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  1. # Session Start: Fri Sep 20 00:00:00 2013
  2. # Session Ident: #accessibility
  3. # [00:00] <@eeejay> aja, yeah?
  4. # [00:00] <aja> implicit label-for
  5. # [00:00] <@eeejay> aja, glad you approve :)
  6. # [00:02] * aja adds yanking of hard-coded crap from a couple sites to his to-do list
  7. # [00:03] <@eeejay> aja, what sites? who are you? :)
  8. # [00:05] <aja> aja: i'm just a generic tester. the sites are intranet stuff.
  9. # [00:05] <@eeejay> aja, awesome
  10. # [00:06] <aja> label "for" attribute has always annoyed me...cuz of otherwise unnecessary ids
  11. # [00:06] <aja> ...which is
  12. # [00:07] <aja> which has always been an issue for syndication, imo
  13. # [00:08] <aja> dup ids in xml and all that
  14. # [00:13] <@eeejay> aja,
  15. # [00:13] <@eeejay> yeah
  16. # [00:13] <@eeejay> agreed
  17. # [00:13] <@eeejay> pain
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  20. # [00:21] <aja> eeejay: any plans for uplift, e.g. to esr24 ?
  21. # [00:22] <@eeejay> aja, not that i know of. i guess you could ask
  22. # [00:22] <@eeejay> aja, i assume that we wouldn't do that because it is not a security issue
  23. # [00:22] <@eeejay> or a serious bug
  24. # [00:26] * aja moves it on down the to-do list...until next year
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  26. # [00:30] <davidb> ashughes: pong
  27. # [00:31] <ashughes> davidb, just wanted to let you know that I made some progress with bug 881636
  28. # [00:31] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=881636 cri, --, ---, nobody, NEW, crash in mozilla::a11y::DocAccessible::UpdateTree
  29. # [00:32] <davidb> Nice! Trevor is taking lead on fixing.
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  32. # [01:19] <erkan^> http://www.aisquared.com/zoomtextmac/more/keyboard/
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  44. # [02:07] <@firebot> lsblakk@mozilla.com granted approval-mozilla-aurora for attachment 806145 on bug 917399.
  45. # [02:07] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=917399 nor, --, mozilla27, eitan, RESO FIXED, [AccessFu] Remove mozContentEvent listener and listen for settings changes directly
  46. # [02:28] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org requested review from yura.zenevich@gmail .com for attachment 807526 on bug 915458.
  47. # [02:28] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=915458 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [AccessFu] When traversing a label that nests a radio/checkbox we should land only on the label
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  50. # [03:11] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 918598 filed by eitan@monotonous.org.
  51. # [03:11] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=918598 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [AccessFu] Support touch typing
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  54. # [03:13] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org requested review from marco.zehe@googlema il.com for attachment 807539 on bug 918598.
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  56. # [03:53] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com set status-firefox26 to fixed on bug 917399.
  57. # [03:53] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com set status-firefox27 to fixed on bug 917399.
  58. # [03:53] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=917399 nor, --, mozilla27, eitan, RESO FIXED, [AccessFu] Remove mozContentEvent listener and listen for settings changes directly
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  79. # [12:04] <@firebot> emorley@mozilla.com changed the Resolution on bug 687414 from --- to FIXED.
  80. # [12:04] <@firebot> emorley@mozilla.com changed the Status on bug 687414 from NEW to RESOLVED.
  81. # [12:04] <@firebot> emorley@mozilla.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 687414 from --- to mozilla27.
  82. # [12:04] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=687414 nor, --, mozilla27, eitan, RESO FIXED, label_for relation is missed on label implicitly associated with control
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  105. # [15:33] <@marcoz> Good morning davidb!
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  108. # [15:39] <davidb> hi marcoz
  109. # [15:39] <davidb> any success at the apple store?
  110. # [15:43] <@firebot> dbolter@mozilla.com changed the Assignee on bug 881636 from nobody@mozilla.org to trev.saunders@gmail.com.
  111. # [15:43] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=881636 cri, --, ---, trev.saunders, NEW, crash in mozilla::a11y::DocAccessible::UpdateTree
  112. # [15:46] <@marcoz> davidb: Nope. All sold out before I could get in.
  113. # [15:51] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> oh hai
  114. # [15:52] <davidb> hi Tomcat|sheriffduty
  115. # [15:53] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> btw if you have any tree related issue/question etc that we sheriffs can solve let me know :)
  116. # [15:53] <davidb> Tomcat|sheriffduty: thanks! I'm happy to see the ASAN work paying off.
