EF119.IP)
  116. # [14:42] * Quits: Jesse (jruderman@moz-537BCF9.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) (Quit: Jesse)
  117. # [14:49] * Quits: @surkov (surkov@F2D29657.F60B0462.67AC9B1.IP) (Quit: surkov)
  118. # [14:49] * Quits: rednaks (rednaks@2BFFE0C9.74C6FD40.360EF119.IP) (Quit: Téléportation !)
  119. # [14:50] * Quits: icaaq (Adium@moz-2EB07EA7.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) (Quit: Leaving.)
  120. # [14:50] * Quits: maxli (maxli@F2D29657.F60B0462.67AC9B1.IP) (Quit: Leaving.)
  121. # [14:59] * Joins: surkov (surkov@F2D29657.F60B0462.67AC9B1.IP)
  122. # [14:59] * ChanServ sets mode: +o surkov
  123. # [15:00] * Joins: yzen (yzen@F2D29657.F60B0462.67AC9B1.IP)
  124. # [15:05] * Quits: peteb-away (ptbrunet@moz-B51E1692.austin.res.rr.com) (Ping timeout)
  125. # [15:08] * Joins: maxli (maxli@F2D29657.F60B0462.67AC9B1.IP)
  126. # [15:18] * Joins: marcoz (marco.zehe@F2D29657.F60B0462.67AC9B1.IP)
  127. # [15:19] * ChanServ sets mode: +o marcoz
  128. # [15:19] * Joins: davidb (davidb@F2D29657.F60B0462.67AC9B1.IP)
  129. # [15:19] * ChanServ sets mode: +qo davidb davidb
  130. # [15:22] <@davidb> marcoz: shall we do our 1:1 randomly this week?
  131. # [15:24] * Joins: marcoz1 (marco.zehe@F2D29657.F60B0462.67AC9B1.IP)
  132. # [15:24] * Quits: @marcoz (marco.zehe@F2D29657.F60B0462.67AC9B1.IP) (Connection reset by peer)
  133. # [15:26] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 890901 filed by eitan@monotonous.org.
  134. # [15:26] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=890901 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [AccessFu] Support continuous reading in Android
  135. # [15:27] * Joins: peteb-away (ptbrunet@moz-B51E1692.austin.res.rr.com)
  136. # [15:35] <marcoz1> davidb: Yup! :)
  137. # [15:35] * marcoz1 is now known as MarcoZ
  138. # [15:35] * ChanServ sets mode: +o MarcoZ
  139. # [15:35] <@davidb> ok
  140. # [15:36] * Joins: icaaq (Adium@moz-2EB07EA7.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se)
  141. # [15:36] <@firebot> yura.zenevich@gmail.com changed the Assignee on bug 890696 from nobody@mozilla.org to yura.zenevich@gmail.com.
  142. # [15:36] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=890696 maj, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [AccessFu] Web app support broken in current nightlies for Android
  143. # [15:44] * khuey|away is now known as khuey
  144. # [15:45] <@davidb> surkov, MarcoZ, eeejay, yzen, maxli, tbsaunde we could build our agenda for the week. what would you like to get done this week?
  145. # [15:45] * @eeejay is open to tasks/agenda/tired
  146. # [15:45] <@davidb> for example, help MarcoZ get his ff os build setup
  147. # [15:45] <@eeejay> ok!
  148. # [15:46] <@davidb> i will build the agenda from your ideas :)
  149. # [15:49] <@davidb> ok! easy week! :)
  150. # [15:49] <@MarcoZ> davidb, et al: I'd say go through some more commonly voiced feedback and file (and fix?) bugs like eeejayjust did with bug 890901. Specifically focused on Android.
  151. # [15:49] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=890901 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [AccessFu] Support continuous reading in Android
  152. # [15:49] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org cancelled review?(eitan@monotonous.or g) for attachment 771066 on bug 886074.
  153. # [15:50] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=886074 nor, --, ---, maxli, NEW, [AccessFu] Braille should update when editing
  154. # [15:50] <@davidb> ok so I'll mark this down as an android triage/test push?
  155. # [15:50] <@davidb> at some point, as is tradition, i'd like to blue sky with all of you
  156. # [15:51] <@davidb> high altitude look at a11y landscape
  157. # [15:51] <@davidb> just an hour or so
  158. # [15:52] <@firebot> yura.zenevich@gmail.com changed the Assignee on bug 890901 from nobody@mozilla.org to yura.zenevich@gmail.com.
