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  1. # Session Start: Fri Sep 13 00:00:00 2013
  2. # Session Ident: #accessibility
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  6. # [00:17] <@firebot> bobbyholley+bmo@gmail.com requested needinfo from roc@ocallahan.org on bug 905909.
  7. # [00:17] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=905909 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, test_tree.xul causes infinite recursion
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  18. # [01:40] <@firebot> jamie@nvaccess.org cancelled needinfo? on bug 899433.
  19. # [01:40] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=899433 maj, --, mozilla26, surkov.alexander, RESO FIXED, Accessibility returns empty line for last line in certain cases
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  25. # [02:00] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com changed the Resolution on bug 882281 from --- to FIXED.
  26. # [02:00] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 882281 from NEW to RESOLVED.
  27. # [02:00] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 882281 from --- to mozilla25.
  28. # [02:00] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=882281 nor, --, mozilla25, surkov.alexander, RESO FIXED, reorg getText* for line boundary
  29. # [02:03] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com requested approval-mozilla-aurora from the wind for attachment 801722 on bug 899433.
  30. # [02:03] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=899433 maj, --, mozilla26, surkov.alexander, RESO FIXED, Accessibility returns empty line for last line in certain cases
  31. # [02:12] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com changed the Assignee on bug 672717 from nobody@mozilla.org to surkov.alexander@gmail.com.
  32. # [02:12] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com requested review from trev.saunders@gmail .com for attachment 804110 on bug 672717.
  33. # [02:12] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com requested feedback from jamie@nvaccess.or g for attachment 804110 on bug 672717.
  34. # [02:12] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 672717 from NEW to ASSIGNED.
  35. # [02:12] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=672717 nor, --, ---, surkov.alexander, ASSI, Broken caret when moving into/out of embedded objects with right arrow
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  42. # [02:54] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com granted in-testsuite on bug 834138.
  43. # [02:54] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com changed the Resolution on bug 834138 from --- to FIXED.
  44. # [02:54] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 834138 from ASSIGNED to RESOLVED.
  45. # [02:54] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 834138 from --- to mozilla26.
  46. # [02:54] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=834138 nor, --, mozilla26, surkov.alexander, RESO FIXED, Intermittent states/test_doc_busy.html | Test timed out. (followed by many more)
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  52. # [06:55] <@firebot> hobinjk@gmail.com requested review from mdeboer@mozilla.com for attachment 804251 on bug 492557.
  53. # [06:55] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=492557 nor, --, ---, mdeboer, ASSI, Create a keyboard shortcut HUD
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  61. # [08:58] <@firebot> jamie@nvaccess.org changed the Resolution on bug 915558 from INVALID to ---.
  62. # [08:58] <@firebot> jamie@nvaccess.org changed the Status on bug 915558 from RESOLVED to REOPENED.
  63. # [08:58] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=915558 cri, P1, ---, nobody, REOP, XUL UI completely broken in Windows: Tabs, menus, etc.
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  66. # [09:22] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=905909 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, test_tree.xul causes infinite recursion
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  94. # [15:27] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com set status-firefox-esr to unaffected on bug 834138.
  95. # [15:27] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com set status-firefox24 to unaffected on bug 834138.
  96. # [15:27] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com set status-firefox25 to fixed on bug 834138.
  97. # [15:27] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com set status-firefox26 to fixed on bug 834138.
  98. # [15:27] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=834138 nor, --, mozilla26, surkov.alexander, RESO FIXED, Intermittent states/test_doc_busy.html | Test timed out. (followed by many more)
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  101. # [15:34] <@davidb> heyo!
  102. # [15:41] <@marcoz> Heyo davidb!
  103. # [15:41] <@davidb> hi marcoz, thanks for your email
  104. # [15:41] <@davidb> i had about the same reaction
  105. # [15:41] <@davidb> i don't see any short term adjustments
  106. # [15:43] <@marcoz> davidb: I didn't expect you to. :) Am I right in assuming that we're currently under the desktop product umbrella? I had trouble figuring out the chart Jay linked to.
  107. # [15:43] <@davidb> I assume platform
  108. # [15:43] <@marcoz> (I meant, I didn't expect you had any short-term solutions ready, as this surprised you too if I read your mail correctly.)
