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  38. # [06:34] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 908042 filed by yura.zenevich@gmail.com.
  39. # [06:34] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=908042 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [AccessFu] Support live regions aria-atomic and aria-busy
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  50. # [09:07] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 908055 filed by francesco.lodolo@gmail.com.
  51. # [09:07] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=908055 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [AccessFu] Rename pagetab and pagetablist to reflect string changes
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  56. # [10:03] <@firebot> bbajaj@mozilla.com requested needinfo from trev.saunders@gma il.com on bug 888981.
  57. # [10:03] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=888981 cri, --, ---, trev.saunders, NEW, DownThemAll! causes browser to hang indefinitely
  58. # [10:07] <@firebot> trev.saunders@gmail.com cancelled needinfo?(trev.saunders@gma il.com) on bug 888981.
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  65. # [11:18] <@firebot> marco.zehe@googlemail.com changed the Resolution on bug 908055 from --- to WONTFIX.
  66. # [11:18] <@firebot> marco.zehe@googlemail.com changed the Status on bug 908055 from NEW to RESOLVED.
  67. # [11:18] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=908055 nor, --, ---, nobody, RESO WONTFIX, [AccessFu] Rename pagetab and pagetablist to reflect string changes
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  88. # [13:52] <@firebot> emorley@mozilla.com changed the Resolution on bug 883771 from --- to WORKSFORME.
  89. # [13:52] <@firebot> emorley@mozilla.com changed the Status on bug 883771 from NEW to RESOLVED.
  90. # [13:52] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=883771 nor, --, ---, nobody, RESO WORKSFORME, TEST-UNEXPECTED-FAIL | chrome://mochitests/content/a11y/accessible/tests/mochitest/test_textboxes.xu
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  94. # [14:04] <@firebot> emorley@mozilla.com changed the Resolution on bug 626647 from --- to WORKSFORME.
  95. # [14:04] <@firebot> emorley@mozilla.com changed the Status on bug 626647 from NEW to RESOLVED.
  96. # [14:04] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=626647 nor, --, ---, nobody, RESO WORKSFORME, [BE CAREFUL: NOT states/test_link.html] Intermittent actions/test_link.html | Test timed out., test_
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  110. # [14:41] <@davidb> heyo
  111. # [14:41] <@marcoz> Hi davidb!
  112. # [14:41] <@marcoz> Hi all!
  113. # [14:44] <yzen> marcoz: hi, have you had a chance to try the live regions yet ?
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  115. # [14:45] <@marcoz> yzen: I just got the nightly update for today. Will check if the live regions made the cut for it.
  116. # [14:45] <yzen> :) would be nice
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  123. # [15:05] <@marcoz> yzen: Hm, I don't seem to find working examples of live regions right now. The ones that I have in my bookmarks don't seem to work even in Firefox for the desktop any more. O_O I will keep looking. Live regions aren't that common yet unfortunately.
  124. # [15:06] <yzen> marcoz: when i was testing it i just googled for a live region demo
  125. # [15:06] <yzen> one of the links had example of a simple timer/counter
  126. # [15:06] <yzen> that was updating nicely
  127. # [15:07] <@marcoz> yzen: I did that, too, and found ones at the UIUC, but somehow that didn't work for me, either. Hmm.
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  132. # [15:12] <@marcoz> yzen: OK, I do get something, but it is not what we expect. On the ARIA example pages, whenever the interval expires and new text appears, it is not spoken, but I only hear TalkBack make a deep sound, as if I had just reached the first item of a list. As if the whole thing just refreshed or so. But the text is not spoken. I do not otherwise interact with the page, I just let it sit there, and every few seconds I hear the sound.
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  134. # [15:13] <yzen> marcoz: I'm going to try it as well
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  138. # [15:21] <yzen> marcoz: so i m looking at a number of demos: http://test.cita.illinois.edu/aria/live/live1.php , http://test.cita.illinois.edu/aria/live/live5.php etc , the seem to update as i would expect .. there's a limitation however on android where we can't queue, and multiple live region events happening around the same time will result in the latest one spoken
  139. # [15:26] <yzen> marcoz: i can imagine there are going to be a number of imperfections to iron out..
  140. # [15:29] <tbsaunde> surkov: but afaik I'm not seeing that assertion all the time
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  142. # [15:29] <@surkov> tbsaunde: so what do we have?
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  144. # [15:32] <tbsaunde> surkov: huh?
