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- # Session Start: Wed Jul 17 00:00:01 2013
- # Session Ident: #accessibility
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- # [00:15] <@firebot> maxli@maxli.ca requested review from eitan@monotonous.or g for attachment 776727 on bug 890940.
- # [00:15] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=890940 nor, --, mozilla25, maxli, REOP, [AccessFu] Visual bounds box is very wrong
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- # [00:33] <@firebot> neil@httl.net requested needinfo from mounir@lamouri.fr on bug 291082.
- # [00:33] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=291082 nor, --, ---, almasry.mina, NEW, preventDefault doesn't block keyboard navigation in select-one drop-down lists
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- # [03:32] <@firebot> kwierso@gmail.com changed the Resolution on bug 893153 from --- to FIXED.
- # [03:32] <@firebot> kwierso@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 893153 from NEW to RESOLVED.
- # [03:32] <@firebot> kwierso@gmail.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 893153 from --- to mozilla25.
- # [03:32] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=893153 nor, --, mozilla25, eitan, RESO FIXED, [AccessFu] Navigation continues in hidden iframes
- # [03:34] <@firebot> kwierso@gmail.com changed the Resolution on bug 882602 from --- to FIXED.
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- # [03:34] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=882602 nor, --, mozilla25, surkov.alexander, RESO FIXED, clean up getText* line boundary code
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- # [09:13] <@firebot> marco.zehe@googlemail.com cancelled needinfo?(marco.zehe@google mail.com) on bug 727819.
- # [09:13] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=727819 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Make PDF.js accessible
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- # [10:13] <@firebot> marco.zehe@googlemail.com granted feedback for attachment 776521 on bug 891338.
- # [10:13] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=891338 maj, --, ---, surkov.alexander, NEW, Popup accessibility broken
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- # [10:45] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 894819 filed by mozilla@baum.de.
- # [10:45] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=894819 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, After switching page direction in the view menu, no more IAccessible2 Caret Events are fired, when y
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- # [11:27] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 894824 filed by mozilla@baum.de.
- # [11:27] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=894824 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, You do not get MSAA Events (e.g. EVENT_OBJECT_LOCATIONCHANGE) for Object caret when moving the caret
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- # [12:38] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 894844 filed by francesco.lodolo@gmail.com.
- # [12:38] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=894844 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Add localization comment to plural forms
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- # [12:42] <@firebot> francesco.lodolo@gmail.com changed the Assignee on bug 894844 from nobody@mozilla.org to francesco.lodolo@gmail.com.
- # [12:42] <@firebot> francesco.lodolo@gmail.com requested review from yura.zenevich@gmail .com for attachment 777023 on bug 894844.
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- # [12:58] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=894451 nor, --, ---, maxli, REOP, Firefox should ignore blank longdescs rather than replace them with the URL of the page
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- # [13:26] <@firebot> marco.zehe@googlemail.com changed the Status on bug 894601 from NEW to ASSIGNED.
- # [13:26] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=894601 nor, --, ---, eitan, ASSI, [AccessFu] context menu in android is broken
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- # [14:20] <@surkov> good morning, marcoz
- # [14:21] <@firebot> epinal99-bugzilla@yahoo.fr requested needinfo from mozilla@baum.de on bug 894819.
- # [14:21] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=894819 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, After switching page direction in the view menu, no more IAccessible2 Caret Events are fired, when y
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- # [14:28] <yzen> marcoz: hi
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- # [14:31] <@marcoz> Good morning surkov and yzen!
- # [14:31] <@marcoz> Hi maxli!
- # [14:32] <yzen> marcoz: more questions for you about the live regions
- # [14:32] <@marcoz> yzen: Go right ahead!
- # [14:32] <yzen> marcoz: when i was writing tests, i noticed events firing together such as show and text inserted for example, or hide and text removed
- # [14:33] <yzen> marcoz: so for example
- # [14:33] <yzen> marcoz: i have a live region div with a paragraph in it. I hide the paragraph and get a hide event on it together with the text removed on a div
- # [14:33] <maxli> Good morning marcoz!
