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- # Session Start: Tue Jul 23 00:00:00 2013
- # Session Ident: #accessibility
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- # [02:50] <@firebot> maxli@maxli.ca changed the Assignee on bug 690199 from nobody@mozilla.org to maxli@maxli.ca.
- # [02:50] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=690199 nor, --, ---, maxli, NEW, ARIA select widget should expose focusable state regardless the way they manage its children
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- # [03:56] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com changed the Resolution on bug 891338 from --- to FIXED.
- # [03:56] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 891338 from NEW to RESOLVED.
- # [03:56] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 891338 from --- to mozilla25.
- # [03:56] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=891338 maj, --, mozilla25, surkov.alexander, RESO FIXED, Popup accessibility broken
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- # [09:24] <@firebot> hskupin@gmail.com cancelled in-litmus? on bug 496754.
- # [09:25] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=496754 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Cmd+K (Tools > Web Search) does not focus search box if no window is open
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- # [11:16] <@firebot> petruta.rasa@softvision.ro changed the Component on bug 896305 from Untriaged to Keyboard Navigation.
- # [11:16] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=896305 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Regression: Ctrl-a, ctrl-e, and ctrl-k keyboard shortcuts stopped working on OS X
- # [11:17] <@firebot> marco.zehe@googlemail.com requested review from surkov.alexander@gm ail.com for attachment 779675 on bug 896400.
- # [11:17] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=896400 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, ARIA role "tablist" should no longer be an implicit live region
- # [11:18] <@firebot> marco.zehe@googlemail.com changed the Assignee on bug 896400 from nobody@mozilla.org to marco.zehe@googlemail.com.
- # [11:18] <@firebot> marco.zehe@googlemail.com changed the Status on bug 896400 from NEW to ASSIGNED.
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- # [13:06] <@firebot> marco.zehe@googlemail.com requested review from surkov.alexander@gm ail.com for attachment 779696 on bug 896400.
- # [13:06] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=896400 nor, --, ---, marco.zehe, ASSI, ARIA role "tablist" should no longer be an implicit live region
- # [13:06] <@firebot> marco.zehe@googlemail.com cancelled review?(surkov.alexander@gm ail.com) for attachment 779675 on bug 896400.
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- # [14:02] <@davidb> heyo
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- # [15:32] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com granted review for attachment 779696 on bug 896400.
- # [15:32] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=896400 nor, --, ---, marco.zehe, ASSI, ARIA role "tablist" should no longer be an implicit live region
- # [15:44] <@tbsaunde> surkov: in the office?
- # [15:44] <@surkov> tbsaunde: yes
- # [15:44] <@tbsaunde> surkov: could I borrow your eyes for a sec?
- # [15:44] <@surkov> sure
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- # [16:02] <yzen> surkov: hi
- # [16:02] <yzen> surkov: I have another question about live region events
- # [16:02] <@surkov> yzen: sure
- # [16:02] <@surkov> hi
- # [16:03] <@tbsaunde> surkov: I don't suppose I can use domi on menus some how?
- # [16:03] <@surkov> tbsaunde: nah, only if you catch some events and make a snapshot of tree
- # [16:03] <@surkov> if it helps
- # [16:04] <@surkov> I debug menus and focus this way
- # [16:04] <@surkov> or make logging
- # [16:05] <@tbsaunde> surkov: yeah, I doubt events will help, I broke tree update somehow
- # [16:05] <yzen> surkov: i am trying to write a test that has a live region with a child node that i am replacing with a different one. As expected i get a hide event and then show, that I want to interpret as "replace". however on hide, the event's accessible already does not have live-region related attributes. So my question is if that's intentional, because if it is, it sort of does already what i wanted to do - just to handle it as "show" of the new nod
- # [16:06] <@surkov> yzen: I'm not sure but iirc we have a bug on this
- # [16:06] <yzen> surkov: so you think it actually should still have the live attributes?
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- # [16:07] <@surkov> yzen: can you know if hidden accessible belongs to live region?
- # [16:08] <yzen> surkov: well in my test it is yes, it's nested inside a live region
- # [16:09] <yzen> surkov: and I'm testing it with replaceChild method on the parent live region node
- # [16:09] <@surkov> yzen: but you'd need to know that in general case?
- # [16:09] <@surkov> I'm pretty sure some AT vendor run into this problem in the past
- # [16:09] <@surkov> not sure how it was resolved (if it was)
- # [16:11] <@surkov> yzen: we run though DOM tree and thus you don't see live region object attrbiutes
- # [16:11] <@surkov> see SetLiveContainerAttributes
- # [16:11] <@surkov> I think we should switch to accessible tree and it will be fixed
- # [16:12] <@surkov> yzen: btw, I found that AT wanted this and I promised to fix it for them
- # [16:12] <@surkov> but eventually I forgot
- # [16:12] <@surkov> yzen: if you like to take this bug then it'd be cool, it doesn't seem hard
- # [16:13] <yzen> surkov: sure I think i can, would you know the number, if not ill find it?
