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- # Session Start: Wed Oct 16 00:00:00 2013
- # Session Ident: #accessibility
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- # [00:10] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 927159 filed by surkov.alexander@gmail.com.
- # [00:10] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=927159 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, nsISelectionListener notification isn't correct for XUL textbox for the first time
- # [00:11] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com changed the Component on bug 927159 from Disability Access APIs to Selection.
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- # [01:16] <@firebot> New Firefox - Disability Access bug 927193 filed by cpeterson@mozilla.com.
- # [01:16] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=927193 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, e10s support for Accessibility
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- # [08:37] <@firebot> yura.zenevich@gmail.com requested review from eitan@monotonous.or g for attachment 817658 on bug 924896.
- # [08:37] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=924896 nor, --, ---, yura.zenevich, NEW, [AccessFu] Expose whether the input is a search, url, tel, etc.
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- # [10:17] <@firebot> marco.zehe@googlemail.com denied feedback for attachment 817658 on bug 924896.
- # [10:17] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=924896 nor, --, ---, yura.zenevich, NEW, [AccessFu] Expose whether the input is a search, url, tel, etc.
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- # [11:27] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 927326 filed by jwatt@jwatt.org.
- # [11:27] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=927326 nor, --, ---, jwatt, NEW, Disable testing of <input type=number> in test_HTMLSpec.html until bug 559761 is fixed
- # [11:30] <@firebot> jwatt@jwatt.org requested review from surkov.alexander@gm ail.com for attachment 817716 on bug 927326.
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- # [12:10] <@firebot> New Core - Disability Access APIs bug 927337 filed by ishikawa@yk.rim.or.jp.
- # [12:10] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=927337 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, WARNING: /build/glib2.0-Ot8bbC/glib2.0-2.36.4/./gobject/gsignal.c:3429: signal name `selection_chang
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- # [13:59] <@marcoz> Good day all!
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- # [14:02] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com granted review for attachment 817716 on bug 927326.
- # [14:02] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=927326 nor, --, ---, jwatt, NEW, Disable testing of <input type=number> in test_HTMLSpec.html until bug 559761 is fixed
- # [14:02] <@surkov> hey, marcoz
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- # [14:20] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com changed the Resolution on bug 927193 from --- to DUPLICATE.
- # [14:20] <@firebot> surkov.alexander@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 927193 from NEW to RESOLVED.
- # [14:20] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=927193 nor, --, ---, nobody, RESO DUPLICATE, e10s support for Accessibility
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- # [14:40] <espressive> So, I have been reading a pretty old article be Steve Faulkner regarding the use of labels and form fields. The take away from it is basically to go for using label, not wrapping the form element and then using for/is to associated the two.
- # [14:41] <@marcoz> espressive: Yes, that advice is still very much valid, Sir! :)
- # [14:41] <espressive> However, in the comments thread he at one point suggests for modern browsers and AT, the best option is using label, wrapping the form element and then using aria-labeledby to connect the two
- # [14:42] <espressive> I was hoping for the second as it removes the need for additional markup i.e. divs when one wants the form elements to be laid out vertically as apposed to horizontally
- # [14:42] <@marcoz> espressive: Really? Hm, if proper labeling can be accomplished without aria-labelledby, it should be done without. aria-labelledby is only interesting if you cannot put the text in one single label, but have to split it up into more than one. And even then, wrapping is not really the best thing to do, IMO.
- # [14:42] <espressive> from testing with VoiceOver on Mac in Fx and Chrome, it seems that the second method works just fine
- # [14:43] <@marcoz> But Steve is a nice guy, perhaps he will be willing to explain why this comment.
- # [14:43] <espressive> marcoz: ah, see I read that and therefore have always been using for/id
- # [14:43] <espressive> When I read the comment I just though it is a nice win, more semantic HTML, less DIVs and accessibility is not lost
- # [14:44] <@marcoz> for/id also has the advantage that you can click the label, and focus goes to the input. aria-labelledby will never give you that. If wrapping does, I don't know.
- # [14:44] <espressive> wrapping does give the click to focus functionality
- # [14:45] <@marcoz> espressive: If something can be done with native HTML alone, it should be done. Don't use aria stuff just because you can. Only use it if it really makes sense.