  109. # [15:43] <@davidb> ah
  110. # [15:44] <@davidb> well I don't see a need yet, at least until I get details
  111. # [15:44] <@davidb> platform seems an ok spot for horizontal teams
  112. # [15:45] <@marcoz> davidb: Ah, Jay didn't mention platform. If that is the case and this is still its own department, I think we're good for now. Allows us to branch out into either product dept.
  113. # [15:45] <@davidb> right
  114. # [15:45] <@davidb> note, i'm not sure what is public or if that matters.
  115. # [15:45] <@marcoz> Umm, yeah....
  116. # [15:46] <@davidb> as per private message ;)
  117. # [15:46] <@marcoz> davidb: On a different subject: I'm expanding my arsenal of Firefox OS phones. I managed to place an order with the second wave of ZTE Open Phone contingency announced yesterday. And the GeeksPhone Peak+ is in the pipeline, too, due to arrive late October/early November.
  118. # [15:47] <@davidb> wo
  119. # [15:47] <@davidb> wow
  120. # [15:49] <@marcoz> davidb: I believe there are still phones left if you'd like one, too: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/171123860758
  121. # [15:49] <@marcoz> Or if you know someone who'd like one.
  122. # [15:50] <@davidb> interesting
  123. # [15:50] <@davidb> marcoz: are you using git rather than mercurial for mozilla-central for building ffos?
  124. # [15:50] <@marcoz> eeejay: Perhaps you'd like to procure one this time, too, you mentioned it a few weeks ago: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/171123860758
  125. # [15:51] <@marcoz> davidb: No I am not.
  126. # [15:51] <@davidb> ok
  127. # [15:51] <@davidb> resurrecting my enviro
  128. # [15:52] <@marcoz> I do have a b2g directory where I have a default build setup that pulls everything from Github, but for those extra patches etc., I actually made it look for a Mercurial-based copy of M-C and use that instead.
  129. # [15:53] <@marcoz> davidb: Same with Gaia. I install Gaia and Gecko from those custom locations for development purposes.
  130. # [15:53] <@davidb> it seems there are options
  131. # [16:00] <@marcoz> Yup. If you need any help setting stuff up, let me know and I'll give you pointers on how to do it.
  132. # [16:00] <@marcoz> davidb: ...
  133. # [16:00] <@davidb> marcoz: if you have notes i could follow please do share
  134. # [16:00] <@davidb> i imagine we have similar taste in workflow
  135. # [16:01] <@davidb> my main goal is to be able to test the latest stuff
  136. # [16:01] <@davidb> keep an eye on braille etc
  137. # [16:01] <@davidb> although you probably have that covered?
  138. # [16:01] <@davidb> so i should probably focus on android
  139. # [16:01] <@davidb> hmmm
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  141. # [16:02] <@davidb> let me think
  142. # [16:02] <@davidb> i don't have braille in ffos on my uberlist
  143. # [16:02] <@marcoz> davidb: There is no braille support in B2G yet. First, I'd say get the build env set up as documented in MDN. Once you have that running, I can put together something to give you the pointer to an extra m-c and how to adjust gaia to test the latest and greatest.
  144. # [16:03] <@davidb> ok so there is https://wiki.mozilla.org/B2G/Hacking and...
  145. # [16:03] <@davidb> hmm
  146. # [16:03] <@davidb> is there an MDN page on building?
  147. # [16:04] <@davidb> marcoz: do you use eeejay's fork of gaia?
  148. # [16:04] <@davidb> i sort of have that set up already
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  151. # [16:06] <@marcoz> davidb: No, not any more, since he currently has most of his stuff upstreaming to Mozilla-B2G/Gaia anyway. So I am keeping that master up to date, and once eeejay has stuff like bug 914892 landed, will start hacking on some of the apps myself. So I suggest staying in symc with Mozilla-b2g/Gaia.
  152. # [16:06] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=914892 nor, --, ---, eitan, NEW, Make switch/checkbox/radio options screen reader friendly
  153. # [16:07] <@davidb> good
  154. # [16:07] <@marcoz> davidb: And yes, there are several pages on MDN about building Firefox OS.
  155. # [16:07] <@davidb> marcoz: i'm unlucky today can you point me to them/one?
  156. # [16:08] <@marcoz> davidb: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Mozilla/Firefox_OS/Building_and_installing_Firefox_OS
  157. # [16:08] <@davidb> thanks
  158. # [16:09] <@davidb> marcoz: how do we update gone?