  159. # [15:53] <yzen> MarcoZ: do you have any additional comments re bug 890901, ill try to take a look at it shortly
  160. # [15:54] <@MarcoZ> yzen: Not currently, no.
  161. # [16:03] <@tbsaunde> davidb: no firm plans, and I can talk to surkov pretty much whenever I guess
  162. # [16:03] <@davidb> indeed
  163. # [16:04] <@surkov> yep, it'd be nice to hang and chat
  164. # [16:06] * Quits: @MarcoZ (marco.zehe@F2D29657.F60B0462.67AC9B1.IP) (Quit: Leaving.)
  165. # [16:06] * Joins: clown (clown@67828CC7.C1A51174.9D42CF23.IP)
  166. # [16:06] * clown is now known as clown_mtg
  167. # [16:12] * Joins: marcoz (marco.zehe@F2D29657.F60B0462.67AC9B1.IP)
  168. # [16:13] * ChanServ sets mode: +o marcoz
  169. # [16:13] * Joins: jongund (chatzilla@moz-97EEA285.rehab.uiuc.edu)
  170. # [16:13] <@firebot> yura.zenevich@gmail.com changed the Resolution on bug 890901 from --- to WONTFIX.
  171. # [16:13] <@firebot> yura.zenevich@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 890901 from NEW to RESOLVED.
  172. # [16:13] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=890901 nor, --, ---, yura.zenevich, RESO WONTFIX, [AccessFu] Support continuous reading in Android
  173. # [16:14] <@davidb> tbsaunde: what was that growl?
  174. # [16:17] * Quits: maxli (maxli@F2D29657.F60B0462.67AC9B1.IP) (Quit: Leaving.)
  175. # [16:17] <Gijs> marcoz: thanks for the quick response on the needinfo! :)
  176. # [16:28] * Quits: @marcoz (marco.zehe@F2D29657.F60B0462.67AC9B1.IP) (Quit: Leaving.)
  177. # [16:43] * Quits: icaaq (Adium@moz-2EB07EA7.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) (Quit: Leaving.)
  178. # [16:47] * Joins: maxli (maxli@F2D29657.F60B0462.67AC9B1.IP)
  179. # [16:47] * Joins: marcoz (marco.zehe@F2D29657.F60B0462.67AC9B1.IP)
  180. # [16:48] * ChanServ sets mode: +o marcoz
  181. # [16:52] * ChanServ sets mode: +o marcoz
  182. # [16:59] * Joins: habber (habber@moz-61D4AFD6.lightspeed.wlfrct.sbcglobal.net)
  183. # [17:01] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 890940 filed by maxli@maxli.ca.
  184. # [17:01] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=890940 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [AccessFu] Visual bounds box is very wrong
  185. # [17:02] <@surkov> davidb: did you know that native semantics wins over ARIA nowadays (http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/#mapping_conflicts)?
  186. # [17:02] <@davidb> surkov: this is something i continuously argue against
  187. # [17:03] <@surkov> it seems not very successfully :)
  188. # [17:03] <@davidb> surkov: there were cases we implemented first… like landmarks not overriding a <table>
  189. # [17:03] <@davidb> success would require me to watchdog too much
  190. # [17:03] <@surkov> landmarks add semantics so they should be different
  191. # [17:03] <@davidb> agreed
  192. # [17:03] <@davidb> surkov: what are the cases in this doc? /me reads
  193. # [17:04] <@surkov> like aria-checked and checked on input
  194. # [17:04] <@surkov> personally I'm fine if checked on input wins aria-checked
  195. # [17:05] <@davidb> yeah i'm not totally happy with that myself
  196. # [17:05] <@davidb> but it sounds like a weird edge case
  197. # [17:06] <@davidb> because: if you can use checked, don't use aria-checked… so if they *do* use aria-checked… then the only reason is to explain a weird situation
  198. # [17:06] <@davidb> (only valid reason)
  199. # [17:06] <@davidb> surkov: so this section of the guide is saying the host language can specify places aria does not override, correct?
  200. # [17:07] <@surkov> davidb: seems so
  201. # [17:07] <@surkov> read from: When WAI-ARIA states and properties correspond to host language features that have the same implicit WAI-ARIA semantic, it can be problematic if the values become out of sync.
