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  4. # [00:04] <@tbsaunde> we're screwing around with editability of tree grids again? :/
  5. # [00:05] <@davidb> tbsaunde: oh sorry if you have opinion… i shouldn't steal your review
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  58. # [10:58] <SteveF> morning all: anybody able to give me a rough idea of Firefox acc support on FF OS?
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  61. # [12:09] <@firebot> emorley@mozilla.com changed the Resolution on bug 891335 from --- to FIXED.
  62. # [12:10] <@firebot> emorley@mozilla.com changed the Status on bug 891335 from NEW to RESOLVED.
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  64. # [12:10] <@firebot> emorley@mozilla.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 891335 from --- to mozilla25.
  65. # [12:10] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=891335 nor, --, mozilla25, yura.zenevich, RESO FIXED, [AccessFu] Make lists with only one item use the singular form of "List one item"
  66. # [12:10] <@firebot> emorley@mozilla.com changed the Resolution on bug 874474 from --- to FIXED.
  67. # [12:10] <@firebot> emorley@mozilla.com changed the Status on bug 874474 from NEW to RESOLVED.
  68. # [12:10] <@firebot> emorley@mozilla.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 874474 from --- to mozilla25.
  69. # [12:10] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=874474 nor, --, mozilla25, yura.zenevich, RESO FIXED, [AccessFu] Make description last be the default utterance order.
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  104. # [14:58] <@firebot> jmathies@mozilla.com changed the Component on bug 817737 from Input to Disability Access APIs.
  105. # [14:58] <@firebot> jmathies@mozilla.com changed the Product on bug 817737 from Firefox for Metro to Core.
  106. # [14:58] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=817737 nor, --, ---, rsilveira, ASSI, Work - OSK should not be dismissed when gmail To: address autocomplete pops up
  107. # [15:01] <@firebot> yura.zenevich@gmail.com changed the Assignee on bug 795957 from nobody@mozilla.org to yura.zenevich@gmail.com.
  108. # [15:01] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=795957 nor, --, ---, yura.zenevich, NEW, [AccessFu] Support live regions
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  116. # [15:21] <SteveF> davidb: hi , updated this today http://blog.paciellogroup.com/2012/02/rough-guide-browsers-operating-systems-and-screen-reader-support/ please have a look at the Firefox related info and if you or anybody else thinks its funky please speak up
  117. # [15:22] <@davidb> thanks
  118. # [15:22] <@davidb> marcoz: ^
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  120. # [15:22] <@davidb> SteveF: is the doc itself accessible?
  121. # [15:23] <SteveF> davidb: ? in what way
  122. # [15:24] <SteveF> davidb: its (hopeflly) corrcetly marked up and structured html
  123. # [15:24] <@davidb> ok good
  124. # [15:24] <@davidb> just thought i'd ask :)
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  127. # [15:43] <@MarcoZ> SteveF: What is missing in your opinion to give Firefox for Android a "Supported" rather than a "partially supported"? ;-) We just recently landed landmarks support on Nightly, table semantics are now also exposed, and as you can see here, Firefox 24 learned a lot, too: http://www.marcozehe.de/2013/06/21/new-features-for-talkback-users-in-firefox-for-android-24/
  128. # [15:43] <@davidb> SteveF: I can't read the partial support and not applicable parts of the icons
  129. # [15:44] <@davidb> i concur re: android
  130. # [15:45] <@davidb> SteveF: for FF OS i would say not really usable but that the info is still public
  131. # [15:45] <@davidb> but i don't think there is an icon for that pairing
  132. # [15:45] <@davidb> eeejay or marcoz might have a different opinion
  133. # [15:46] <@MarcoZ> davidb: SteveF: Not really, except that feature-wise, what we expose is the same on Firefox for Android as well as Firefox OS. So both expose the same set of utterances for HTML features.
  134. # [15:47] <@davidb> eeejay: what is the permanent name of our ffos screen reader? i demand a bike shed
  135. # [15:48] <@eeejay> davidb, "Screen Reader"
  136. # [15:48] <@eeejay> i'm trademarking that term as we speak
  137. # [15:48] <@davidb> exciting!
  138. # [15:48] <@eeejay> yeah, why do we only get partial support in ff for android?