  159. # [16:09] <@davidb> gonk
  160. # [16:09] <@marcoz> There are several ./build.sh parameters that can be used. If without parameters, everything will be built and updated, including gonk.
  161. # [16:10] <@marcoz> And flahshed via ./flash.sh.
  162. # [16:10] <@davidb> ok great
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  170. # [16:59] <@firebot> bobbyholley+bmo@gmail.com requested needinfo from trev.saunders@gma il.com on bug 905909.
  171. # [16:59] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=905909 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, test_tree.xul causes infinite recursion
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  175. # [17:08] <@marcoz> davidb: PM'ed ya.
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  178. # [17:22] <@firebot> trev.saunders@gmail.com cancelled needinfo?(trev.saunders@gma il.com) on bug 905909.
  179. # [17:22] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=905909 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, test_tree.xul causes infinite recursion
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  184. # [17:42] <@marcoz> davidb: eeejay: I feel like having wild ideas today: https://twitter.com/MarcoInEnglish/status/378541727067299840
  185. # [17:42] <@davidb> marcoz: see the reply?
  186. # [17:43] <@davidb> indiegogo
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  189. # [17:48] <@marcoz> davidb: Yeah, but before you can raise funds, you need the person(s) to do the work once you've got the money.
  190. # [17:48] <@marcoz> Like I wrote in my reply to that reply: I have the desire to have #FirefoxOS run on the HTC One, but not the engineering skill to do it.
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  192. # [17:49] <@marcoz> (and using Hashtags on IRC is not the most clever of ideas.)
  193. # [17:50] <@davidb> kickstarter
  194. # [17:50] <@davidb> heh
  195. # [17:52] <@marcoz> Again: I'd need to find someone to do the work first. ;)
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  197. # [17:52] <@davidb> yeah
  198. # [17:53] <@davidb> presumably if you made the amount high enough that would be easy
  199. # [18:01] <@marcoz> davidb: Think so, too. Imagining myself writing a blog post calling out to Android/Linux devs/hackers and those on XDA to send in applications and how much money they'd want. There are a few folks on there creating custom Android ROMs for the HTC, so they are experienced.
  200. # [18:01] <@marcoz> davidb: The one thing I'm wondering is if I should write to Dietrich if he sees any problems if I do this.
  201. # [18:04] <@davidb> marcoz: yes definitely check with folks
  202. # [18:05] <@davidb> also, we're big enough that we might not be aware of already happening things
  203. # [18:12] <@marcoz> davidb: A search on the XDA Forums did not turn up anything for the HTC One, just for a few other HTC devices.
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  212. # [19:05] <@surkov> davidb: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Firefox/Windows_8_Integration#DOM_Inspector
  213. # [19:05] <@davidb> cool
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  222. # [20:02] <@eeejay> surkov, are you the maintainer of dom inspector?
  223. # [20:04] <@surkov> eeejay: not really, why do you ask?
  224. # [20:04] <@davidb> almost a co-owner i thought
  225. # [20:04] <@eeejay> surkov, it looks like ctrl+shift+i is taken by devtools in nightly, and i am too lazy to file a bug :)
  226. # [20:05] <@surkov> eeejay: DOMi is not honoured anymore :)
  227. # [20:05] <@eeejay> shame
  228. # [20:05] <@eeejay> we should make an a11y tree inspector in devtools
  229. # [20:06] <@surkov> eeejay: I can help you by link :) https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=Other%20Applications&component=DOM%20Inspector
  230. # [20:06] <@surkov> probably yes
  231. # [20:06] * @eeejay files bug
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  233. # [20:07] <@davidb> eeejay: i thought that was a known issue
  234. # [20:07] <@eeejay> oh well
  235. # [20:07] <@davidb> heh
  236. # [20:08] <@eeejay> typically i assume that all things i notice are known issues
  237. # [20:08] <@eeejay> like when someone is dying on the street, i assume someone else will save them
  238. # [20:08] <@davidb> s'fine
  239. # [20:11] <@eeejay> ugh, gaia master redid the lockscreen and broke a11y
  240. # [20:14] <@davidb> eeejay: is the lack of tests the main problem?
  241. # [20:14] <@eeejay> davidb, it doesn't help
  242. # [20:14] <@eeejay> davidb, they are moving the tests to the gaia tree which is good.
  243. # [20:14] <@eeejay> and they closed my long-standing pull request
  244. # [20:16] <@davidb> eeejay: closed?