  145. # [15:33] <@surkov> tbsaunde: I meant what we know and how we can move forward
  146. # [15:35] <tbsaunde> surkov: ah, afaik just that for some reason input gets focus after down arrow
  147. # [15:35] <tbsaunde> and that we don't see any selected item
  148. # [15:35] <@surkov> tbsaunde: when it doesn't fail then what is target of DOM focus?
  149. # [15:35] <@surkov> is there a DOM focus?
  150. # [15:35] <tbsaunde> I've never seen it not fail locally
  151. # [15:36] <@surkov> :)
  152. # [15:36] <@surkov> ok then let me try
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  158. # [16:08] <@marcoz> yzen: That's the example I was at, too, and for me, none of the updates speak. They just produce that low sound from TalkBack.
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  160. # [16:20] <yzen> hmm
  161. # [16:21] <tbsaunde> surkov: try yet?
  162. # [16:21] <@surkov> still
  163. # [16:22] <yzen> marcoz: i m testing on nexus 4 android version 4.3
  164. # [16:31] <@surkov> tbsaunde: we receive DOMMenuItemActive event, tbsaunde can you enable focus and tree logging and send results back to me?
  165. # [16:35] <tbsaunde> surkov: one minute
  166. # [16:36] <maxli> marcoz: yzen: fwiw, the examples work for me
  167. # [16:53] <tbsaunde> surkov: http://paste.debian.net/28535/ no asssert, we get popshow then hide then menuinactive but no menuactive
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  172. # [17:00] <@marcoz> maxli: yzen: I am testing on a Nexus 7 with Android 4.3. Really strange we're getting different results!
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  175. # [17:04] <@marcoz> yzen: maxli: Are you touching the content in any way after the page loads, or do you keep your fingers off the display? Or does it make no difference?
  176. # [17:04] <yzen> marcoz: off the display
  177. # [17:05] <yzen> i can also navigate but if there is a live region event in between the swipes, it is announced to me afaik
  178. # [17:06] <@surkov> tbsaunde: what logging do you do?
  179. # [17:07] <tbsaunde> surkov: enableLogging("focus,tree,DOMEvents,events")
  180. # [17:07] <@surkov> k
  181. # [17:08] <@marcoz> yzen: That is really really strange! I get the low sounding audio, but no speech, regardless of whether I touch the screen once or not. It's as if TalkBack doesn't receive the whole thing, but receives the event nevertheless. The one thing I will try is to switch to the Google default synthesizer, because I am currently using another one.
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  184. # [17:17] <@marcoz> yzen: maxli: Sorry, something was busted with my Nightly install. Although it showed today's build, it didn't work. I installed it again, and now the live regions talk. :)
  185. # [17:17] <yzen> marcoz: WOOHOO
  186. # [17:17] <@marcoz> Really nice!
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  188. # [17:20] <@davidb> another mozilla mystery solved
  189. # [17:23] <@surkov> tbsaunde: in your scenario, popup is open and then immediately closed, followed by blur on entry and focus on document, so something just steal the focus
  190. # [17:23] <eeejay> morn morn
  191. # [17:25] <@surkov> tbsaunde: so it doesn't look like a11y issue, btw, can you reproduce it with other autocompletes?
  192. # [17:28] <tbsaunde> surkov: not sure how I'd try
  193. # [17:29] <@surkov> tbsaunde: just disable "autocomplete" test
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  202. # [18:17] <@marcoz> Morning eeejay!
  203. # [18:17] <eeejay> marcoz, morning
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  205. # [18:20] <@marcoz> eeejay: How's the C++ speech driver coming along?
  206. # [18:21] <eeejay> marcoz, ok. slowish
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  209. # [18:49] * @marcoz keeps his fingers crossed and has full confidence in eeejay :)
  210. # [18:49] <eeejay> marcoz, sorry i have nothing to show for it yet :P
  211. # [18:50] <@marcoz> eeejay: That's OK! I was just curious about the progress. I saw the patch for bug 858529 that you were able to get through and land, which has something to do with this I guess. :)
  212. # [18:50] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=858529 nor, --, mozilla26, eitan, RESO FIXED, Provide native-friendly equivalent for nsISpeechTask.sendAudio()
  213. # [18:52] <@marcoz> OK, off for today. See you tomorrow!
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  220. # [19:20] <@firebot> maxli@maxli.ca requested review from trev.saunders@gmail .com for attachment 794126 on bug 899333.