  139. # [15:53] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 892491 filed by marco.zehe@googlemail.com.
  140. # [15:53] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=892491 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [AccessFu] Add quick navigation item for landmarks
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  142. # [16:02] <@davidb> firebot: SteveF?
  143. # [16:02] <@firebot> davidb: Sorry, I've no idea what 'SteveF' might be.
  144. # [16:04] <SteveF> davidb: ?
  145. # [16:05] <SteveF> eejay: thats why I asked you guys to look at it
  146. # [16:05] <@davidb> SteveF: yeah thanks… the questions are just feedback really
  147. # [16:05] <@davidb> firebot: SteveF?
  148. # [16:05] <@firebot> davidb: SteveF is a crazy accessibility guy.
  149. # [16:05] <@davidb> right
  150. # [16:05] <SteveF> eeejay: its nased on my incomplete knowledge
  151. # [16:05] <SteveF> davidb: thanks :-)
  152. # [16:05] <@davidb> :)
  153. # [16:06] <SteveF> eeejay:davidb: so if you guys say hey this should be x then it shall be
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  156. # [16:07] <@davidb> I actually defer to Marco here.
  157. # [16:07] <SteveF> marcoz: so should android be supports?
  158. # [16:11] <SteveF> MarcoZ: I am open to changing it , Its a rough guide (as name implies) supports = usable by a screen reader in a practical sense
  159. # [16:11] <SteveF> screen reader user
  160. # [16:21] <@MarcoZ> SteveF: Most definitely. I use it on a daily basis now, and so do many other blind Android users. :)
  161. # [16:22] <SteveF> marcoZ - thanks updated!
  162. # [16:22] <@MarcoZ> SteveF: It is supported from Android 2.3 onwards, which covers all major Android versions. It even has quick navigation support with both keys and gestures, so not just simple exposure, but real productivity tools as well.
  163. # [16:22] <@MarcoZ> SteveF: Thanks!
  164. # [16:49] <@davidb> yeah, you might need a gold star icon :)
  165. # [17:05] <@firebot> maxli@maxli.ca requested review from eitan@monotonous.or g for attachment 773988 on bug 891967.
  166. # [17:05] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=891967 nor, --, ---, maxli, NEW, [AccessFu] Show caret in braille when editing
  167. # [17:10] <@tbsaunde> davidb: nah, I don't really care about that tree grid stuff much
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  169. # [17:11] <@davidb> ok
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  172. # [17:50] <@firebot> trev.saunders@gmail.com granted review for attachment 771402 on bug 890353.
  173. # [17:50] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=890353 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, move get text for line boundary tests into separate file
  174. # [17:55] <@tbsaunde> surkov: should I review the current patch for bug 891091?
  175. # [17:55] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=891091 nor, --, ---, server-ops-database, NEW, failover to socorro3 on Thu Jul 18 after hours
  176. # [17:57] <@surkov> tbsaunde: seems like a wrong bug number?
  177. # [17:59] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com cancelled review?(trev.saunders@gmail .com) for attachment 773485 on bug 891338.
  178. # [18:00] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=891338 maj, --, ---, surkov.alexander, NEW, Context menu accessibility broken
  179. # [18:02] <@tbsaunde> surkov: oops sorry
  180. # [18:02] <@surkov> tbsaunde: no, I still need to figure what's there
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  183. # [18:12] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org cancelled review?(eitan@monotonous.or g) for attachment 773988 on bug 891967.
  184. # [18:12] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=891967 nor, --, ---, maxli, NEW, [AccessFu] Show caret in braille when editing
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  187. # [18:27] <clown_mtg> msg: davidb: are you coming to the uaig meeting today (in about half an hour)?
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  191. # [18:54] <@firebot> marco.zehe@googlemail.com changed the Resolution on bug 878410 from --- to WORKSFORME.
  192. # [18:54] <@firebot> marco.zehe@googlemail.com changed the Status on bug 878410 from NEW to RESOLVED.
  193. # [18:54] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=878410 nor, --, ---, nobody, RESO WORKSFORME, [AccessFu] On the Facebook Messages page, the Main Menu button stops working, works without accessib
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  197. # [19:06] <@firebot> marco.zehe@googlemail.com requested review from eitan@monotonous.or g for attachment 774068 on bug 892491.