  245. # [20:17] <@davidb> was there an explanation?
  246. # [20:17] <@eeejay> i am supposed to refile against gaia
  247. # [20:17] <@eeejay> yeah
  248. # [20:17] <@davidb> oh ok
  249. # [20:17] <@eeejay> it wasn't that bad
  250. # [20:17] <@eeejay> we are all on the same side, yada yada
  251. # [20:17] <@davidb> ok
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  255. # [20:39] <@surkov> tbsaunde: when would you want to land bug 888981 before or after merging?
  256. # [20:39] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=888981 cri, --, ---, trev.saunders, REOP, DownThemAll! causes browser to hang indefinitely
  257. # [20:40] <@tbsaunde> surkov: seems fairly safe, so I don't think I'm afraid to land it before
  258. # [20:40] <@surkov> tbsaunde: ok, cool
  259. # [20:41] <@tbsaunde> I wasn't plaing on doing anything to HyperTextAccessible::CacheChildren you just introduced
  260. # [20:41] <@tbsaunde> there's bunch of CacheChildren impls around and we can fix them later I guess
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  262. # [21:01] <@tbsaunde> surkov: any reason to use arrays of arrays of arrays for bug 672717 instead of (point, point list) list
  263. # [21:01] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=672717 nor, --, ---, surkov.alexander, ASSI, Broken caret when moving into/out of embedded objects with right arrow
  264. # [21:01] <@surkov> tbsaunde: code snippet?
  265. # [21:02] <@surkov> array is sort of list
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  267. # [21:02] <@tbsaunde> surkov: yeah, but it would be nice if the check point and the list of points to test where properties
  268. # [21:03] <@surkov> tbsaunde: if it doesn't get much longer then why not, I think I used arrays there to have short style
  269. # [21:05] <@tbsaunde> surkov: I don't see why it would get much longer and it would be more readable I think
  270. # [21:05] <@surkov> tbsaunde: ok, pls put your example in bug
  271. # [21:06] <@tbsaunde> ok
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  276. # [21:33] <@firebot> trev.saunders@gmail.com granted review for attachment 804110 on bug 672717.
  277. # [21:33] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=672717 nor, --, ---, surkov.alexander, ASSI, Broken caret when moving into/out of embedded objects with right arrow
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  298. # [23:02] <james> hi - has anyone ever used getStringStates in nsIAccessibleRetrieval ? I'm not getting anything meaningful from it (String List always has a length of 1)
  299. # [23:04] <@tbsaunde> james: according to grep the test suite uses it
  300. # [23:04] <james> getState on the accessible node is returning the values for aStates and aExtraStates just fine but when I pass them into getStringStates nothing seems to work
  301. # [23:04] <@tbsaunde> what are you passing it?
  302. # [23:05] <james> is the test suite publically viewable?
  303. # [23:05] <james> if so just browsing the code might help me spot an error
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  305. # [23:07] <james> accNodeName.getState(myStates,moreStates);
  306. # [23:07] <james> stringStatesList = OGHAG.accRetrieval.getStringStates(myStates,moreStates);
  307. # [23:07] <james>
  308. # [23:08] <james> myStates and moreStates are getting populated just fine by the first call but the 2nd call always returns a string list of length 1
  309. # [23:08] <james> I do the same thing for getStringRole and that works fine
  310. # [23:10] <@tbsaunde> huh, weird
  311. # [23:11] <@tbsaunde> james: http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla/mozilla-central/source/accessible/tests/mochitest/states/
  312. # [23:12] <james> thanks very much - I'll take a look
  313. # [23:14] <james> any idea what the license is on these test suite files
  314. # [23:15] <@tbsaunde> cc0 iirc
  315. # [23:15] <james> nice
  316. # [23:15] <james> :)
  317. # [23:16] <@tbsaunde> the source for that method is in http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla/mozilla-central/source/accessible/src/base/nsAccessibilityService.cpp fwiw
  318. # [23:16] <james> I really like the look of roles.js, states.js and common.js - will simplify a bunch of my dev work
  319. # [23:18] <james> thanks for your help - I'll investigate more and see if i can work it out
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  321. # [23:26] <@tbsaunde> np
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  323. # [23:44] <james> tbsaunde: pulling in your util classes did the trick so need to debug what is wrong with my code a little more
  324. # [23:46] <@tbsaunde> james: cool :)
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