  202. # [17:07] <@davidb> ARIA has become very non-simple
  203. # [17:08] <@davidb> I can be okay with allowing native to win direct conflict. okay but not happy :)
  204. # [17:08] <@davidb> anyways it is an error case really, or a bad pattern
  205. # [17:09] <@surkov> it's just weird if sighted and blind users have the same control in different states
  206. # [17:09] <@surkov> not sure why it's needed
  207. # [17:09] <@davidb> (to me it is a bit like saying here is an image, src="happy.jpg" alt="sad face")
  208. # [17:09] <@davidb> (I would respect the alt text)
  209. # [17:10] <@surkov> yep sort of
  210. # [17:12] <@davidb> surkov: the editor of ARIA disagrees with me, so a hard battle.
  211. # [17:12] <@surkov> I bet
  212. # [17:13] <@surkov> davidb: we need to have a bug then? or are we going to battle?
  213. # [17:14] <@davidb> surkov: what do you think?
  214. # [17:14] * Joins: icaaq (Adium@moz-2EB07EA7.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se)
  215. # [17:14] <@surkov> davidb: well, I think I'm fine that native semantics wins over ARIA when they are in conflict
  216. # [17:14] * Joins: lizzard (ehenry@moz-5A4BE8E8.dsl.static.sonic.net)
  217. # [17:14] <@davidb> ok yeah and battle is more costly
  218. # [17:14] <@davidb> a bug then.
  219. # [17:16] <SteveF> davidb:surkov: thats only for roles no?
  220. # [17:17] <SteveF> for states and properties native wins
  221. # [17:17] <SteveF> "When a host language declares a WAI-ARIA attribute to be in direct semantic conflict with a native attribute for a given element, user agents MUST ignore the WAI-ARIA attribute and instead use the host language attribute with the same implicit semantic. "
  222. # [17:17] <@davidb> that's right
  223. # [17:18] <SteveF> so where is the conflict?
  224. # [17:18] <@davidb> SteveF: we like aria to always win
  225. # [17:18] <@davidb> but anyways.
  226. # [17:19] <SteveF> davidb: ok i misread alex's point anyway - ignore me
  227. # [17:19] <@davidb> heheh
  228. # [17:21] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org granted feedback for attachment 771615 on bug 888256.
  229. # [17:21] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=888256 nor, --, ---, yura.zenevich, NEW, [AccessFu] Speak landmarks
  230. # [17:21] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 890949 filed by dbolter@mozilla.com.
  231. # [17:21] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=890949 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Spec conformance: make native win when in direct conflict with "aria-" semantic.
  232. # [17:26] <@firebot> mounir@lamouri.fr requested review from neil@httl.net for attachment 771980 on bug 291082.
  233. # [17:26] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=291082 nor, --, ---, almasry.mina, NEW, preventDefault doesn't block keyboard navigation in select-one drop-down lists
  234. # [17:28] <@surkov> davidb: I'm curious why Rich doesn't have tests for those
  235. # [17:28] <@surkov> is test suite finsihed?
  236. # [17:28] <@davidb> not sure
  237. # [17:29] <@davidb> it is fairly exhaustive but maybe it is based on spec tables more than paragraphs.
  238. # [17:29] <@surkov> I see
  239. # [17:47] <@davidb> marcoz: should i check that box?
  240. # [17:48] * Quits: SteveF (chatzilla@moz-3F778890.cable.virginmedia.com) (Ping timeout)
  241. # [17:49] <@firebot> marco.zehe@googlemail.com granted feedback for attachment 771615 on bug 888256.
  242. # [17:49] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=888256 nor, --, ---, yura.zenevich, NEW, [AccessFu] Speak landmarks
  243. # [17:53] * Joins: SteveF (chatzilla@moz-3F778890.cable.virginmedia.com)
  244. # [17:55] <@tbsaunde> davidb: fwiw I'd argue for checked and aria-checked being an error with undefined behaviour, but I'd probably just have us let aria over ride just to avoid a bunch of special cases
  245. # [17:57] <@davidb> it is good to have interoperability on error handlign
  246. # [17:57] <@davidb> but yeah
  247. # [17:59] <@tbsaunde> I guess, you have a little bit of a point, but I care more about perf than idiots
  248. # [18:01] <@davidb> approved
  249. # [18:05] <@marcoz> davidb: Have a working Firefox OS build env. Guess I can go home now. ;)
  250. # [18:07] * Joins: nhirata (anonymous@moz-BE33DA21.fw1.sfo1.mozilla.net)
  251. # [18:08] <@davidb> lol
  252. # [18:16] * habber is now known as habber-lunch
  253. # [18:18] * Quits: clown_mtg (clown@67828CC7.C1A51174.9D42CF23.IP) (Quit: Leaving.)
