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  58. # [15:49] <@davidb> heyo!
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  62. # [16:05] <@marcoz> Hi there!
  63. # [16:05] <@marcoz> davidb: Hi! Sorry, feeling a bit under the weather today. :(
  64. # [16:05] <@davidb> marcoz: sorry to hear that. do you feel you can chime in on the goals email?
  65. # [16:06] <@marcoz> davidb: Oh, I did, but I must have hit "Reply" instead of "Reply All" when I did it. Basically I'm fine with eeejay's goal set. :)
  66. # [16:06] <@davidb> ok thanks :)
  67. # [16:07] <@marcoz> davidb: Also, moving the meeting to the 21st is a good idea!
  68. # [16:07] <@davidb> ok cool
  69. # [16:08] <@marcoz> davidb: I'll send out the meeting invitation on the 20th when I return from my honeymoon week.
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  71. # [16:08] <@davidb> thanks
  72. # [16:08] <@davidb> have a great one!
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  74. # [16:08] <@marcoz> Thanks! See you on the 20th!
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  82. # [17:27] <@davidb> tbsaunde: can you elaborate on 'internal' and 'platform'? especially interested in what definition of 'platform' you are using here.
  83. # [17:27] <@davidb> (sorry about lack of context for others)
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  89. # [18:44] <@tbsaunde> davidb: platform meaning stuff that implements {atk,msaa,ia2,mac} api and internal being Accessible
  90. # [18:44] <@davidb> ok
  91. # [18:44] <@tbsaunde> davidb: I think the platform stuff basically can never use nsIContent / nsIDocument / nsIDocShell etc
  92. # [18:45] <@davidb> how will platform and internal trees interact?
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  94. # [18:47] <@tbsaunde> davidb: not sure I get question
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  96. # [18:48] <@davidb> tbsaunde: if an AT asks a windows accessible object for some info... what happens? (in the new world)
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  98. # [18:51] <@davidb> hmmm
  99. # [18:52] <@davidb> tbsaunde: is this separation really just about making the later work (e.g. cache) saner?
  100. # [18:54] <@davidb> PMed ya
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  103. # [18:57] <@tbsaunde> davidb: so first you get into the platform wraper stuff the same way you do today
  104. # [18:58] <@davidb> i'm with you...
  105. # [18:59] <@tbsaunde> the difference is today sometimes that wrapper pokes at gecko internal stuff instead of just asking the internal accessibility layer
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  108. # [18:59] <@davidb> aha ok
  109. # [18:59] <@tbsaunde> also I do want to use seperate objects for the platform wrapper and the internal object
  110. # [18:59] <@davidb> ok
  111. # [19:00] <@davidb> so the internal stuff... we can worry about its content poking later?
  112. # [19:00] <@tbsaunde> so all the places in windows/ that have AccessibleWrap* acc = this; acc->foobar() would now be mGeckoAcc->foobar()
  113. # [19:00] <@tbsaunde> davidb: yeah
  114. # [19:01] <@davidb> ok that's clear now thanks!
  115. # [19:01] <@tbsaunde> or whawt I actually plan to do is have a subclass of Accessible that proxies calls
  116. # [19:01] <@tbsaunde> or uses the cache
  117. # [19:01] <@davidb> ok great
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  126. # [19:33] <eeejay> davidb, surkov, tbsaunde, yzen: i have an aria question :)
  127. # [19:33] * eeejay convenes team consultation
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  129. # [19:33] <eeejay> the pages on the homescreen..
  130. # [19:34] <eeejay> what role should they be. also, could i use aria-setsize/aria-posinset on a section role like region?
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  132. # [19:35] <eeejay> it works in our core (ie. it gets to groupPosition())
  133. # [19:35] <@tbsaunde> tabs? regions doesn't seem insane, I think there's some other grouping roles?
  134. # [19:36] <eeejay> tbsaunde, you mean tabpanel?
  135. # [19:37] <eeejay> could i use tabpanel without any related tab/tablist?
  136. # [19:37] <@davidb> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria/roles#region
  137. # [19:37] <@davidb> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria/roles#group
  138. # [19:38] <@davidb> "tabpanel (role) A container for the resources associated with a tab, where each tab is contained in a tablist."
  139. # [19:38] <eeejay> davidb, yeah. i was going with region..
  140. # [19:39] <@davidb> yeah
  141. # [19:39] <eeejay> davidb, but is it kosher to use setsize/posinset?
  142. # [19:39] <@davidb> you mean explcitly
  143. # [19:39] <eeejay> yeah
  144. # [19:39] <@davidb> it isn't a universal attribute
  145. # [19:40] <eeejay> right.. but it works in gecko
  146. # [19:40] <@davidb> i see
  147. # [19:40] <@davidb> well i don't think we'll get around to making things not work.
  148. # [19:40] <eeejay> i don't see any clear practices for say implementing an ereader in aria
  149. # [19:40] <@davidb> very good point
  150. # [19:40] <@davidb> i bet rich has looked at this
  151. # [19:41] <eeejay> i'm going to shoot him a mail
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  158. # [20:37] <@firebot> jwei@mozilla.com changed the Assignee on bug 957610 from nobody@mozilla.org to jwei@mozilla.com.
  159. # [20:37] <@firebot> Bug https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=957610 nor, --, ---, jwei, NEW, NODE_CHILD_OF/NODE_PARENT_OF relations are not always symmetrical
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