- # [14:45] <espressive> marcoz: I totally agree
- # [14:45] <espressive> I reckon I will be sticking with the for/id method
- # [14:45] <espressive> Thanks for the feedback
- # [14:46] <@marcoz> espressive: You're welcome! :)
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- # [15:23] <yzen_> marcoz: hi
- # [15:25] <yzen_> marcoz: it totally makes sense, I should try fixing the type attribute for everyone
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- # [15:36] <@marcoz> yzen: Great! I think it makes sense to fix this for all API consumers, even though the implications are certainly more pronounced on mobile devices with adaptive touch keyboards.
- # [15:38] <@davidb|afk> tbsaunde: i think mhoye was asking about the tandem in the bike shed (see email)
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- # [16:25] <@tbsaunde> davidb: I'd assume so
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- # [17:46] <yzen_> marcoz, eeejay would you recommend another bug for gaia a11y, i m too scared to take one, since it might be worked on :)
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- # [17:59] <@eeejay> morn morn
- # [18:00] <@marcoz> yzen: If you like, you can look at bug 927447 which I just filed.
- # [18:00] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=927447 nor, --, ---, nobody, NEW, When manually adding a Wifi network, other screens are accessible by swiping
- # [18:00] <yzen> marcoz: thanks
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- # [18:02] <@eeejay> damn, missed marco
- # [18:02] <@eeejay> bye!
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- # [18:39] <@tbsaunde> surkov: it would be really nice if you fixed that orca issue with soft line breaks and end offsets this quarter, it annoys me ;)
- # [18:40] <@surkov> tbsaunde: which bug?
- # [18:40] <@surkov> I meant number
- # [18:40] <@tbsaunde> let me look
- # [18:50] <Gijs> How do I get an onscreen keyboard in WinXP again? :(
- # [18:51] <Gijs> ah, found it... (All Programs, Accessories)
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- # [21:48] <@firebot> eitan@monotonous.org denied review for attachment 817658 on bug 924896.
- # [21:49] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=924896 nor, --, ---, yura.zenevich, NEW, [AccessFu] Expose whether the input is a search, url, tel, etc.
- # [21:50] <@davidb|afk> booo hiss
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- # [21:52] <@eeejay> davidb, ?
- # [21:52] <@davidb> eeejay: r-
- # [21:52] <@davidb> just kidding around
- # [21:53] <@eeejay> harsh, i know
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- # [21:58] <yzen> :)
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- # [22:04] <@firebot> trev.saunders@gmail.com granted review for attachment 814150 on bug 873450.
- # [22:04] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=873450 nor, --, ---, surkov.alexander, ASSI, Implement IA2 containing relations
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- # [22:50] <@firebot> trev.saunders@gmail.com granted review for attachment 813324 on bug 843926.
- # [22:50] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=843926 nor, --, ---, surkov.alexander, NEW, Update ATK headers
- # [22:52] <@firebot> anthony.s.hughes@gmail.com requested needinfo from trev.saunders@gma il.com on bug 881636.
- # [22:52] <@firebot> anthony.s.hughes@gmail.com set status-firefox27 to verified on bug 881636.
- # [22:52] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=881636 cri, --, mozilla27, trev.saunders, VERI FIXED, crash in mozilla::a11y::DocAccessible::UpdateTree
- # [22:54] <@firebot> trev.saunders@gmail.com granted review for attachment 806700 on bug 917598.
- # [22:54] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=917598 nor, --, ---, surkov.alexander, ASSI, ISimpleDOMNode::innerHTML does not work on math elements
- # [22:56] <@firebot> trev.saunders@gmail.com cancelled needinfo?(trev.saunders@gma il.com) on bug 881636.
- # [23:01] <@firebot> trev.saunders@gmail.com requested approval-mozilla-beta from the wind for attachment 807875 on bug 881636.
- # [23:01] <@firebot> trev.saunders@gmail.com requested approval-mozilla-aurora from the wind for attachment 807875 on bug 881636.
- # [23:07] * Parts: clown_mtg (clown@67828CC7.C1A51174.9D42CF23.IP)
- # [23:20] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com changed the Resolution on bug 927326 from --- to FIXED.
- # [23:21] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com changed the Status on bug 927326 from NEW to RESOLVED.
- # [23:21] <@firebot> ryanvm@gmail.com changed the Target Milestone on bug 927326 from --- to mozilla27.
- # [23:21] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=927326 nor, --, mozilla27, jwatt, RESO FIXED, Disable testing of <input type=number> in test_HTMLSpec.html until bug 559761 is fixed
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