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- # Session Start: Tue Oct 01 00:00:00 2013
- # Session Ident: #accessibility
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- # [00:52] <cabanier> who here is familiar with canvas focus rings?
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- # [00:53] <cabanier> or has an opinion on them?
- # [00:54] <@tbsaunde> its kind of late for those people to around davidb and surkov are both in toronto
- # [00:57] <@surkov> cabanier: in what sense familiar? I read the proposed spec but I don't know the code
- # [01:02] <cabanier> surkov: do you think the API sounds reasonable?
- # [01:02] <cabanier> surkov: would you object if it was implemented in FF?
- # [01:03] <cabanier> surkov: FF has no implementation so I'm working on one
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- # [01:20] <@eeejay> surkov, ping?
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- # [01:56] <@eeejay> davidb, heyo
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- # [02:12] <@davidb> Howdy
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- # [02:50] <@surkov> cabanier: yes, I know, more or less reasonable, if I designed it then probably I would end up with something else, but it might be ok as the first approach
- # [02:50] <@surkov> cabanier: anyway you'd need to reach some content team guys
- # [02:50] <@surkov> for example smaug
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- # [02:59] <cabanier> surkov: Thanks!
- # [03:00] <@surkov> thanks to you
- # [03:00] <cabanier> surkov: do you know where he hangs out?
- # [03:00] <@surkov> #developers
- # [03:00] <@surkov> everybody there
- # [03:01] <cabanier> ok.
- # [03:01] <cabanier> going over there
- # [03:01] <@surkov> he's in europe so might be not there now
- # [03:01] <cabanier> yeah. I don't see him
- # [03:01] <cabanier> I'll ping him tomorrow
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- # [03:10] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com changed the Assignee on bug 748639 from nishantg2108@gmail.com to surkov.alexander@gmail.com.
- # [03:10] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com requested review from trev.saunders@gmail .com for attachment 812378 on bug 748639.
- # [03:10] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=748639 nor, --, ---, surkov.alexander, NEW, add set of internal accessible relation types
- # [03:12] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com cancelled needinfo?(nishantg2108@gmai l.com) on bug 748639.
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- # [03:25] <@tbsaunde> surkov: hm, any reason not to use mfbt/TypedEnum.h stuff instead of typedef and namespace hacks?
- # [03:25] <@surkov> tbsaunde: just following pattern
- # [03:27] <@tbsaunde> surkov: well, I'd like to make Roles.h used TypedEnum.h at some point I htink just haven't had time / priorities
- # [03:27] <@surkov> I never used TypedEnum.h
- # [03:28] <@tbsaunde> well, you don't need it that often ;)
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- # [04:14] <@firebot> jamie@nvaccess.org changed the Status on bug 920547 from RESOLVED to VERIFIED.
- # [04:14] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=920547 nor, --, mozilla27, surkov.alexander, VERI FIXED, create generic accessibles for mathml elements
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- # [12:01] <@firebot> emorley@mozilla.com changed the Resolution on bug 922184 from --- to FIXED.
- # [12:01] <@firebot> emorley@mozilla.com changed the Status on bug 922184 from NEW to RESOLVED.
- # [12:01] <@firebot> emorley@mozilla.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 922184 from --- to mozilla27.
- # [12:01] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=922184 nor, --, mozilla27, surkov.alexander, RESO FIXED, move IAccessible2 implementation into separate class
- # [12:02] <@firebot> emorley@mozilla.com changed the Resolution on bug 920738 from --- to FIXED.
- # [12:02] <@firebot> emorley@mozilla.com changed the Status on bug 920738 from NEW to RESOLVED.
- # [12:02] <@firebot> emorley@mozilla.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 920738 from --- to mozilla27.
- # [12:03] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=920738 nor, --, mozilla27, trev.saunders, RESO FIXED, don't unbind accessibles in XULTextfieldAccessible::CacheChildren()
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- # [14:29] * @davidb hunts bus
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- # [15:21] <davidb> heyo
- # [15:26] <@marcoz> Heyo davidb!
- # [15:26] <davidb> hi hi
- # [15:30] <@tbsaunde> davidb: with a spear?
- # [15:30] <davidb> tbsaunde: hmmm?
- # [15:31] <@tbsaunde> davidb: just curious whatthe connical wapon to hunt a bus is
- # [15:31] <davidb> ahhh
- # [15:31] <davidb> sometimes i think a bicycle would be good bait
- # [15:35] <@tbsaunde> heh
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- # [16:37] <davidb> marcoz: do you mind taking a peek at bug 920120?