  254. # [18:26] * habber-lunch is now known as habber
  255. # [18:29] <@firebot> jsmith@mozilla.com changed the Resolution on bug 890696 from --- to DUPLICATE.
  256. # [18:29] <@firebot> jsmith@mozilla.com changed the Status on bug 890696 from NEW to RESOLVED.
  257. # [18:30] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=890696 maj, --, ---, yura.zenevich, RESO DUPLICATE, [AccessFu] Web app support broken in current nightlies for Android
  258. # [18:30] * Joins: clown (clown@67828CC7.C1A51174.9D42CF23.IP)
  259. # [18:34] * Quits: icaaq (Adium@moz-2EB07EA7.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) (Quit: Leaving.)
  260. # [18:46] * Joins: Jesse (jruderman@moz-537BCF9.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)
  261. # [18:48] <@firebot> maxli@maxli.ca requested review from eitan@monotonous.or g for attachment 772133 on bug 886074.
  262. # [18:48] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=886074 nor, --, ---, maxli, NEW, [AccessFu] Braille should update when editing
  263. # [19:04] * Quits: habber (habber@moz-61D4AFD6.lightspeed.wlfrct.sbcglobal.net) (Quit: habber)
  264. # [19:05] * Joins: habber (habber@moz-61D4AFD6.lightspeed.wlfrct.sbcglobal.net)
  265. # [19:11] * Quits: Jesse (jruderman@moz-537BCF9.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) (Quit: Jesse)
  266. # [19:12] * Quits: sgimeno (santiago.g@A922400D.48362F18.BCC03455.IP) (Quit: KVIrc 4.0.2 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/)
  267. # [19:27] * Joins: rednaks (rednaks@3A7A0381.80CEACC9.55FFA9B4.IP)
  268. # [19:33] <@surkov> tbsaunde: it shouldn't be slower if we had a right impl, for example if we had a flag of what we checked already then checking the flag is cheaper than checking the attribute
  269. # [19:38] * Joins: Jesse (jruderman@2557E599.66715431.D25A875A.IP)
  270. # [19:45] * Quits: Justin_o (Justin_o@67828CC7.C1A51174.9D42CF23.IP) (Quit: Justin_o)
  271. # [19:50] <@firebot> almasry.mina@gmail.com cancelled review?(neil@httl.net) for attachment 771980 on bug 291082.
  272. # [19:50] <@firebot> almasry.mina@gmail.com requested review from mounir@lamouri.fr for attachment 772176 on bug 291082.
  273. # [19:50] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=291082 nor, --, ---, almasry.mina, NEW, preventDefault doesn't block keyboard navigation in select-one drop-down lists
  274. # [19:58] * Quits: kborchers (kborchers@moz-ADF30951.nap.wideopenwest.com) (Ping timeout)
  275. # [20:04] * Joins: kborchers (kborchers@moz-ADF30951.nap.wideopenwest.com)
  276. # [20:07] * Joins: Justin_o (Justin_o@67828CC7.C1A51174.9D42CF23.IP)
  277. # [20:08] * Quits: SteveF (chatzilla@moz-3F778890.cable.virginmedia.com) (Ping timeout)
  278. # [20:09] * Quits: peteb-away (ptbrunet@moz-B51E1692.austin.res.rr.com) (Ping timeout)
  279. # [20:17] * Quits: kborchers (kborchers@moz-ADF30951.nap.wideopenwest.com) (Ping timeout)
  280. # [20:19] <@tbsaunde> surkov: I'm not sure how that would work
  281. # [20:20] <@surkov> tbsaunde: I don't' have specific steps in my mind, anyway I wouldn't change anything until it prevents ARIA from getting a standard
  282. # [20:27] <@tbsaunde> surkov: ok
  283. # [20:27] <@tbsaunde> surkov: btw what test suit do you mean in bug 810268?