- # [14:33] <@marcoz> yzen: Correct.
- # [14:35] <yzen> marcoz: do we want to announce both of those events?
- # [14:36] <@marcoz> yzen: No, I don't think so. TextInserted and TextRemoved are mostly useful for cases where one is dealing with editable text. I think the show and hide events are the interesting parts. And hide only if the hiding is to be announced, not always.
- # [14:40] <yzen> marcoz: makes sense, so text inserted and removed is already handled if it is from user input, regardless of live region… is that sufficient? or there's some additional support your were thinking of ?
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- # [14:49] <@marcoz> yzen: The only support I can currently think of would be from collaborative document editing. In that case, text inserts and removals would be from the input of another user, not the one sitting in front of the computer.
- # [14:49] <@marcoz> But that's a different use case.
- # [14:50] <yzen> marcoz: hmm I'm trying to think if there's a way to identify an event as such
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- # [14:57] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=881937 nor, --, ---, gijskruitbosch+bugs, ASSI, The Australis panel menu should be keyboard accessible
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- # [15:45] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=884926 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Provide longdesc keyboard support
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- # [16:02] <yzen> marcoz: do you think it would be sufficient to check if the text inserted/removed event has its accessible's state as EXT_STATE_EDITABLE ? and in case it's a relevant live region announce it even if it's not from user input ?
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- # [16:28] <@surkov> yzen: shouldn't you rely on fromUserInput event flag instead?
- # [16:28] <@marcoz> yzen: Good question. I would think that live regions would never be set on an editable element, since when editing, there is enough going on already. Hmm uncertain to be honest. I also don't know if any screen reader uses text insert and text removed for live regions at all so far. I only heard of show/hide events.
- # [16:30] <@marcoz> surkov: Do you mean use both show and hide, as well as textInserted and textRemoved events, and only speak them if they are live regions and not from user input?
- # [16:31] <@surkov> marcoz: I'm not sure what you are trying achieve. can you give me details?
- # [16:31] <yzen> surkov: well I was thinking of the collab document editing use case marcoz mentioned, other user's changes will not have the flag afaik.
- # [16:32] <yzen> but afaict both events fire show and inserted
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- # [16:35] <@surkov> in general show/hide and textInserted/Removed may describe the same change
- # [16:35] <@surkov> if author changes its text like textNode.data = 'hello' then you won't receive show/hide events I think but you get textInserted/Removed
- # [16:36] <@surkov> if author makes elm.textContent = 'hello' then I believe you receive both show/hide and textInserted/Removed
- # [16:36] <@surkov> you always receive textInserted/Remove when live region implements nsIAccessibleText
- # [16:37] <@surkov> so in that case I'd say it makes sense to rely on textinserted/remove events
- # [16:37] <@surkov> in HTML usually everything implements nsIAccessibleText
- # [16:37] <@surkov> but there are exception like HTML table
- # [16:38] <@surkov> so if HTML table is live region and they insert/delete rows then this trick doesn't work
- # [16:38] <@surkov> does it make sense?
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- # [16:40] <@firebot> maxli@maxli.ca cancelled review?(eitan@monotonous.or g) for attachment 776727 on bug 890940.
- # [16:40] <@firebot> maxli@maxli.ca requested review from eitan@monotonous.or g for attachment 777116 on bug 890940.
- # [16:40] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=890940 nor, --, mozilla25, maxli, REOP, [AccessFu] Visual bounds box is very wrong
- # [16:41] <@marcoz> yzen: surkov: I'd also say: Take a shameless look at the NVDA source. However, since I haven't looked at their source in a big while, I don't know where their live region support lives currently.
- # [16:41] <@surkov> marcoz: it's easier to ask Jamie, at least to check their live region support
- # [16:41] <@surkov> there are always edge cases
- # [16:46] <yzen> surkov: yes there's also the case that i described to marcoz where i have a region whose child is hidden so there's a hide event on child and removed on the parent region. they do sort of describe the same event.