- # [16:37] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=920120 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, Starting with SM2.21, NVDA no longer sees graphic images when pressing G or shift-G to move to the n
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- # [16:43] <@marcoz> davidb: Just did. No idea what's going on at David's end. I cannot reproduce this in either SeaMonkey 2.21 or Firefox, both current release and Nightly.
- # [16:43] <davidb> ok
- # [16:44] <davidb> the test case seems fragile… since it involves a search
- # [16:44] <@marcoz> Yeah, but I get search results. I used the "little women" suggestion he provided. I get results, and also graphics like "Texts", "Movies" etc.
- # [16:45] <davidb> ok
- # [16:45] <davidb> i did the search too and got results...
- # [16:45] <davidb> didn't try nvda though
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- # [17:44] <@tbsaunde> davidb: surkov I'm thinking of heading over to mmystic muffin for lunch so I can grab a apple cake for this evening fwiw
- # [17:45] <@surkov> I'm home today
- # [17:46] <davidb> that's probably about a 30 min walk
- # [17:46] <@tbsaunde> davidb: yeah, was planning on street caring it
- # [17:47] <@marcoz> Fun! Dear colleagues, if I shout out a cry for help on the B2G list, can't just *someone* step up and say clearly that the ZTE phones currently aren't compatible with Central or even Aurora code? Do I have to find out myself by digging in the virtually hundreds of RIL builds! Grrrrrrrrrrr!
- # [17:47] <davidb> maybe not many people know
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- # [17:49] <davidb> eeejay: you awake?
- # [17:54] <@marcoz> davidb: That's certainly possible, but I thought at least *someone* would. ;)
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- # [18:00] <davidb> eeeeeeeeejay!
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- # [18:27] <davidb> eeejay: oh let's stay on
- # [18:27] <@eeejay> davidb, still there
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- # [18:42] <@eeejay> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=869280
- # [18:42] <@firebot> Bug 869280 nor, --, mozilla24, eitan, RESO FIXED, Add temporary modal subtree to pivot API
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- # [19:35] <@tbsaunde> surkov: so are you convinced to used TypedEnum.h for relations?
- # [19:36] <@surkov> tbsaunde: what is a background of it?
- # [19:37] <@tbsaunde> surkov: please rephrase?
- # [19:37] <@surkov> tbsaunde: I mean what is idea of TypedEnum?
- # [19:37] <@surkov> what benefits are?
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- # [19:50] <@tbsaunde> surkov: gets you the namespaceing without typedef and namespace weirdness
- # [19:53] <@surkov> having namespaces, I have things like RelType (a type) and rels::LABEL_FOR what looks nice. What will I have using TypedEnum?
- # [19:55] <@tbsaunde> I think the only change should be RelType::LABEL_FOR instead of rels::LABEL_FOR which I'd say you should do anyway
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- # [20:05] <@surkov> tbsaunde: why?
- # [20:07] <@tbsaunde> surkov: because what does "rels" mean its really odd
- # [20:07] <@surkov> just a namespace for constants
- # [20:09] <@surkov> tbsaunde: I'd safe this change for a next time because 1) rels namespace doesn't look really bad 2) it's consistent with roles and states 3) the change will require some merging in my patch queue
- # [20:10] <@tbsaunde> how is it consistant? roles and states are english words, rels is very much not
- # [20:10] <@tbsaunde> is running sed really that hard?
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- # [20:24] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 922751 filed by eitan@monotonous.org.
- # [20:24] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=922751 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, Provide a state or method to distinguish obscured elements
- # [20:25] <@surkov> tbsaunde: consistent in terms they are in lowercase, merging is not really hard, just might be time consuming since you need to del with rejected and then rebuild to make it's working
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- # [20:25] <@eeejay> davidb, surkov, tbsaunde, i'm curious what you guys think about the bug above ^
- # [20:25] <@surkov> eeejay: isn't it covered by invisible?
- # [20:26] <@surkov> state
- # [20:26] <@eeejay> surkov, not currently
- # [20:26] * @eeejay triple checks
- # [20:26] <@surkov> eeejay: I'd say it should be (iirc we had a bug)
- # [20:26] <@surkov> and if not then I've been asked to file it but I didn't
- # [20:27] <@eeejay> surkov, i am afraid of false positives if we suddenly change the behavior of invisible
- # [20:27] <@eeejay> ah, ok
- # [20:27] <@surkov> eeejay: do you need a separate state or invisible works for you?