  284. # [20:27] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=810268 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, there's no way to know unselected item when selection in single selection was changed
  285. # [20:27] <@surkov> tbsaunde: ARIA's one
  286. # [20:29] <@tbsaunde> surkov: interesting
  287. # [20:29] <@surkov> tbsaunde: why?
  288. # [20:32] * Joins: SteveF (chatzilla@moz-3F778890.cable.virginmedia.com)
  289. # [20:32] * Quits: Justin_o (Justin_o@67828CC7.C1A51174.9D42CF23.IP) (Quit: Justin_o)
  290. # [20:35] * Joins: Justin_o (Justin_o@67828CC7.C1A51174.9D42CF23.IP)
  291. # [20:36] * Joins: kborchers (kborchers@moz-37935663.public.wayport.net)
  292. # [20:37] <@tbsaunde> surkov: I just don't get how there test is testing it
  293. # [20:39] <@surkov> tbsaunde: it seems not automated test suite
  294. # [20:39] <@surkov> it's just a web page and somebody checks it with a tool
  295. # [20:39] <@tbsaunde> k
  296. # [20:43] * Quits: brambles (xymox@moz-969AAE9B.barwen.ch) (Ping timeout)
  297. # [20:44] * Joins: brambles (xymox@moz-969AAE9B.barwen.ch)
  298. # [20:44] * Joins: davidb|mobile (yaaic@moz-2D72EAD3.eng.wind.ca)
  299. # [20:44] * Quits: jongund (chatzilla@moz-97EEA285.rehab.uiuc.edu) (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 22.0/20130618035212])
  300. # [20:48] * Quits: Justin_o (Justin_o@67828CC7.C1A51174.9D42CF23.IP) (Quit: Justin_o)
  301. # [20:50] * Quits: brambles (xymox@moz-969AAE9B.barwen.ch) (Ping timeout)
  302. # [20:51] * Joins: brambles (xymox@moz-969AAE9B.barwen.ch)
  303. # [20:52] * Quits: habber (habber@moz-61D4AFD6.lightspeed.wlfrct.sbcglobal.net) (Quit: habber)
  304. # [20:52] * Joins: habber (habber@moz-61D4AFD6.lightspeed.wlfrct.sbcglobal.net)
  305. # [20:54] * Joins: peteb-away (ptbrunet@AAE05152.BEB894DE.856E8949.IP)
  306. # [21:00] * Quits: davidb|mobile (yaaic@moz-2D72EAD3.eng.wind.ca) (Ping timeout)
  307. # [21:01] * Quits: SteveF (chatzilla@moz-3F778890.cable.virginmedia.com) (Ping timeout)
  308. # [21:07] * Joins: icaaq (Adium@moz-2EB07EA7.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se)
  309. # [21:08] * Joins: SteveF (chatzilla@moz-3F778890.cable.virginmedia.com)
  310. # [21:22] * Quits: peteb-away (ptbrunet@AAE05152.BEB894DE.856E8949.IP) (Ping timeout)
  311. # [21:36] <@firebot> scoobidiver@netcourrier.com changed the Component on bug 888981 from Untriaged to Disability Access APIs.
  312. # [21:36] <@firebot> scoobidiver@netcourrier.com changed the Product on bug 888981 from Firefox to Core.
  313. # [21:36] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=888981 cri, --, ---, trev.saunders, NEW, DownThemAll! causes browser to hang indefinitely
  314. # [21:39] * Quits: SteveF (chatzilla@moz-3F778890.cable.virginmedia.com) (Ping timeout)
  315. # [21:48] * Joins: peteb-away (ptbrunet@moz-B51E1692.austin.res.rr.com)
  316. # [21:48] * Quits: brambles (xymox@moz-969AAE9B.barwen.ch) (Ping timeout)
  317. # [21:49] * Joins: brambles (xymox@moz-969AAE9B.barwen.ch)
  318. # [22:12] * Joins: SteveF (chatzilla@moz-3F778890.cable.virginmedia.com)
  319. # [22:17] * Quits: SteveF (chatzilla@moz-3F778890.cable.virginmedia.com) (Ping timeout)
  320. # [22:18] * Quits: habber (habber@moz-61D4AFD6.lightspeed.wlfrct.sbcglobal.net) (Ping timeout)
  321. # [22:19] * Joins: habber (habber@moz-61D4AFD6.lightspeed.wlfrct.sbcglobal.net)
  322. # [22:21] * Quits: icaaq (Adium@moz-2EB07EA7.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) (Quit: Leaving.)