- # [16:14] <@surkov> yzen: I'll file it ( I think I forgot to file it before)
- # [16:14] <yzen> surkov: thanks , ill take it :)
- # [16:15] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 897032 filed by surkov.alexander@gmail.com.
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- # [16:15] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=897032 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, live region object attribute aren't exposed on hidden accessible
- # [16:15] <@surkov> yzen: here is it ^
- # [16:15] <@firebot> yura.zenevich@gmail.com changed the Assignee on bug 897032 from nobody@mozilla.org to yura.zenevich@gmail.com.
- # [16:19] <Six> surkov: here i am, what did you mean by: "it's not really visual change, but screen readers should be able to read that link label"
- # [16:19] <Six> surkov: so in "function doTests()" i should try to test the value of my label id?
- # [16:20] <Six> s/try to test/test/
- # [16:20] <@surkov> Six: now if you use screen reader and see XUL link label then screen readers can't read it to you properly, that bug fixes that
- # [16:21] <@surkov> Six: I think so, you just copy that code related to xul:label, paste it and add that @class to xul:label
- # [16:28] <Six> surkov: ok i will try to run it with firevox and compare both results
- # [16:29] <@surkov> Six: do you want to run screen reader?
- # [16:29] <Six> surkov: well i think it will be easier to get the differences between before/after patch no?
- # [16:30] <@surkov> Six: what kind of difference do you talk about?
- # [16:30] <Six> surkov: the actual m-c version and the version with my patch
- # [16:30] <@surkov> Six: the difference in screen reader behaviour?
- # [16:31] <Six> surkov: yep
- # [16:33] <Six> surkov: am i missing something?
- # [16:34] <@surkov> Six: sure if you like, it's not necessary though
- # [16:34] <@surkov> if test passes then the bug should be fixed
- # [16:34] <@surkov> but if you like to try screen readers then it must be cool
- # [16:36] <Six> surkov: ok, i will see what tests i have to add in "function doTests()" to validate the test
- # [16:48] <Six> surkov: btw when i did my test yesterday i wasnt able to see the labe when i putted it here: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/accessible/tests/mochitest/text/test_label.xul#55
- # [16:48] <Six> but when i put it there: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/accessible/tests/mochitest/text/test_label.xul#55 it appears correctly
- # [16:48] <@surkov> Six: did you restarted the browser?
- # [16:48] <Six> yep i was doing it with mochitest
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- # [18:05] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com granted in-testsuite on bug 887250.
- # [18:05] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=887250 nor, --, ---, surkov.alexander, NEW, ARIA textbox role doesn't expose value
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- # [18:17] <yzen> eeejay: hi
- # [18:20] <@surkov> tbsaunde: curious if bug 889512 is on radar still
- # [18:20] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=889512 nor, --, ---, surkov.alexander, ASSI, no focus event for google's moving textbox
- # [18:35] <@eeejay> yzen, yo
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- # [18:37] <yzen> eeejay: hi, one of your comments for the live regions bug, i wasn't sure what you meant there: It should also take an optional string similar to aModifiedText in textChanged. (for object hidden and object shown)
- # [18:38] <@eeejay> yzen, sometimes you want to call it from the text inserted event, so you already know what the value of the text that is inserted, and only that should be spoken.
- # [18:40] <yzen> eeejay: oh do you mean handling text inserted and shown event similarly, and only step into subtree for the latter ?
- # [18:41] <@eeejay> yzen, i only want to see a common code path for live regions, with no regard to if it is from a show event or a text inserted event
- # [18:42] <yzen> eeejay: ok got it :)
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- # [19:03] <@tbsaunde> surkov: yeah, meant to look at review quue today but went to deep into debugging, and now I have to go to dentist and I'll be wasted on drugs after that so hopefully tomorrow
- # [19:03] <@surkov> tbsaunde: sure, it's ok
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- # [19:08] <@firebot> emorley@mozilla.com changed the Resolution on bug 758675 from --- to FIXED.
- # [19:08] <@firebot> emorley@mozilla.com changed the Status on bug 758675 from ASSIGNED to RESOLVED.
- # [19:08] <@firebot> emorley@mozilla.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 758675 from --- to mozilla25.
- # [19:08] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=758675 nor, --, mozilla25, marco.zehe, RESO FIXED, [AccessFu] Speak accDescription if available
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- # [19:46] <@davidb> tbsaunde: do you want to join us at the jays game tomorrow evening?
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- # [20:01] <Six> surkov: when i put my mouse on this label, i should be able to see the the "title" and the "href" values right?