- # [16:47] <@surkov> yzen: right, though probably bad wording saying events describe event :)
- # [16:51] <yzen> surkov: :) , the interesting part about the text removed event on the parent is that the changed text is shown as the unicode character [obj] and would not be helpful if announced
- # [16:53] <@surkov> yzen: you don't need to announce modifiedText as it is, when you stuck on embedded obj character then you should go into the tree
- # [16:53] <@surkov> maybe it's tricky a bit
- # [16:54] <@firebot> emorley@mozilla.com changed the Resolution on bug 894601 from --- to FIXED.
- # [16:54] <@firebot> emorley@mozilla.com changed the Status on bug 894601 from ASSIGNED to RESOLVED.
- # [16:54] <@firebot> emorley@mozilla.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 894601 from --- to mozilla25.
- # [16:54] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=894601 nor, --, mozilla25, eitan, RESO FIXED, [AccessFu] context menu in android is broken
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- # [17:04] <Aarya> Hello friends, well i am new on this page will you suggest that what am i supposed to do
- # [17:05] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com requested review from neil@httl.net for attachment 777127 on bug 833164.
- # [17:05] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=833164 nor, --, ---, trev.saunders, NEW, code gen implementation of xpcom accessible events
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- # [17:20] <@tbsaunde> surkov: accept you can't go into tree because it may have been removed by then right?
- # [17:21] <@tbsaunde> anyway /me -> office
- # [17:21] <@surkov> tbsaunde: into tree?
- # [17:22] <@surkov> tbsaunde: I think I totally miss question, sorry, can you rephrase it?
- # [17:24] <@marcoz> surkov: I believe what tbsaunde meant was that if you receive a textRemoved on a parent with an embedded character pointing to the text child, you cannot go into the tree because it was just removed, or you would not have received that removedEvent.
- # [17:24] <@surkov> got it, thanks :)
- # [17:25] <@surkov> textRemove is fired after hide event so right you can't traverse tree
- # [17:25] <@surkov> but you can still do it on hide event
- # [17:27] <@eeejay> halla!
- # [17:27] <@eeejay> maxli, morning
- # [17:28] <maxli> eeejay, good morning
- # [17:32] <yzen> surkov: i think in case of show/hide on live region there's no issue really, they can be handled quite well and indeed the subtree would be traversed
- # [17:32] <@eeejay> maxli, patch is looking better, does the dpr remain the same no matter the viewport zoom in android?
- # [17:33] <maxli> eeejay: yes
- # [17:33] <@eeejay> cool
- # [17:34] <@eeejay> maxli, the main thing i am still struggling to understand is the input
- # [17:35] <@eeejay> maxli, i think the gestures should all be in device pixels
- # [17:35] <yzen> surkov: however since the remove/insert is is fired in most cases, I'm trying to figure out which ones would be meaningful to the user when they are not coming from user input. unless only user ones are most helpful..
- # [17:36] <@eeejay> maxli, when dealing with interpreting gestures we need to know physical distances, etc.
- # [17:37] <@eeejay> maxli, i think the gesture handler should get device coordinates, and provide appropriate translation for content, ideally in content-script.js
- # [17:38] <@eeejay> maxli, the comment in touch adapter is also unclear to me, isn't android "widget scaling" the vp zoom?
- # [17:38] <maxli> eeejay: the gesture handler does get device coordinates with my patch?
- # [17:38] <maxli> eeejay: no, widget scaling is the dpr
- # [17:39] <@eeejay> maxli, why is it only relevant on Android?
- # [17:39] <maxli> eeejay: they changed it so the events we get (only on Android) have the coordinates scaled by the dpr
- # [17:40] <@marcoz> Good morning eeejay!
- # [17:40] <@eeejay> marcoz, morning :)
- # [17:40] <maxli> eeejay: so by re-multiplying it I'm restoring the same pixel units we were dealign with before
- # [17:40] <@eeejay> maxli, if that is the case, we need to account for that each time we use a coordinate, not just when we emit it, no?