  323. # [22:26] * Quits: habber (habber@moz-61D4AFD6.lightspeed.wlfrct.sbcglobal.net) (Ping timeout)
  324. # [22:28] <@tbsaunde> q0/win 20
  325. # [22:30] <@davidb> sounds like we are getting a storm in about 30 minutes
  326. # [22:30] <@tbsaunde> planning on heading out soon?
  327. # [22:31] <@davidb> yes i will catch my express bus today
  328. # [22:31] <@davidb> i'll stay late tues weds thurs
  329. # [22:31] <@davidb> i could come back downtown tonight but probably a good rest evening.
  330. # [22:32] <@tbsaunde> what is this rest of which you speak?
  331. # [22:32] <@davidb> heh
  332. # [22:32] * Quits: @davidb (davidb@F2D29657.F60B0462.67AC9B1.IP) (Quit: davidb)
  333. # [22:32] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com changed the Resolution on bug 877977 from --- to FIXED.
  334. # [22:32] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 877977 from NEW to RESOLVED.
  335. # [22:33] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 877977 from --- to mozilla25.
  336. # [22:33] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=877977 nor, --, mozilla25, surkov.alexander, RESO FIXED, getTextAtOffset line end boundary returns wrong end offset
  337. # [22:34] * Joins: icaaq (Adium@moz-2EB07EA7.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se)
  338. # [22:36] * Joins: habber (habber@moz-61D4AFD6.lightspeed.wlfrct.sbcglobal.net)
  339. # [22:36] * Quits: yzen (yzen@F2D29657.F60B0462.67AC9B1.IP) (Quit: yzen)
  340. # [22:39] * Quits: @marcoz (marco.zehe@F2D29657.F60B0462.67AC9B1.IP) (Quit: Leaving.)
  341. # [22:41] * Joins: davidb|mobile (yaaic@moz-2D72EAD3.eng.wind.ca)
  342. # [22:46] <davidb|mobile> caught my express bus. rain just starting.
  343. # [22:47] <davidb|mobile> worst of it might pass north of us
  344. # [22:47] * Quits: @surkov (surkov@F2D29657.F60B0462.67AC9B1.IP) (Quit: surkov)
  345. # [22:59] * khuey is now known as khuey|away
  346. # [23:02] * Parts: clown (clown@67828CC7.C1A51174.9D42CF23.IP)
  347. # [23:08] * Quits: davidb|mobile (yaaic@moz-2D72EAD3.eng.wind.ca) (Ping timeout)
  348. # [23:21] * Quits: icaaq (Adium@moz-2EB07EA7.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) (Quit: Leaving.)
  349. # [23:21] * khuey|away is now known as khuey
  350. # [23:22] * Joins: yzen (yzen@AA2C085E.10C8AEF8.9A8C35B4.IP)
  351. # [23:27] * Joins: SteveF (chatzilla@moz-3F778890.cable.virginmedia.com)
  352. # [23:31] * Quits: kborchers (kborchers@moz-37935663.public.wayport.net) (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.)
  353. # [23:35] * Quits: SteveF (chatzilla@moz-3F778890.cable.virginmedia.com) (Ping timeout)
  354. # [23:39] * Joins: kborchers (kborchers@moz-ADF30951.nap.wideopenwest.com)
  355. # [23:50] <@firebot> maxli@maxli.ca cancelled review?(eitan@monotonous.or g) for attachment 772133 on bug 886074.
  356. # [23:50] <@firebot> maxli@maxli.ca requested review from eitan@monotonous.or g for attachment 772348 on bug 886074.
  357. # [23:50] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=886074 nor, --, ---, maxli, NEW, [AccessFu] Braille should update when editing
  358. # [23:54] * Quits: maxli (maxli@F2D29657.F60B0462.67AC9B1.IP) (Quit: Leaving.)
  359. # [23:56] * Quits: yzen (yzen@AA2C085E.10C8AEF8.9A8C35B4.IP) (Quit: yzen)
  360. # [23:57] * Quits: habber (habber@moz-61D4AFD6.lightspeed.wlfrct.sbcglobal.net) (Quit: habber)
  361. # Session Close: Tue Jul 09 00:00:00 2013

The end :)