  117. # [15:54] <davidb> (the address sanitizer builds getting tested now)
  118. # [15:55] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> :)
  119. # [15:55] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> yeah
  120. # [15:55] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> i also moved to sheriffs 3 months ago now
  121. # [15:55] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> so kind of perma sheriff now :)
  122. # [15:55] <davidb> Tomcat|sheriffduty: it is a badge of honour
  123. # [15:55] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> :)
  124. # [15:55] <davidb> nothing really more important than the tree
  125. # [15:55] <davidb> I am sure philor and ryan are happy
  126. # [15:56] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> yeah
  127. # [15:56] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> we are also creating some kind of irc channel list that sheriffs should aware of and i put this channel also in it
  128. # [15:57] <Tomcat|sheriffduty> in case we have a question around accessibility
  129. # [15:57] <davidb> cool
  130. # [15:57] <davidb> many (all?) of us hang in #developers too
  131. # [15:58] <davidb> (I used to sheriff but was never a perma-sheriff)
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  134. # [16:19] <davidb> marcoz: are you testing the bug 918598 patch?
  135. # [16:19] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=918598 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [AccessFu] Support touch typing
  136. # [16:20] <@marcoz> davidb: I plan to, but first need to get Gaia back into a state where I can unlock the phone. :) Bug 916268 hinders me.
  137. # [16:20] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=916268 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Recent lockscreen redesign breaks accessibility mode
  138. # [16:20] <davidb> ok
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  141. # [16:47] <@marcoz> davidb: I'm glad you're having similar questions about bug 918598 as I had when reading the patch.
  142. # [16:47] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=918598 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [AccessFu] Support touch typing
  143. # [16:48] <davidb> :)
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  145. # [16:55] <@marcoz> davidb: Got the ZTE phone today. My strategy is: Use Unagi for the wild and dirty testing, and use the ZTE phone to test actually checked in stuff only.
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  147. # [16:56] <davidb> good plan
  148. # [16:56] <davidb> to start with
  149. # [16:56] <@marcoz> davidb: This afternoon was spent doing a ./config.sh for the ZTE phone in a separate tree. Downloaded half the internets again. :)
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  151. # [16:58] <davidb> oof
  152. # [17:05] <davidb> tbsaunde: I bet your suggestion makes sense but I'm not sure I understand how to parse it.
  153. # [17:06] <davidb> tbsaunde: i guess i'm most confused about "special case ObjectAccessible / the atk equivelent thing"
  154. # [17:06] <davidb> can you elaborate?
  155. # [17:06] <davidb> do we do some special checking in ark?
  156. # [17:06] <davidb> atk
  157. # [17:07] <davidb> also, good morning!
  158. # [17:07] <@tbsaunde> davidb: special checking in atk for what?
  159. # [17:07] <davidb> i dunno
  160. # [17:08] <davidb> my understanding of your comment is full of gaps
  161. # [17:08] <@tbsaunde> huh, I thought it was fairly straight forward :/
  162. # [17:08] <davidb> tbsaunde: it might well be
  163. # [17:09] <davidb> but not to me, today
  164. # [17:09] <@tbsaunde> the problem is we have some super special accessibles with null mContent
  165. # [17:09] * davidb nods
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  167. # [17:10] <@tbsaunde> if child at DocAccessible.cpp:1785 is one of those special accessibles you'll crash a few lines later
  168. # [17:10] <davidb> yep
  169. # [17:10] <davidb> that part i get.
  170. # [17:10] <davidb> what does 'atk equivalent thing' mean?
  171. # [17:11] <@tbsaunde> davidb: istr the atk plugin setup has something like HTMLWinObjecOwnerAccessible
  172. # [17:11] <@tbsaunde> where mContent is null
  173. # [17:11] <davidb> oh
  174. # [17:13] <davidb> ok clearer.
  175. # [17:13] <davidb> thanks
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  177. # [17:17] <@marcoz> davidb: I'll leave the answer to your question to eeejay. He has more dealings with the Gaia folks than I do, and there may just be a problem with the amount and complexity of patches that we'd still have to land in Gaia.
  178. # [17:18] <davidb> marcoz: yeah
  179. # [17:18] <davidb> Mostly I want to know if there is much to gain by having it in 1.2
  180. # [17:18] <davidb> I assumed there was, based on minimal evidence.
  181. # [17:19] <@marcoz> davidb: It would take the burden of installing a custom gaia onto a developer phone by a developer, make it easier for them just to turn on the screen reader.
  182. # [17:20] <@marcoz> davidb: But it would also mean that more recent updates would not be reflected in their general setup if they stuck with a 1.2 version of Gaia, whereas we make progress for the next version, developed in master, every day.
  183. # [17:20] <davidb> but that will always be true
  184. # [17:21] <@marcoz> davidb: Yes, but in 1.3 and above, we'd have much better accessibility over-all from the start.
  185. # [17:21] <@marcoz> Whereas the steps currently taken are bigger, the ground-work is being laid.
  186. # [17:21] <davidb> fair, but I feel I don't know the definition of 'much' as well as you guys do.