- # [17:41] <maxli> eeejay: that's probably right
- # [17:41] <@eeejay> maxli, if we have a horizontal swipe from x=0 to x=100
- # [17:42] <@eeejay> maxli, how do we determine on android the physical distance?
- # [17:42] <@eeejay> maxli, right now we divide it by dpi (that is not necessarily correct)
- # [17:42] <@eeejay> maxli, do we need to do delta*dpr/dpi?
- # [17:43] <@marcoz> Geez, what a mess! :)
- # [17:43] <@eeejay> yep :)
- # [17:44] <@marcoz> eeejay: So what did you think of my first tweet from Firefox OS yesterday? ;-) (except the typos of course xD)
- # [17:44] <@eeejay> marcoz, maxli, i'm assuming a lot is in flux with the apzc rewrite, but the end goal will be that all this is unified, i think
- # [17:44] <maxli> eeejay: we might need to, I'd need to check
- # [17:44] <@eeejay> marcoz, i missed that! awesome
- # [17:45] <@eeejay> maxli,
- # [17:45] <@eeejay> oops
- # [17:45] * @eeejay looks for marcoz's tweet to retweet
- # [17:46] <@eeejay> to my extensive network *ahem*
- # [17:48] <@marcoz> eeejay: Ah, beat me to it! I was just about to paste the link. :)
- # [17:48] <@marcoz> If anyone else is interested: https://twitter.com/MarcoInEnglish/status/357121486064074752
- # [17:50] <@eeejay> a historical first, next to edisons first recording
- # [17:53] <@eeejay> what we really need in core is document relative coordinates in all coordinate related operations
- # [17:53] <@eeejay> .. and an option for either device or css pixels
- # [17:54] <@eeejay> maxli, another coordinates question.. :)
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- # [17:56] <@eeejay> maxli, in activateContextMenu you change the tranlsation from vp zoom to dpr
- # [17:56] <@eeejay> don't you need both?
- # [17:56] <@surkov> yzen: you should keep in mind that show/hide are fired when object is created/destroyed, textinserted/removed is fired when text is changed, it's not always the same
- # [17:57] <yzen> surkov: yes, thanks
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- # [17:59] <maxli> eeejay: no, the coords should be in device pixels, and the event should take css pixels, so it should only be divided by the dpr
- # [18:00] * @marcoz remembers the Mochitests for bounds also doing all sorts of crazy stuff to account for zooming levels, but this was for desktops.
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- # [18:12] <@surkov> tbsaunde: you owe me some reviews, my landing queue gets closer to them :)
- # [18:12] <@surkov> plans?
- # [18:13] <@marcoz> eeejay: What's the command to undo the last git command? I just did a git pull eeejay a11y while I still had checked out Mozilla's gaia master branch. I am getting merge conflicts of course and want to roll back this last change. How do I do that?
- # [18:13] <@tbsaunde> surkov: already wanted to get them done today
- # [18:13] <@surkov> tbsaunde: awesome, thank yoU!
- # [18:13] <@tbsaunde> surkov: btw lunch plans?
- # [18:13] <@eeejay> marcoz, in master do: git reset --hard origin/master
- # [18:14] <@surkov> tbsaunde: I stayed home today
- # [18:14] <@tbsaunde> surkov: k
- # [18:15] <@marcoz> eeejay: Reply was: HEAD is now at b2b3991 Merge pull request #11022 from comoyo/b2g_desktop_broken
- # [18:15] <@marcoz> So I guess this worked.
- # [18:16] <@surkov> tbsaunde: if you like buckwheat then be my guest, I can feed you :)
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- # [18:17] <@eeejay> marcoz, of course it worked!
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- # [18:19] <@marcoz> eeejay: Heh. Git status now gives me two untracked files. Are these yours? apps/homescreen/js/hiddenapps.js
- # [18:19] <@marcoz> # apps/settings/js/hiddenapps.js
- # [18:19] <@eeejay> marcoz, no
- # [18:20] <@marcoz> eeejay: Should I delete them, then?