  221. # [19:20] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=899333 nor, --, ---, maxli, NEW, Pivot text traversal should traverse into the subtree
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  223. # [19:25] <tbsaunde> surkov: seems like disabling part doesn't help, but apparently this only happens under xvfb not normal X
  224. # [19:35] <@surkov> tbsaunde: what does xvfb and normal X?
  225. # [19:36] <@surkov> tbsaunde: I think something steals focus, so all autocompletes in the test should work the same
  226. # [19:36] <@surkov> or not work the same way :)
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  229. # [19:39] <tbsaunde> surkov: yeah, that makes sense, though I can't imagine what it is
  230. # [19:39] <tbsaunde> surkov: xvfb is X server with no display
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  232. # [19:42] <@surkov> tbsaunde: so to stop flooding can we disable the test on that platform only?
  233. # [19:43] <tbsaunde> surkov: is it platform specific?
  234. # [19:43] <@surkov> tbsaunde: I assumed xvfb is sort of platform, whatever it is can we have test disabled for xvfb only?
  235. # [19:45] <tbsaunde> surkov: probably not, but for now I'd rather think about why it fails other places to fix the bug spam
  236. # [19:46] <@surkov> tbsaunde: it seems it's out of a11y, if we (you) can find somebody who wants to look and guess then yes that's what we should do
  237. # [19:46] <@surkov> otherwise stop it to stop people complain
  238. # [19:59] <tbsaunde> surkov: hm, so if I don't run the test under xvfb it fails in a different way (too many assertions)
  239. # [20:00] <@surkov> what kind of assertions?
  240. # [20:01] <tbsaunde> one minute
  241. # [20:01] <tbsaunde> something in nsAutocompleteController though
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  245. # [20:07] <tbsaunde> surkov: is new nofocusChecker() reasonable? it seems like it should take an argument
  246. # [20:08] <@surkov> tbsaunde: I think it just makes sure there's no focus event
  247. # [20:08] <@surkov> at any target
  248. # [20:18] <tbsaunde> surkov: seems the first assert we get is at nsAutocompleteController.cpp:777 that al the trees cells are text
  249. # [20:23] <@surkov> no idea what it could mean
  250. # [20:23] <@surkov> you'd need to feed these assertions to someone who knows this code
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  254. # [20:43] <tbsaunde> surkov: can you get what roc wants in bug 905909?
  255. # [20:43] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=905909 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, test_tree.xul causes infinite recursion
  256. # [20:45] <@surkov> tbsaunde: is it live in different process?
  257. # [20:46] <@surkov> I'm not familiar with DumpJSStack
  258. # [20:46] <@surkov> tbsaunde: but what is your answer exactly?
  259. # [20:46] <tbsaunde> surkov: what do you mean about different process?
  260. # [20:47] <tbsaunde> and my answer?
  261. # [20:47] <@surkov> tbsaunde: oh, probably not, if PresShell::PostReflowCallback gets called during infinitely-recursing
  262. # [20:48] <@surkov> tbsaunde: I meant question
  263. # [20:48] <tbsaunde> surkov: I'm still confused what you want to know
  264. # [20:49] <@surkov> tbsaunde: you said that you don't get what roc wants, I'm curious what exactly you don't understand
  265. # [20:49] <tbsaunde> surkov: the test doesn't fail on linux
  266. # [20:49] <tbsaunde> and I guess not on windows either
  267. # [20:50] <@surkov> ok, it's language issue :)
  268. # [20:51] <@surkov> I didn't build Firefox on mac for a while
  269. # [20:51] <tbsaunde> surkov: oh, ok I thought you do
  270. # [20:51] <tbsaunde> in anycase you have a working mac and I don't :)
  271. # [20:51] <@surkov> it's funny but I do it on windows in vmware fusion
  272. # [20:52] <@surkov> yes I do :)
  273. # [20:52] <@surkov> I could try to build and see if I can reproduce, it seems Bobby can't reproduce it locally
  274. # [20:52] <tbsaunde> can you do it or give me access?
  275. # [20:53] <tbsaunde> if his theory is correct he can reproduce well enough to get what roc wants
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  277. # [21:18] <@firebot> New Firefox - Disability Access bug 908358 filed by benjamin_gold@us.ibm.com.
  278. # [21:18] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=908358 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Save As dialog not completely read by screen reader (JAWS)
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  302. # [23:19] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 908442 filed by ryanvm@gmail.com.
  303. # [23:19] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=908442 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Intermittent OSX a11yr | application crashed | talosError: 'browser non-zero return code (256) [brow
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