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  1. # Session Start: Wed Oct 09 00:00:00 2013
  2. # Session Ident: #accessibility
  3. # [00:01] * khuey|notaround is now known as khuey|away
  4. # [00:40] <eeejay> surkov, yo?
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  7. # [00:49] <eeejay> surkov, tbsaunde, is there a good reason why invisible and offscreen are mutually exclusive?
  8. # [01:14] <@tbsaunde> eeejay: well, being invisible means user action won't make it visible which means it can't be offscreen
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  10. # [15:15] <yzen> marcoz: hi
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  12. # [15:16] <@marcoz> Hi yzen! :)
  13. # [15:16] <yzen> marcoz: I was actually wondering if you might have some insight into a bug i m working on right now - bug 924284
  14. # [15:16] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=924284 nor, --, ---, yura.zenevich, NEW, [AccessFu] Utter the value of input widgets.
  15. # [15:17] <@marcoz> yzen: Sure! What's the question you need help with?
  16. # [15:18] <yzen> marcoz: so i m looking at the input type range right now, which translates into a slider role, so i can handle it as one. eeejay mentioned the value of the input, but do we want to expose any other relevant attributes like min max etc
  17. # [15:19] <@marcoz> yzen: No, I don't think so. We could use the min and max values to give an indication, for example an earcon, to indicate that the user has reached the end of the available range. But it should not be announced I think.
  18. # [15:19] <yzen> marcoz: and on the other note, should i be looking at the other input types that are supported such as url, tel, search etc
  19. # [15:19] <yzen> marcoz: thanks
  20. # [15:19] <@marcoz> URL, TEL, Search all translate to standard text inputs. The value will contain the text typed in the field.
  21. # [15:20] <@marcoz> davidb: Have I shocked you with the mail I CC'd you on earlier? ;-)
  22. # [15:21] <davidb> marcoz: i haven't got to my bug mail yet :)
  23. # [15:21] <davidb> but i like the sound of that
  24. # [15:21] <yzen> marcoz: that's what i thought, ok so range is sort of a special one, thanks :)
  25. # [15:21] <@marcoz> yzen: In a separate bug, we could use object attributes to expose that certain inputs are search, tel, e-mail etc. fields if we like. Apple does this on iOS, but so far no screen reader on Windows implements this IIRC. Android does it in 4.3 and above.
  26. # [15:22] <@marcoz> davidb: Oh that's not in bug mail! ;)
  27. # [15:22] <yzen> marcoz: yes, I was wondering about that , should i file it ?
  28. # [15:22] <@marcoz> yzen: Sure!
  29. # [15:22] <davidb> ok let's see i have 62 emails in my moz inbox
  30. # [15:22] <yzen> marcoz: eqwl
  31. # [15:22] <davidb> aha yes
  32. # [15:22] <davidb> marcoz: yes i read that early this morning - brave man
  33. # [15:23] <davidb> marcoz: that spec needs someone to come in and write a more consumable version
  34. # [15:26] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 924896 filed by yura.zenevich@gmail.com.
  35. # [15:26] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=924896 nor, --, ---, yura.zenevich, NEW, [AccessFu] Expose whether the input is a search, url, tel, etc.
  36. # [15:38] <@marcoz> yzen: Thanks!
  37. # [15:38] <@marcoz> davidb: Heh, thanks! Let's see what we can do there! I need to get into WCAG WG first. ;)
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  43. # [16:11] <@marcoz> yzen: Yeah, leave placeholder out of the equation for this, it is not a good idea to use in mobile anyway, because it is a fleeing label. As soon as you focus the input, the placeholder goes away and there's no way to get it back.
  44. # [16:12] <yzen> marcoz: right, i only meant that it's an afordance for the sighted user
  45. # [16:20] <@marcoz> yzen: Also, did you check that we actually *do* expose the type as an object attribute at the moment?
  46. # [16:21] <yzen> marcoz: not yet, but will try it
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  52. # [17:52] * @surkov wants to rename yzen to ydzen
  53. # [17:55] <davidb> surkov: ?
  54. # [17:56] <@surkov> dzen something Chinese or some powerful energy, zen sounds close to it
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  56. # [17:59] <yzen> )
  57. # [18:00] * @surkov curious what is father name of yzen, if it's started from 'd'
  58. # [18:01] <yzen> Alex
  59. # [18:03] <@surkov> hm, doesn't work for dzen
  60. # [18:03] <yzen> ya very common
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  64. # [18:44] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org requested review from yura.zenevich@gmail .com for attachment 814955 on bug 915458.
  65. # [18:44] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=915458 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [AccessFu] When traversing a label that nests a radio/checkbox we should land only on the label
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  70. # [18:50] <@eeejay> yzen, i like the input types idea
  71. # [18:51] <yzen> eeejay: cool, ill work on it once I'm done with slider
  72. # [18:51] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 924983 filed by eitan@monotonous.org.
  73. # [18:52] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=924983 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, [AccessFu] Support range widget adjustment with up/down swipes
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  75. # [19:42] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com requested needinfo from jamie@nvaccess.or g on bug 567571.
  76. # [19:42] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=567571 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, caret-moved events missing at the end of a wrapped line of text in Thunderbird message composition
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  82. # [21:09] <@davidb> eeejay: great post (http://blog.monotonous.org/2013/10/09/an-introduction-to-making-firefox-os-apps-accessible/)
  83. # [21:09] <@eeejay> davidb, thanks!
  84. # [21:09] <@davidb> eeejay: bonus points for using webm
  85. # [21:11] <@eeejay> heh, its the default on free operating systems
  86. # [21:22] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 762934 from UNCONFIRMED to NEW.
  87. # [21:22] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=762934 nor, --, ---, nobody, UNCO, IA2_EVENT_TEXT_SELECTION_CHANGED event produces incorrect results when several text objects are sele
  88. # [21:26] <@davidb> eeejay: bonus points for using a free os
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