  198. # [19:06] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=892491 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [AccessFu] Add quick navigation item for landmarks
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  205. # [20:03] <@firebot> maxli@maxli.ca requested review from eitan@monotonous.or g for attachment 774115 on bug 891967.
  206. # [20:03] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=891967 nor, --, ---, maxli, NEW, [AccessFu] Show caret in braille when editing
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  209. # [20:39] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 892607 filed by eitan@monotonous.org.
  210. # [20:39] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=892607 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Don't traverse pivot inside of ignored subtree.
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  217. # [20:54] <@firebot> bits@kilantro.com changed the Component on bug 892617 from Untriaged to Keyboard Navigation.
  218. # [20:54] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=892617 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Keyboard shortcut "Select to end of document" missing on Mac
  219. # [21:07] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org granted review for attachment 774068 on bug 892491.
  220. # [21:07] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=892491 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [AccessFu] Add quick navigation item for landmarks
  221. # [21:08] <@firebot> trev.saunders@gmail.com granted review for attachment 773418 on bug 810268.
  222. # [21:08] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=810268 nor, --, ---, surkov.alexander, ASSI, there's no way to know unselected item when selection in single selection was changed
  223. # [21:22] <@tbsaunde> surkov: any reason to use an out arg in bug 889512
  224. # [21:22] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=889512 nor, --, ---, surkov.alexander, ASSI, no focus event for google's moving textbox
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  226. # [21:26] <@surkov> tbsaunde: alternatives? as return value?
  227. # [21:29] <@tbsaunde> yeah
  228. # [21:29] <@tbsaunde> return value is what I'd do
  229. # [21:30] <@firebot> lhenry@mozilla.com changed the Status on bug 892617 from UNCONFIRMED to NEW.
  230. # [21:30] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=892617 enh, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Keyboard shortcut "Select to end of document" missing on Mac
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  233. # [21:38] <@firebot> trev.saunders@gmail.com granted review for attachment 768999 on bug 887250.
  234. # [21:38] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=887250 nor, --, ---, surkov.alexander, NEW, ARIA textbox role doesn't expose value
  235. # [21:44] <@firebot> maxli@maxli.ca cancelled review?(eitan@monotonous.or g) for attachment 774115 on bug 891967.
  236. # [21:44] <@firebot> maxli@maxli.ca requested review from eitan@monotonous.or g for attachment 774188 on bug 891967.
  237. # [21:44] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=891967 nor, --, ---, maxli, NEW, [AccessFu] Show caret in braille when editing
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  239. # [21:47] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org granted review for attachment 774188 on bug 891967.
  240. # [21:47] <@firebot> maxli@maxli.ca requested review from bugmail.mozilla@sta ktrace.com for attachment 774188 on bug 891967.
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  253. # [22:50] <@eeejay> [alias]
  254. # [22:50] <@eeejay> omgreset = strip 'roots(outgoing())'
  255. # [22:50] <@eeejay> qland = !$HG qpop -a && $HG fetch && $HG qpush -a && $HG qfinish -a && $HG push
  256. # [22:50] <@eeejay> qdryland = !$HG qpop -a && $HG fetch && $HG qpush -a && $HG qfinish -a && $HG outgoing
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  258. # [23:03] <@firebot> marco.zehe@googlemail.com changed the Assignee on bug 892491 from nobody@mozilla.org to marco.zehe@googlemail.com.
  259. # [23:03] <@firebot> marco.zehe@googlemail.com changed the Status on bug 892491 from NEW to ASSIGNED.
  260. # [23:03] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=892491 nor, --, ---, marco.zehe, ASSI, [AccessFu] Add quick navigation item for landmarks
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  262. # [23:46] <@tbsaunde> surkov: I don't want hat function in nsEventShell.h because I don't want it to include AccEvent.h
  263. # [23:47] <@surkov> tbsaunde nsEventSHell is supposed to be used in .cpp files only and it includes AccEvent.h already iirc
  264. # [23:47] <@surkov> we could inline other methods in nsEventSHell
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  266. # [23:49] <@tbsaunde> surkov: but I want to make dependancies *better* not worse
  267. # [23:49] <@tbsaunde> and I think want to just kill that file
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  269. # [23:50] <@surkov> tbsaunde: I don't mind. Next time? :)
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