- # [20:27] <@surkov> yeah, it could be
- # [20:27] <@surkov> but other APIs don't have obscured state
- # [20:27] <@eeejay> surkov, for my issues, invisible is perfect. but i am afraid it would break things on desktop
- # [20:27] <@tbsaunde> surkov: just ignore the rejected hunks and run sed s/rels::/RelationType/g again
- # [20:28] <@surkov> tbsaunde: that works if nothing around was rejected
- # [20:29] <@surkov> anyway, it could survive merging if I was sure I like the change
- # [20:29] <@tbsaunde> oh, because mercurial forces you to through away one side not the other
- # [20:31] * @tbsaunde really dislikes rels::
- # [20:32] <@davidb> eeejay: I'll mull it over soon. (In transit)
- # [20:32] <@surkov> tbsaunde: we have role:: and states::
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- # [20:35] <@tbsaunde> surkov: yes, and those are words and so make sense
- # [20:35] <@eeejay> surkov, yeah. it is not the case today. http://people.mozilla.org/~eisaacson/obscured_objects.html
- # [20:35] <@eeejay> Red should be invisible
- # [20:35] <@surkov> tbsaunde: but rels is short version of relations
- # [20:35] <@surkov> I could do relations:: but it's longer
- # [20:36] <@tbsaunde> relation::
- # [20:36] <@tbsaunde> ?
- # [20:37] <@surkov> tbsaunde: plural is in use
- # [20:37] <@surkov> roles and states
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- # [20:38] * @tbsaunde tends to think not plural makes more sense
- # [20:38] * @eeejay -> lunch
- # [20:39] <@surkov> tbsaunde: if you dislike these states:: and roles:: then it makes file a bug
- # [20:40] <@surkov> and I would keep that rels:: for that bug :)
- # [20:41] <@tbsaunde> and I just do what makes sense for new things and change old things later
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- # [21:13] <@surkov> that later never gets closer
- # [21:15] <@tbsaunde> you're free to make it if you care enough
- # [21:49] <@davidb|afk> eeejay: and what state does red have currently? non invisible i presume?
- # [21:50] <@eeejay> davidb|afk, correct
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- # [21:50] <@davidb> hmm
- # [21:50] <@davidb> eeejay: what if red was in tab order?
- # [21:50] <@davidb> i guess that is moot
- # [21:51] <@eeejay> not really
- # [21:51] * @eeejay tests with thickbox
- # [21:51] <@davidb> eeejay: what if red was there and the blue square slid animated over it?
- # [21:51] <@davidb> should it become invisible?
- # [21:51] <@davidb> should there be a state change?
- # [21:51] <@davidb> event
- # [21:52] <@davidb> (just probing here)
- # [21:52] <@davidb> what if the red box was hidden only because the screen was pinched?
- # [21:52] <@eeejay> davidb, yeah, i am looking into a state change event
- # [21:52] <@eeejay> davidb, it may not be worth it
- # [21:52] <@davidb> right
- # [21:53] <@davidb> some cases yes some cases no
- # [21:53] <@davidb> i think what really matters is web dev intention.
- # [21:53] <@davidb> (and we can't guess that in all cases)
- # [21:54] * @davidb sighs
- # [21:55] <@eeejay> davidb, that is a good argument for another state, and not to fold this in to invisible
- # [21:55] <@eeejay> we do the same thing with the opaque state
- # [21:56] <@davidb> i'm okay with another state - especially if we are sure what we want doesn't match with the msdn docs for the MSAA states
- # [21:57] <@davidb> it would be good to ask other AT
- # [21:57] <@davidb> but you are a good AT resource now :)
- # [21:59] <@davidb> eeejay: i see what you meant by making sure pointer events are not handled in the obscured area… that is critical.
- # [21:59] <@davidb> i think i grok you
- # [21:59] <@eeejay> cool :)
- # [22:00] <@eeejay> the tab order is tricky. that is also why it shouldn't be invisible
- # [22:01] <@davidb> right
- # [22:02] <@davidb> (i think)
- # [22:02] <@davidb> then there is offscreen.
- # [22:02] <@davidb> eeejay: did you consider offscreen?
- # [22:03] <@eeejay> davidb, possibly. although i think offscreen is already tricky
- # [22:04] <@eeejay> davidb, for example, offscreen signifies that you could scroll to it. or not.
- # [22:04] <@eeejay> ie. negative coordinates
- # [22:04] * @davidb nods
- # [22:04] <@eeejay> this would add another case
- # [22:05] <@davidb> offscreen seems like it *should* work though
- # [22:05] <@davidb> http://blogs.msdn.com/b/vsaccessibility/archive/2004/09/20/232157.aspx
- # [22:05] <@davidb> bbiab
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- # [22:29] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com requested review from trev.saunders@gmail .com for attachment 812812 on bug 843926.
- # [22:29] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=843926 nor, --, ---, surkov.alexander, NEW, Update ATK headers
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