- # [20:02] <@surkov> Six: not sure, probably not
- # [20:02] <Six> surkov: ok
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- # [20:03] <Six> surkov: so i'm really sorry but then i don't know how to be sure my patch is working as expected...
- # [20:03] <Six> surkov: it's the first time i have this kind of test
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- # [20:04] <@surkov> Six: having a test coverage is ok
- # [20:04] <@surkov> Six: otherwise you need to get some practice how to use screen readers
- # [20:04] <@surkov> they aren't mouse based
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- # [20:38] <Six> surkov: isn't this already testing what i'm supposed to test: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/accessible/tests/mochitest/hyperlink/test_general.xul ?
- # [20:39] <@surkov> Six: we have tests for xul:label but we don't have test for link xul:label
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- # [20:40] <@surkov> Six: there's something
- # [20:40] <@surkov> Six: so what you need to do is to remove expectAssertions
- # [20:41] <Six> surkov: yep this way we will be able to test it correctly on mac
- # [20:41] <Six> surkov: then this + my previous patch should be ok?
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- # [20:42] <@surkov> Six: let me check
- # [20:42] <@surkov> if we still need some tests
- # [20:43] <@surkov> Six: it'd be nice to have test coverage in events/test_label.xul as well
- # [20:43] <@surkov> Six: see patch from bug 396166
- # [20:43] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=396166 nor, --, mozilla22, surkov.alexander, RESO FIXED, Accessible <xul:label value="foo"> should implement nsIAccessibleText
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- # [21:17] <Six> surkov: i modified events/test_label.xul to see how to do it, in this case: <label id="hello" class="text-link" value="hello"/> test never closes, in this case: <label id="hello" class="text-link">hello</label> i got a fail due to role is link, label is expected, which comes from testAccessibleTree()
- # [21:18] <Six> surkov: should i change this: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/accessible/tests/mochitest/events/test_label.xul#70 with LINK?
- # [21:21] <@surkov> Six: role should link, right
- # [21:22] <@surkov> Six: you may want to enable logging into console to see where it hangs
- # [21:22] <@surkov> you need to uncomment gA11yEventDumpToConsole variable in test file
- # [21:24] <Six> surkov: already done it's set to true
- # [21:26] <Six> surkov: the only "weird" thing i got is: "unhandled expected events: true, invoker status: not scheduled"
- # [21:27] <@surkov> Six: you need to see above where test is scheduled
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- # [21:39] <Six> surkov: well indeed this message happens whith the original test, the bogus part is the first test: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/accessible/tests/mochitest/events/test_label.xul#120 which is supposed to send "hide" event type and "show" event type but with text-link, it send many other events and no one of thoses...
- # [21:41] <@surkov> Six: no ideas, you might want to show patch
- # [21:42] <Six> surkow: the only thing i changed is:
- # [21:42] <Six> - <label id="label">hello<.label>
- # [21:43] <Six> + <label id="label" href="http://www.mozilla.org" class="text-link" value="hello"/>
- # [21:44] <Six> surkov: i begin to think i'm much making loose you time than really help on anything...
- # [21:45] <@surkov> Six: it's better to file a patch
- # [21:45] <@surkov> I'll take a look
- # [21:46] <Six> surkov: yes i know, irc isn't on the same computer... i'm gonna give up for today, i will ping you back if i find something :)
- # [21:46] <@surkov> it's hard to say how the issue is complicated, maybe you hit some underground problem
- # [21:46] <Six> surkov: thank you very much for your time
- # [21:46] <@surkov> Six: sure, thanks to you
- # [21:46] <Six> surkov: yeah yeah or maybe i'm just another noob :p
- # [21:47] <@surkov> I don't see anything evident
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- # [22:32] <@firebot> maxli@maxli.ca requested review from eitan@monotonous.or g for attachment 779986 on bug 886076.
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- # [22:32] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=886076 nor, --, ---, maxli, NEW, [AccessFu] Support movement by granularity
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- # [22:34] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org requested review from surkov.alexander@gm ail.com for attachment 779987 on bug 894485.
- # [22:34] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=894485 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Don't rely on roles and click listeners for default doAction()
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- # [22:37] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com granted review for attachment 779987 on bug 894485.
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- # [22:49] <yzen> surkov: quick question where would the tests for bug 897032 fit best ?
- # [22:49] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=897032 nor, --, ---, yura.zenevich, NEW, live region object attribute aren't exposed on hidden accessible
- # [22:51] <@surkov> yzen: probably add new file under attributes folder
- # [22:51] <@surkov> to test dynamics
- # [22:51] <@surkov> in
- # [22:54] <yzen> surkov: so not events (my thought originally), got it
- # [22:54] <yzen> thanks
- # [22:55] <@surkov> yzen: yep since we don't really test evens here
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