  187. # [17:21] <davidb> So what we have in 1.2 isn't really enough to test with?
  188. # [17:21] <@marcoz> davidb: See eeejay's recent patch/branch queue: https://github.com/eeejay/gaia/branches
  189. # [17:22] <davidb> :)
  190. # [17:22] <@marcoz> davidb: Unless we're willing to land a fair amount of patches on 1.2, some of them rather big, navigating with the screen reader is possible, but still very cumbersome, in the Settings app.
  191. # [17:23] <davidb> what about navigating an app under development?
  192. # [17:28] <@marcoz> davidb: That should mostly work.
  193. # [17:29] <@marcoz> davidb: Yes, that would be OK.
  194. # [17:29] <davidb> hmmm
  195. # [17:29] <davidb> ok let's hear form eeejay
  196. # [17:29] <@marcoz> I think. But a few things would still have to land on 1.2. bug 916268 for example, or the developr cannot unlock the screen when the screen reader is active.
  197. # [17:29] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=916268 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Recent lockscreen redesign breaks accessibility mode
  198. # [17:30] <davidb> bah
  199. # [17:30] <davidb> gah rather.
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  203. # [17:43] <@marcoz> Bah, the ZTE turns its developer mode off after the first flashing step.
  204. # [18:07] * @eeejay waves
  205. # [18:22] <@eeejay> marcoz, the zte open?
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  210. # [18:45] <@marcoz> eeejay: Yes, bug 910265. OTA updates fixed this for me. However, simply putting gaia/build/customprefs.js and gaia/build/customsettings.json does not make the build accessible for me yet. Everything else is as pulled by configure.sh and build.sh. After flashing, it does not talk yet.
  211. # [18:45] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=910265 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, ZTE Open device ships locked
  212. # [18:46] <@eeejay> marcoz, you may be missing a hyphen
  213. # [18:47] <@marcoz> eeejay: I copied the two files from my other gaia directory.
  214. # [18:47] <@eeejay> hm
  215. # [18:48] <@marcoz> So my spelling here may be off, but the file names match what I have in that other gaia dir where I do all the crazy stuff.
  216. # [18:48] <@marcoz> eeejay: Is there a third config file somewhere that I may be missing? One that turns off the first-run experience?
  217. # [18:49] <@eeejay> marcoz, NOFTU=1
  218. # [18:49] <@eeejay> marcoz, so when you do make, precede with NOFTU=1
  219. # [18:49] <@eeejay> like this: NOFTU=1 make reset-gaia
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  222. # [18:51] <@firebot> dbolter@mozilla.com granted review for attachment 807539 on bug 918598.
  223. # [18:51] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=918598 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [AccessFu] Support touch typing
  224. # [18:53] <@marcoz> eeejay: Ouch! http://pastebin.mozilla.org/3105372
  225. # [18:55] <@eeejay> marcoz, yikes
  226. # [18:55] <@eeejay> marcoz, i would take that to #b2g
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  230. # [18:59] <@marcoz> eeejay: On my way there. :)
  231. # [18:59] <@marcoz> eeejay: In the meantime, did you get my message about applying those patches?
  232. # [18:59] <@eeejay> marcoz, no?
  233. # [19:00] <@eeejay> marcoz, ah! yes
  234. # [19:00] <@eeejay> marcoz, the easiest way to bring single patches into your branch is git cherry-pick
  235. # [19:02] <@marcoz> So I need to fetch your latest stuff, then do a git cherry-pick and pass in the commit IDs I want?
  236. # [19:03] <@marcoz> eeejay: I apparently need a rooted boot.img to make make reset-gaia/install-gaia work. Yikes, ZTE *have* locked down these phones!
  237. # [19:04] <@eeejay> marcoz, that should be possible no? i have seen a lot of discussion about that
  238. # [19:05] <@marcoz> eeejay: I hope bkelly has an idea!
  239. # [19:05] <@marcoz> eeejay: Re cherry-pick: Was I right above? git fetch your stuff, then git cherry-pick your commit IDs?
  240. # [19:05] <@eeejay> marcoz, yep
  241. # [19:06] <@marcoz> eeejay: Oooookay….. But I can already see that I will have a lot of fun with dependencies. O_O :)
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  243. # [19:23] <@marcoz> OK, I'm off for the weekend. See you on Monday!
  244. # [19:26] <@firebot> marco.zehe@googlemail.com granted review for attachment 807539 on bug 918598.
  245. # [19:26] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=918598 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [AccessFu] Support touch typing
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  257. # [20:27] <@firebot> trev.saunders@gmail.com requested review from surkov.alexander@gm ail.com for attachment 807875 on bug 881636.
  258. # [20:27] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=881636 cri, --, ---, trev.saunders, NEW, crash in mozilla::a11y::DocAccessible::UpdateTree
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