- # [18:20] <@eeejay> marcoz, possibly. make sure you are on the latest master
- # [18:20] <@eeejay> marcoz, after reseting, do: git pull origin master
- # [18:20] <@marcoz> eeejay: I am, I just pulled.
- # [18:22] <@marcoz> eeejay: Yup, "already up-to-date", says Git.
- # [18:22] <@eeejay> great. yeah, you could safely delete those
- # [18:23] <@marcoz> Cool, "Working directory clean".
- # [18:24] <@marcoz> OK, off for the evening! eeejay, could you update the a11y branch with the latest and greatest you have so I can try it out? If you get a minute, that is…..
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- # [18:29] <yzen> eeejay: a quick update about the live regions (most of it in the logs): i think i have a good show/hide support for live regions but there are some intricacies with those events firing in conjunction with text insterted/removed. trying to figure out which of the text events are meaningful and such..
- # [18:31] <yzen> eeejay: perhaps you have some comments, suggestions?
- # [18:34] <@eeejay> yzen, surkov is your best resource for that, and it looks like you guys talked
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- # [18:35] <yzen> eeejay: sounds good
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- # [19:04] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=890940 nor, --, mozilla25, maxli, REOP, [AccessFu] Visual bounds box is very wrong
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- # [19:07] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=894844 nor, --, ---, francesco.lodolo, NEW, Add localization comment to plural forms in AccessFu.properties
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- # [19:41] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=890940 nor, --, mozilla25, maxli, REOP, [AccessFu] Visual bounds box is very wrong
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- # [19:59] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org changed the Status on bug 894086 from NEW to RESOLVED.
- # [20:00] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=894086 nor, --, ---, nobody, RESO WONTFIX, [AccessFu] stop using doAction altogether and simply synthesize tap
- # [20:02] <@eeejay> maxli, skype in 5?
- # [20:03] <maxli> eeejay, alright
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- # [20:53] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=894547 nor, --, ---, surkov.alexander, NEW, move tests abstraction up for at caret offset text testing
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- # [21:32] <yzen> surkov: hi, I just wanted to clarify whether there is a way to figure out if the text insert happened in conjunction with show or by itself (based on the event itself or something else) ?
- # [21:32] <@surkov> yzen: there's no direct connection but show/hide is fired on child, textinserted/removed on parent
- # [21:36] <yzen> surkov: do they fire one after the other ? i m wondering if i can wait a little bit to decide if the text insert should be handled (based whether there's a preceding show on the child)
- # [21:37] <@surkov> yzen: show/hide goes first
- # [21:38] <@surkov> if parent of show/hide implements text interface then text events will be fired
- # [21:38] <yzen> surkov: which happens in most cases right, as you mentioned
- # [21:39] <yzen> it would be interesting to see how nvda handles that
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- # [21:42] <@surkov> yzen: right, ask Jamie
- # [21:43] <yzen> surkov: i will, thanks :)
- # [21:44] <@surkov> :)
- # [21:49] <@firebot> yura.zenevich@gmail.com requested needinfo from jamie@nvaccess.or g on bug 795957.
- # [21:49] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=795957 nor, --, ---, yura.zenevich, NEW, [AccessFu] Support live regions
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- # [22:26] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 895082 filed by jruderman@gmail.com.
- # [22:26] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=895082 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, "ASSERTION: Adopting child!" in Accessible::BindToParent with multiple <body> elements
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- # [22:33] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=890940 nor, --, mozilla25, maxli, REOP, [AccessFu] Visual bounds box is very wrong
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- # [23:58] <ialagenchev> can someone please comment on this bug? I think it affects accessibility https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=894224
- # [23:58] <@firebot> Bug 894224 nor, --, ---, nobody, RESO WONTFIX, Australis tabs separators are too faint
- # Session Close: Thu Jul 18 00:00:00 2013
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